Mario Wanted Jv-kubica Shoot Out

[Chris Strange 0]

Initaially I thought MT was a b... but on second thought he took the best decision and got rid of one of the most pathetic driver on the grid. Thanks Mario... good job.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Well lets not count our chickens, I thought JV was gone for good when BAR booted him out, but he still found his way back!! By the way where is nojvnof1 lately? Hopefully not in a state of depression!

[a fan 0]

Initaially I thought MT was a b... but on second thought he took the best decision and got rid of one of the most pathetic driver on the grid. Thanks Mario... good job.

this is one of the most pathetic comments yet.would you kindly explain to the readers just how jv is one of the most pathetic drivers on the grid.he was driving equally as well as nh,and proved that he was continuing to improve in testing,qualifying,and races. he was an asset to bmw,and f1.he certainly had more personality than the company buttkissers existing on the grid at this time.

[Blitzkrieg 0]

I was suggesting people show him respect for being a World Champion, not for his comments. Blitz, are you so pro-German that you can't show respect for that? The guy accomplished something that hundreds of drivers never have and never will. He achieved the top status in this 'sport' we all watch and enjoy and if you value the WDC crown as the 'top status' in F1, then you should value all the men who have taken that crown.

First of all, in any sport - it's not about what you know, it's about WHO you know. In the end, his beliefs didn't help at all, he ended up getting kicked out from F1. There's just some people you can't respect and he is one of them. Just because luck favoured him in a couple of years and he got the perfect car, just entirely the perfect package and somehow he wins a Championship with that fortune, so I have to respect him? Just because some guy got lucky enough to win a championship - I should respect him? I prefer spending more time on a guy who worked hard as hell on a car that didn't function that well and still fought till the very end. That is all Im trying to say. This guy is plain useless, he said he would bring alot of developments into BMW and hoped for a great future, he and the team ended up no where. I think the team is far better without him. He has no skills, no personality - the only thing he is fit for is making bad comments about someone far superior then him. And I dont believe in that nonsense: that he stood up for his beliefs, he actually got kicked out for talking too much.

[Autumnpuma 0]

Your analogy is unrealistic.

No, my expectation of somebody understanding the logic of it was unrealistic...ah well...

[cavallino 2]

Ouch...I'm certainly not going to argue with that point...well done

You are deliberately not seeing the point, here, you know.......No doubt he felt a bit betrayed by a team that apparently thought so little of his skills and speed that they needed to measure him against a rookie, after he had been measuring himself agains Nick all season and had the better of the German on a few occasions. The insult is obvious.

Suppose you, Cav, as a software designer, had won awards for past designs and was highly regarded in your company. Then you went for a period of years not winning any awards. Are you any less intelligent? Now suppose the company owner said that you would be in a contest of sorts to design a bit of software better than a green new-hire just out of University. You certainly could do such a thing, but the trust between you and your company would be soured. You would know your company didn't value you anymore and I ask you, what would you do? I have enough pride that I would quit and find another job. Work is meaningless if you aren't valued at it.

No your analogy was completely unrealistic. In fact in the software industry, you have to keep moving and learning, the pace of progress is far higher than many others - being wonderful 10 years ago would be irrelevant. In any case we're talking of sportsperson here, I know you wouldn't follow football, but senior renowned players are routinely sacked from national and club teams, and ignomiously replaced by younger players, senior players, gos in the eyes of fans are substituted if they are not performing, if htey are getting older. BMW is not a charity run according to JV's whims, if he can't prove himself he is welcome to leave.

[Fer 0]

How would he be humiliated if he beat Kubeetza?

Do you have a job? Does your boss know your capabilities? If my boss threw me in a competetion against a rookie that we both knew I would win I'd tell him to go screw himself too! Jacques doesn't need the money man.

Rather what MT wanted to hear. The door was open, it was always open. JV can slam it to try and make a point, though I am not sure what exactly is the point he made.

If you've read my previous posts I indicate that suggesting a shootout is on the first page of the team principle handbook for getting JV to quit your team so you don't have to fire him yourself. Jacques did not slam any doors or throw any hissy fits-he just said no thanks and left-perhaps he had a few choice words for MT for being such an a##.

He beat him. Fair and square.

Jv outqualified NH 7-5 and had a couple of engine changes that sent him to the back of the grid whereas Nick didn't suffer the same bad luck. They each had the upper hand at times. To ignore the events of the season and put performance exclusively down to points is short sighted.

Beat him over the season. Fair and square.

After Sauber let JV use his own set up from race four onwards their wasn't a lot between them.

Why on earth do JV fans continue to make this ridiculous assertion, in the year that Fisichella resigned for a top team, Coulthard saw off a youngster to retain his drive in an improving team, Michael has had an open contract to sign, Rubens is contracted till 2007 at least, yet JV goes out and somehow it's a case of experienced drivers being let off in favour of rookies??

Fisichella's time is up soon too. Coulthard beat who? Michael is Michael (special) and Rubens is under contract. Rubens also has support from deFerran-do you think BAR would organize a shootout with six races left between Rubens and a 21 year old BAR tester and not guarantee Rubens his seat for the rest of the season while deFerran is there? Also, none of these teams inherited contracts-they all went out and signed these drivers so they want these drivers to succeed (that's an important contrast to the JV situation).

Did I mention Pedro De La Rosa?

He's always been a decent driver. He's obviously in the right place at the right time-who else were they going to put in the car? I don't think we'll be see him partnering Alonso next year.

JV has little interest in team building or team loyalty. Works both ways.

And what is your basis for this assertion. He tried to build something at BAR basically sacrificing his career trying to make that outfit a success. He had offers from Renault and Mclaren during his tenure at BAR but he chose to stay on, perhaps against better judgement to try to build a winner out of BAR. I'd say that is team loyalty way above the norm in F1. Jenson Button being the other extreme-no loyalty whatsoever. Also, while at BMW, he publicly stated that he is committed to helping BMW improve and that was his goal while there. MT not once complained about JV's committment level-in fact MT actually praised JV's efforts on at least one occasion.

[dribbler 6]

No, my expectation of somebody understanding the logic of it was unrealistic...ah well...

Come on, that's a little unfair. I have demonstrated that i see the point you are making, i just don't agree with it, that's all. All i was saying is that if you want to create a sound argument for demonstrating the reality of the situation maybe it would be better to create a more realistic analogy.

Tell me who you think would have won a shoot out?

[Schumikonen 2]

Perhaps, I

[Autumnpuma 0]

Come on, that's a little unfair. I have demonstrated that i see the point you are making, i just don't agree with it, that's all. All i was saying is that if you want to create a sound argument for demonstrating the reality of the situation maybe it would be better to create a more realistic analogy.

Tell me who you think would have won a shoot out?

Nah, drib, that wasn't really aimed at you....sorry for that. If my analogy wasn't realistic, then it wasn't realistic. The point I was trying to convey is what really matters.

I think JV would have won the shoot out. Do I think JV would have scored as high as Kubica did in Monza? I'm not sure...and that bit of uncertainty probably means Kubica was the better signing.

My point wasn't that BMW should have retained JV (even though I think they should have, despite Kubica's Monza form), but rather my point was that JV should not have been treated like a rookie. Mario should have said 'yes, you stay' or 'no, we are letting you go'. The shoot-out was pure b@stardness, in my opinion.

Respect is defined differently these days, I suppose, than how I was raised to define it.

[stopkidding 0]

My point wasn't that BMW should have retained JV (even though I think they should have, despite Kubica's Monza form), but rather my point was that JV should not have been treated like a rookie. Mario should have said 'yes, you stay' or 'no, we are letting you go'. The shoot-out was pure b@stardness, in my opinion.

Good at least ONE person gets it. Thats good enough for me....

[dribbler 6]

My point wasn't that BMW should have retained JV (even though I think they should have, despite Kubica's Monza form), but rather my point was that JV should not have been treated like a rookie. Mario should have said 'yes, you stay' or 'no, we are letting you go'. The shoot-out was pure b@stardness, in my opinion.

And i agree with that, quite honestly (as Michael would say!).

[Fer 0]

Mario should have said 'yes, you stay' or 'no, we are letting you go'.

I think this is all JV was asking for. What did MT find so hard about that?

[Chris Strange 0]

this is one of the most pathetic comments yet.would you kindly explain to the readers just how jv is one of the most pathetic drivers on the grid.he was driving equally as well as nh,and proved that he was continuing to improve in testing,qualifying,and races. he was an asset to bmw,and f1.he certainly had more personality than the company buttkissers existing on the grid at this time.

Quite easy really, I think I already posted it. Jv's problem was that his ego was ten times (and I'm cool) bigger than his talent. But as you kindly request me to explain here we go...

Pathetic his move to BAR for the money ant the consequent years

Pathetic when he was fired from BAR HONDA

Pathetic the way he struggled with his team-mates

Pathetic his return to Renault

Pathetic his year at Sauber. Asked mid-season if JV signing was a bad idea Peter Sauber answered in his diplomatic way let's say it wasn't a good one.

Pathetic the way he clung to his contract knowing Theissen and therefore BMW didn't want him

Pathetic the way he exited F1

So tha't make a lot of (pathetism) in my opinion.

And fortunately for you my friend I won't comment on his musical career.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

But on the other hand not pathetic in 1996 and 1997 and 1998??

[milaszewski 0]

What's the point? Good manager always wants to select better workers (this case - drivers). In Formula 1 there is no place for STAR behavior like JV does. If he was modest he would do whatever Mario Thiessen have said.

That only proved that he doesn't truly loved F1. He just wanted to be in the spotlight, to be important. It doesn't matter where - F1 or showbusiness. That's why he did a try in showbiz.

[a fan 0]

Quite easy really, I think I already posted it. Jv's problem was that his ego was ten times (and I'm cool) bigger than his talent. But as you kindly request me to explain here we go...

Pathetic his move to BAR for the money ant the consequent years

Pathetic when he was fired from BAR HONDA

Pathetic the way he struggled with his team-mates

Pathetic his return to Renault

Pathetic his year at Sauber. Asked mid-season if JV signing was a bad idea Peter Sauber answered in his diplomatic way let's say it wasn't a good one.

Pathetic the way he clung to his contract knowing Theissen and therefore BMW didn't want him

Pathetic the way he exited F1

So tha't make a lot of (pathetism) in my opinion.

And fortunately for you my friend I won't comment on his musical career.

pathetic is the drive he had,pathetic is the person who fired him,and he has a bigger ego than anyone,pathetic is that he had alot to offer the up and coming eg:jb,pathetic is to think that someone can just climb into an f1 car after a year off and expect the world,pathetic is the statement was taken out of context,pahetic is that it was an iron clad contract and bmw had the option to buy it out,and pathetic to think that nh would not also have to be part of the shootout as jv was equal in every sense to nh.pathetic is the reasons you have offered.on his musical career,i have not heard it sorry,but i'll accept your opinion.thanks for listening

[cavallino 2]

Mario should have said 'yes, you stay' or 'no, we are letting you go'.

They said the latter ages ago, JV never seemed to get the message. I think JV misheard Thiessen:

Mario and Kubeetza talking in a room:

Mario: Robert I think you are the most wonderful thing since sliced bread, I would love to put you in the car, if it wasn't for JV.

Robert: Hmm maybe we could arrange to have him killed in a shootout....

(The door slams open and a short scruffy balding fellow in oversized soiled overalls walks in)

JV: (for 'tis he) A shootout? You want me to have a shootout with him? F#$% you, I'm quitting.

(slams the door and walks out)

Mario: F$%king hell, why didn't we think of that before.

[Schumikonen 2]

I have never, ever seen such drivel.

If you are going keep talking about Ferrari, and nothing but Ferrari, could you at least try to keep your feet on the ground instead of constantly treating us to something that is so far from the truth it hurts?

I think that now you will tell to the press to keep their feet on the ground because their are saying just what I said before, I think that this is what some of you call facts. Here is what the press is saying about Michael Schumacher, When you finish this (pay special antencion to the part in bold) go back and read what I posted and tell me if I was right or not.

The Italian press was full of glowing tributes to Michael Schumacher on Monday after Formula One's most successful driver announced his retirement.

The Ferrari star confirmed what everyone had expected just moments after winning Sunday's Italian Grand Prix at Monza, a victory which keeps him firmly in contention for an eighth world drivers' title.

He will finally hang up his helmet and overalls at the end of the season but according to press reports could remain with Ferrari as an assistant to team chief Jean Todt.

Schumacher has not always been a favourite of the Italian media because of his apparent icy exterior, his poor command of the language, and for a series of unsporting gestures on the track. But they could not escape the fact that he has turned Ferrari from a once average team into world-beaters.

"Danke Schumi", headlined La Gazzetta dello Sport above a picture of the 37-year-old German punching the air in delight after claiming his 90th Grand Prix victory which reduced Fernando Alonso's lead to just two points with three races left.

"The exit of a phenomenon. Schumacher is a controversial legend and will be discussed for many years."

"His career is sprinkled with trips and falls, but there isn't a champion as complete as him."

"How important is it that he doesn't speak Italian? All he was obliged to do was win, and he did that. He took Ferrari by the hand and gifted them with years of success."

"The best of them all," wrote the Corriere dello Sport. "We will miss you, Michael.

We miss you already, even if there are three races left, three races that will decide the world championship."

"There's nobody like him. He restored the Ferrari myth that had been lost."

"King Michael's farewell," wrote La Repubblica after Schumacher's fifth career win at Monza.

"Ten years at Ferrari with loads of victories and records. Ten years that certainly changed the life of Michael Schumacher, but 10 years that also changed our lives."

"There's nobody like him," wrote Il Messagero.

"15 years of Formula One and always at the top. 90 victories, seven world titles and it's not over yet."

La Gazzetta delighted in seeing Schumacher show some emotion, having often been described as robotic by the Italian press.

"He didn't cry, but he wasn't far from tears," it said. "Every athlete has to think about that inevitable moment when it's time to retire, and he announced it to the world on a microphone."

"It was in that moment, in which a man comes to terms with his inner self, that Michael Schumacher was almost lost for words."

Source AFP

[Schumikonen 2]

Another one who say that he was the one in charge to develop the car and taking the team to the highest point, he did it with Benetton and he did with Ferrari, so I think I had my feet on the ground all the time, don't you? Rad below what F1racing.net have for you.

No one will have missed the news that Michael Schumacher announced his retirement on Sunday. At Ferrari the team will miss the seven times world champion. Not only during the race weekends but probably even more in the winter when the team prepares for 2007.

"It will become a very difficult winter for us ," Ferrari's race manager Nigel Stepney told Gazetta dello Sport. "Pre-season testing will be difficult for us, because we will have to build on our confidence with Kimi (Raikkonen)."

Schumacher has always been rated very high for his development skills. The Italian team will now have to find out if Raikkonen is not only an incredible fast driver, but also a driver that can develop the car with the team.