Hungarian Gp Qualifying

[Jean Todt 4]

Very naughty tactics from Lewis to not own up and admit it was a incident of his own making. Poor.

Yep! Very naught tatics! I wouldnt be furious if he was punished for it. From what I see, I think he is turning against the team that really built him. Which is not good. I think he is getting ill advice. Very bad!

[Sato 0]

Don't expect one from Fed Up, he'll still try and prove Alonso was wrong.

I present exhibit A.

This is a mess

It still seems a deliberate act to me regardless of what Ron says. I accept that Nando was not explicitly to blame, but it still remains that he held station for a period sufficient to prevent Lewis from getting a final quali lap in. Perhaps the team punished Lewis for his disobedience by robbing him of the chance for Poll. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it was Nando's 'team' that took the decision to hold Lewis up.

This seems like politics to me and has no place in F1.

[Kay 0]

This is a mess

It still seems a deliberate act to me regardless of what Ron says. I accept that Nando was not explicitly to blame, but it still remains that he held station for a period sufficient to prevent Lewis from getting a final quali lap in. Perhaps the team punished Lewis for his disobedience by robbing him of the chance for Poll. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it was Nando's 'team' that took the decision to hold Lewis up.

This seems like politics to me and has no place in F1.

Oh dear me.

It's clear he was held to avoid traffic. Why punish Alonso by releasing him into traffic because Lewis was disobedient? Lewis already had provisional pole, so it was Alonso that was 'more' in danger anyway. It wasn't anything to do with Alonso. It would have looked VERY bad for Mclaren if they'd released him into traffic ruining his lap just so Hamilton could get a lap after messing up with their strategy.

Why can't you just eat some humble pie and accept that you made an assumption that turned out to be wrong? Otherwise no more criticising other drivers when they don't own up to their mistakes, 'cos that's just double standards.

[Fed up 0]

I present exhibit A.

I dont accept Ron's explanation for what I saw with my own eyes. Ron is putting a spin on this whole episode and is trying his best to fight the numerous fires raging within his team. Lewis was wrong or so Ron says - Why no explanation or counter argument from the Lewis camp. Lewis does not appear to me to be one that disobeys instructions without a reason of his own.

I am convinced there is a serious problem within that team and Nando fans are right in blaming Ron.

[Jean Todt 4]

Fernando and Lewis supporters are even on that.

I try to be objective, one day I will be.

I have a reason to support my three favourite drivers in F1 scene.

1. Kimi. He came from a very difficult background. His parents never had enough money to even build a toilet inside the house.

His dad had to work three shifts to make sure he earned enough money to support his kids for racing events. Right from the start of his career he seemed to drive anything fast that had wheels on it, and he seem to be the class of the field regardless of what the condition of his car can be.

2. Lewis. He came from a very difficult background. His parents did have decent toilets inside the house. His family had to keep changing works or jobs to ensure their son could race. During racing events he was taken to tracks in a rusty car while the competition enjoyed posh motor homes. May not be blinding like Kimi, but He never gives up. Humble when compared to many drivers who have not achieved even a fraction of success he enjoys.

3 Narain. He came from a very wealthy background, but bent his society and family traditions for not choosing business as career. Instead he went after racing, though not consistent, he is really talented. He has made life easier for another Indian with his caliber to join F1, just like Sato did for his country man. But there is no one better than him in this country of nearly two billion!

All these three beat the odds to make it into F1 when compared to many other drivers.

[AleHop 0]

This seems like politics to me and has no place in F1.

Ok, but if that's politics it should be politics when Hamilton got one extra lap at Silverstone.

[Sato 0]

I dont accept Ron's explanation for what I saw with my own eyes. Ron is putting a spin on this whole episode and is trying his best to fight the numerous fires raging within his team. Lewis was wrong or so Ron says - Why no explanation or counter argument from the Lewis camp. Lewis does not appear to me to be one that disobeys instructions without a reason of his own.

I am convinced there is a serious problem within that team and Nando fans are right in blaming Ron.

Yeah Hamilton screaming at his engineer and RD at Monaco, and he doesn't seem the type to disobey orders? He has a history of it already, how about admitting you're wrong for once?

[Fed up 0]

Oh dear me.

It's clear he was held to avoid traffic. Why punish Alonso by releasing him into traffic because Lewis was disobedient? Lewis already had provisional pole, so it was Alonso that was 'more' in danger anyway. It wasn't anything to do with Alonso. It would have looked VERY bad for Mclaren if they'd released him into traffic ruining his lap just so Hamilton could get a lap after messing up with their strategy.

Why can't you just eat some humble pie and accept that you made an assumption that turned out to be wrong? Otherwise no more criticising other drivers when they don't own up to their mistakes, 'cos that's just double standards.

I'll reserve judgment until I have heard a balanced argument. At the moment Ron appears to have laid the blame squarely on Lewis' shoulders and so I'll accept that for now - That does not, however, detract from what I saw with my own eyes. Ted Kravitz is very sharp and would surely have picked up that Lewis had disobeyed an instruction 6 times over a 15 minute quali session.

[Sato 0]

Kravitz doesn't have a clue when it comes to anything. He is slow to react ALL the time. I think Ron Dennis, the boss o f the team who sits on the pitwall listening to the radio, would have a much bigger clue as to what is going on. RD clearly loves Hamilton, so why would he falsely blame him? That may just be the stupidest thing I've heard on here this week.

[Quiet One 15]

I dont accept Ron's explanation for what I saw with my own eyes. Ron is putting a spin on this whole episode and is trying his best to fight the numerous fires raging within his team. Lewis was wrong or so Ron says - Why no explanation or counter argument from the Lewis camp. Lewis does not appear to me to be one that disobeys instructions without a reason of his own.

I am convinced there is a serious problem within that team and Nando fans are right in blaming Ron.

But of course!!!

Ron decided to make up a story to protect his beloved Alonso and making that despicable Lewis,which he can't stand, to look like a bad boy! Now that makes a lot od sense!

Mr.Fed, you got the wrong impression. If it makes you feel better, we all got the wrong impression. I also bought Hammy's wide-eyed innocent look. But this time he was wrong and Alonso was right. There is no problem with that as he was right in the past and Nando was the one who was wrong. These things happen!

Well, as an aftermath of all this farce, all I can say is: whether I like it or not some shady tactics used by both Lewis and Nando, the truth is that they both are giving us the best fight we have seen in ages, none of them taking any prisoners. Just to show you that even in a one team dominated season, things can be interesting.

I bet throughout the season, most of us Alonso and Hammy fans will get mad at one moment or another, but for all those blessed with no bias for one or another, enjoy!

[Fed up 0]

Kravitz doesn't have a clue when it comes to anything. He is slow to react ALL the time. I think Ron Dennis, the boss o f the team who sits on the pitwall listening to the radio, would have a much bigger clue as to what is going on. RD clearly loves Hamilton, so why would he falsely blame him? That may just be the stupidest thing I've heard on here this week.

You're not getting my point - I dont refute that Lewis was to blame for the whole episode. What was clear to me and the entire F1 community was that Alonso held station despite being waved on by the lolipop man - I dont buy the line about having to avoid traffic as the lolipop was in place the last time he was held to avoid traffic.

If you look behind the spin Ron has no choice but to narrate the story in this way - Afterall, Alonso was under investigation by the stewards and could have suffered the same sanction handed out to MS at Monaco - Such a sanction would only hurt the team, so why upset the apple cart when both your drivers are on the front row.

Regardless of what Ron says I prefer to rely on my instinct and first impressions.

[freaky2 1]

But of course!!!

Ron decided to make up a story to protect his beloved Alonso and making that despicable Lewis,which he can't stand, to look like a bad boy! Now that makes a lot od sense!

Mr.Fed, you got the wrong impression. If it makes you feel better, we all got the wrong impression. I also bought Hammy's wide-eyed innocent look. But this time he was wrong and Alonso was right. There is no problem with that as he was right in the past and Nando was the one who was wrong. These things happen!

Well, as an aftermath of all this farce, all I can say is: whether I like it or not some shady tactics used by both Lewis and Nando, the truth is that they both are giving us the best fight we have seen in ages, none of them taking any prisoners. Just to show you that even in a one team dominated season, things can be interesting.

I bet throughout the season, most of us Alonso and Hammy fans will get mad at one moment or another, but for all those blessed with no bias for one or another, enjoy!

Ron might, just might, have decided to make it look as though his team was treating both drivers equally, and decided to blame Hamilton on this. I don't have a clue as to that anyway, but for the way he looked after Q3. But if what he says is the truth, all the better

And yes, I'm enjoying the fight, really. I'd just like the Ferraris to be in it. *sigh*

[Sato 0]

You're not getting my point - I dont refute that Lewis was to blame for the whole episode. What was clear to me and the entire F1 community was that Alonso held station despite being waved on by the lolipop man - I dont buy the line about having to avoid traffic as the lolipop was in place the last time he was held to avoid traffic.

If you look behind the spin Ron has no choice but to narrate the story in this way - Afterall, Alonso was under investigation by the stewards and could have suffered the same sanction handed out to MS at Monaco - Such a sanction would only hurt the team, so why upset the apple cart when both your drivers are on the front row.

Regardless of what Ron says I prefer to rely on my instinct and first impressions.

The engineer was counting him down... What is so hard to understand? The lollipop went up because the idiot was busy wanting to serve god, but the radio told Alonso to wait.

[Fed up 0]

The engineer was counting him down... What is so hard to understand? The lollipop went up because the idiot was busy wanting to serve god, but the radio told Alonso to wait.

If this was so clear cut why did the Stewards initiate an investigation It would be interesting to see if the Stewards will still investigate the incident and listen to the team radio -

[Sato 0]

If this was so clear cut why did the Stewards initiate an investigation It would be interesting to see if the Stewards will still investigate the incident and listen to the team radio -

Have you noticed how no penalty has come out of it? What does that tell us? If there was nothing on radio to comply with this, they'd be penalised by now.

[Quiet One 15]

Ron might, just might, have decided to make it look as though his team was treating both drivers equally, and decided to blame Hamilton on this. I don't have a clue as to that anyway, but for the way he looked after Q3. But if what he says is the truth, all the better

And yes, I'm enjoying the fight, really. I'd just like the Ferraris to be in it. *sigh*

Ron is capable of doing things to show he is not biased towards any of the drivers. But not even him would spin this story with all the uproar it caused just to keep Alonso happy, if not for another cause, because Hammy's father would rip Dennis left arm off and then beat him to death with it just for trying.

[Fed up 0]

Have you noticed how no penalty has come out of it? What does that tell us? If there was nothing on radio to comply with this, they'd be penalised by now.

Unless Ron's comments were designed to deflect the Steward's attention. If the stewards investigated the incident, listened to the Radio and absolved Nando of any blame - I will accept that Lewis was 100% to blame and Nando was actually following team orders. If, however, the Investigation was aborted my suspicions remain.

[Fed up 0]

The plot thickens

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61369

[AleHop 0]

The engineer was counting him down... What is so hard to understand? The lollipop went up because the idiot was busy wanting to serve god, but the radio told Alonso to wait.

The big big big problem here is that Alonso's got the pole.

If you can watch McLaren press conference in the evening it was really really funny.

FA: I did what I have done in the previous 10 GPs.

LH: Yes but you didn't have your team mate behind.

Cry baby cry... If you expect FA to take care of your business one day you'll wake up and it could be too late.

[Sato 0]

The plot thickens

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61369

Was about to post that myself. Good to see Hamilton admit that he disobeyed team orders to do whats best for him, despite it screwing Alonso over. Funny to see him then complain that he thinks Alonso screwed him over to do what's best for him.... Hypocrite anyone?

Hamilton = Tool.

[UrKo 0]

Interesting reading. i dont really know who to believe to be honest. imho LH, FA & McRon are to blame in this case.

[Ducado 0]

Was about to post that myself. Good to see Hamilton admit that he disobeyed team orders to do whats best for him, despite it screwing Alonso over. Funny to see him then complain that he thinks Alonso screwed him over to do what's best for him.... Hypocrite anyone?

Hamilton = Tool.

Alonso is a crook - FIRE HIM

[UrKo 0]

Was about to post that myself. Good to see Hamilton admit that he disobeyed team orders to do whats best for him, despite it screwing Alonso over. Funny to see him then complain that he thinks Alonso screwed him over to do what's best for him.... Hypocrite anyone?

Hamilton = Tool.

perhaps

[Fwwwrrr 0]

FIA discards sanctioning Alonso.

Again the Spanish press has been the first to report.

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/motor/f...lo/1023669.html

[Fed up 0]

This is my take on the whole episode

- Lewis is ordered to let Nando past during the fuel burn stage so that Alonso can get an extra lap in - Lewis disobeys this order for fear that he may lose a place to Kimi (poor excuse)

- Nando is fizzing at the apparent unfairness of Lewis' actions and collaborates with his team to ensure that Lewis misses out on a final qualifying lap and effectively yields the owed lap in the pits.

Whilst Lewis was ultimately to blame this does not detract from the fact that Nando deliberately held Lewis up during those vital seconds at the end of quali.

Is Nando a dirty cheat? Yes as he shouldn't have taken matters into his own hands and dealt with the errant Lewis when the through the team not on his own.

Both drivers have not covered themselves in glory today, but Alonso's move was worse in my eyes.