Schumi Back In The Saddle Again

[Rainmaster 7]

You two are confusing even me now and I wrote the fecking posts

What I meant was very simple: Schumacher and Kimi are of roughly equal talent. Schumacher works harder, and so was more successful. Kimi won 1 title, but "he's good Brad, just not that good" was a reference to the fact that he couldn't win 7 titles with such an attitude.

And now Brad has edited that quote out of his post, bollock me this will be confusing

[pabloh20 1]

You two are confusing even me now and I wrote the fecking posts

What I meant was very simple: Schumacher and Kimi are of roughly equal talent. Schumacher works harder, and so was more successful. Kimi won 1 title, but "he's good Brad, just not that good" was a reference to the fact that he couldn't win 7 titles with such an attitude.

And now Brad has edited that quote out of his post, bollock me this will be confusing

I don't think the confusement had anything to do with Brad's editing

[pabloh20 1]

Ah well, you can claim I'm wrong but if you don't know either then it's all bollocky bollocks isn't it? Trust me, this will go quicker and less painful if you 1) agree with me or 2) accept either explanation might be true!

I don't have to take anything at face value just because I don't know it's not true, that doesn't sound like a smart way of living to me! Better to question these things, and we get these fun debates like these, which are so much fun. Besides, everybody knows when it comes to a liar liar pants on fire like Schumacher you have to be on your guard - if you left him alone with your granny he would probably try to force her off the track or something like that. The cheeky devil.

As for the RoC, well I see your point (nice piercing, btw) but I can't agree that competing in a one off event for fun is really anything like competing over a full season of F1 - that's sounds like bollocky bollocks on your part to me Also, the mere hiring of Kimi for such money would have been a strong indication to Schumi that the days of it being "his" team were probably over.

Yep, I think he would have done that too and that's the way it would have gone down. Shame we'll never know, thanks Michael

Mmm that would only work if he won a similar amount of titles or had as much success as Schumi. He's good Brad, just not that good

I think Mika was a fierce competitor too, but out of the c#ckpit it did seem to get to him so I think in that regard it was a weakness (although not a real weakness because it didn't affect his driving). I think Alonso and Hammy are pretty strong competitors though, it would've been fun to see more battles between Schumi and them.

As for Kimi, yeah I agree actually, he's done alright for himself with his attitude

As far as I am concerned there's nothing wrong with bollocky bollocks. It's true it doesn't compare to complete bollocks, but it's no disgrace having to concede 2nd best to complete bollocks.

Anyway regarding hiring Kimi for such money - wasn't Schumi on more, though?

[YHR 0]

Is it just me. Allowing MS to test is breaking the rules isn't it??? They never let the Rookie at Torro Rossi test last race???

I don't understand how come there are two sets of rules. I don't car what MS has done in the past, this sport should be bigger then that. MS comes back , and everyone roles over. Testing in a two year old Ferrari is fine in my books, but allowing him to test the 2009 is wrong. If they are going to do this they better drop the testing ban for all the teams. The new rookie would benefit from testing as well so they should let him. IF they don't this whole thing stinks. Preferential treatment should not be given to any driver or team.

[Medilloni 6]

There is no view. There is only hatred.

My mistake, I didn't know we had French members here.

[pabloh20 1]

Is it just me. Allowing MS to test is breaking the rules isn't it??? They never let the Rookie at Torro Rossi test last race???

I don't understand how come there are two sets of rules. I don't car what MS has done in the past, this sport should be bigger then that. MS comes back , and everyone roles over. Testing in a two year old Ferrari is fine in my books, but allowing him to test the 2009 is wrong. If they are going to do this they better drop the testing ban for all the teams. The new rookie would benefit from testing as well so they should let him. IF they don't this whole thing stinks. Preferential treatment should bot be given to any driver or team.

No, only testing the 2009 car would be breaking the rules and they are not going to let him test that.

[YHR 0]

Are you sure. I read they were going to let him test the 2009 car.

[Quiet One 15]

Are you sure. I read they were going to let him test the 2009 car.

No, he is testing a 2007 car. Although it looks like a 2008 spec rear wing to me.

Anyways, he can only test for parking purposes.

[LabradoRacer 2]

I don't think the confusement had anything to do with Brad's editing

You & Dubya went to the same school?

Well, talk about Schu's level of dedication!! Already tested the '07 car today, & all set to test the '09 car tomorrow!

[YHR 0]

I know he is testing the 2007 car, but the press is reporting the Ferrari has requested that he be allowed ot test the 2009 car. If they do this it would be wrong.

[LabradoRacer 2]

No, he is testing a 2007 car. Although it looks like a 2008 spec rear wing to me.

Anyways, he can only test for parking purposes.

Yeah, you're right in a way. He's practising to park his car stylishly on the parc freme, post-victory. So there.

[LabradoRacer 2]

If we have to go by what you say here, then it means that Kimi is more talented than Schumie, because he does'nt require the application and the long hours (the hard work) that Schumie need to be the fastest.

In my opinion, sportspersons who just go by on talent without any hard work whatsoever, tend to be buffoons. McEnroe, Maradona to name just 2.

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4]

IF they don't this whole thing stinks. Preferential treatment should not be given to any driver or team.

:D

Because of course we all know how objective, fair and honest F1 and the FIA really are

[Quiet One 15]

Yeah, you're right in a way. He's practising to park his car stylishly on the parc freme, post-victory. So there.

It might seem as if I'm laughing at your face. But I'm not.

Anyways, it is possible that they let MS test a 2009 car. Rules for him were always..."special"

(Ahh that tingling in my fingertips when I get to bash him again! Oh joy!)

[LabradoRacer 2]

FOTA is cool beans with Schumi testing the '09 car. That settles the argument of the legitimacy.

[LabradoRacer 2]

Without taking anything away from Schu's skills (as if that's possible!), what if not allowing him to test the '09 car leads to some disastrous accident? I don't know much tech wise, but if the '09 car is a vastly different beast from what he drove last, he has a right to test it. Again, I say, FOTA has no problems in allowing him to do so. Do you think they don't care for rules?

[Argento Reloaded 1]

So then didn

[dribbler 6]

If I may say so, I think George and Paul, in particular are reading way too much into the reasons why Michael retired. Why does there have to be a secret underlying reason? The various rivalries between drivers and their respective apparent 'fears' of each other is on the whole media twoddle, invented to create the illusion of some clash of titans. I believe the reality to be quite different. Most of the drivers competing in F1 probably readily accept that their talents are pretty even. Michael in an average car was no match for say, Alonso in a good one. That doesn't suddenly make Fernando any better. Drivers do well when the whole package works and theat's what they accept. How often do we hear drivers bad mouthing each other?

Michael had privilages at Ferrari and worked with a team of talented people who just so happened to dominate for a long period of time. That's how Michael won. Yes, he knew how to go around a corner and yes, he put in an extra special effort level to help his success, but he was not and is not super human. It was a fortunate set of circumstances all coming together at the right time.

My understanding of his retirement decision was that he was finding it difficult to fully commit, body and mind to the considerable demands of an entire season. He was so in tune with his body that he knew he was past his best. Faced with that prospect, the Schumacher of '07 would not have been as good as the Schumacher of before. If you have achieved at the highest level for so long, it's not unreasnoble to make the decion to stop when you know this is no longer achievable. We are talking tiny detail here; he still would have been at least the equal of the current crop as it was back then but that probably was not enough for him.

So yes, I accept that he would have thought that Kimi and Fernando were as good, if not better than he was. Is that a 'fear' of them? No, I think that's a gracious bow out at exactly the correct time. That hasn't stopped his desire to compete and it's this that creates the preception that he had unfinished business. But let's face it, the odd motorcylce race, the ROC and go karting demand nothing like the commitment he felt necessary to devote to F1 in order to reign supreme.

If he was sitting on the sidelines, positively itching to get back into F1, he would not have undertaken his current commitments or allowed himself to get a little out of shape.

Let's not read too much into the situation. He's doing it because he can and because it's a favour to the team he loves. Being the equal of Kimi and raising a few eyebrows here and there will be a bonus. But there are no psychological wars to be won; Kimi really doesn't care and Michael has nothing to prove. No one is afraid.

[Rainmaster 7]

I don't think the confusement had anything to do with Brad's editing

If I wanted people to understand it, I would have explained it better

As far as I am concerned there's nothing wrong with bollocky bollocks. It's true it doesn't compare to complete bollocks, but it's no disgrace having to concede 2nd best to complete bollocks.

Anyway regarding hiring Kimi for such money - wasn't Schumi on more, though?

Not sure if he was on more but he would've been on similar or more I imagine, but that doesn't really make a difference. Ferrari weren't hiring Kimi for that money to be a No.2 driver, that much was obvious.

I know he is testing the 2007 car, but the press is reporting the Ferrari has requested that he be allowed ot test the 2009 car. If they do this it would be wrong.

They have asked the other teams for permission for Schumi to test the F60 so I think it's okay.

Because of course we all know how objective, fair and honest F1 and the FIA really are

Indeedies.

If I may say so, I think George and Paul, in particular are reading way too much into the reasons why Michael retired. Why does there have to be a secret underlying reason? The various rivalries between drivers and their respective apparent 'fears' of each other is on the whole media twoddle, invented to create the illusion of some clash of titans. I believe the reality to be quite different. Most of the drivers competing in F1 probably readily accept that their talents are pretty even. Michael in an average car was no match for say, Alonso in a good one. That doesn't suddenly make Fernando any better. Drivers do well when the whole package works and theat's what they accept. How often do we hear drivers bad mouthing each other?

Michael had privilages at Ferrari and worked with a team of talented people who just so happened to dominate for a long period of time. That's how Michael won. Yes, he knew how to go around a corner and yes, he put in an extra special effort level to help his success, but he was not and is not super human. It was a fortunate set of circumstances all coming together at the right time.

My understanding of his retirement decision was that he was finding it difficult to fully commit, body and mind to the considerable demands of an entire season. He was so in tune with his body that he knew he was past his best. Faced with that prospect, the Schumacher of '07 would not have been as good as the Schumacher of before. If you have achieved at the highest level for so long, it's not unreasnoble to make the decion to stop when you know this is no longer achievable. We are talking tiny detail here; he still would have been at least the equal of the current crop as it was back then but that probably was not enough for him.

So yes, I accept that he would have thought that Kimi and Fernando were as good, if not better than he was. Is that a 'fear' of them? No, I think that's a gracious bow out at exactly the correct time. That hasn't stopped his desire to compete and it's this that creates the preception that he had unfinished business. But let's face it, the odd motorcylce race, the ROC and go karting demand nothing like the commitment he felt necessary to devote to F1 in order to reign supreme.

If he was sitting on the sidelines, positively itching to get back into F1, he would not have undertaken his current commitments or allowed himself to get a little out of shape.

Let's not read too much into the situation. He's doing it because he can and because it's a favour to the team he loves. Being the equal of Kimi and raising a few eyebrows here and there will be a bonus. But there are no psychological wars to be won; Kimi really doesn't care and Michael has nothing to prove. No one is afraid.

Yep, I am only discussing it because there is nothing else to talk about, and I like to see who I can wind up around here (trying to fill Murray's absence from the forum maybe).

I think Schumacher retired at the right time too so the reasons are really irrelevant, ultimately he didn't have to prove anything else so he left.

[YHR 0]

So then didn´t allow a rookie teenage to test a car before its maiden GP and they could let MSC to test... fair! But regarding FIArrari everything is possible! And MSC needs to practice to how to hit other cars and all other dirty tricks.

Exactly my point. A teenage rookie is expected to come into F1 cold, and no one seems to have an issue. MS is the most successful driver ever. Why should he be allowed to test???? The only resason is so he can perform better on race day, and that my friend is unfair if they don't open it up for everybody!!!!!!!.

Whatever, we will see what the FIA decides. FOTA is OK with it, but they don't make this decsion, the FIA does.

IMHO they either open up testing for all the teams or tell Ferrari no. Even opening up testing is BS in my opinion. They are doing something special for someone that they wouldn't do for anyone else on the grid.

[Rainmaster 7]

Exactly my point. A teenage rookie is expected to come into F1 cold, and no one seems to have an issue. MS is the most successful driver ever. Why should he be allowed to test???? The only resason is so he can perform better on race day, and that my friend is unfair if they don't open it up for everybody!!!!!!!.

Whatever, we will see what the FIA decides. FOTA is OK with it, but they don't make this decsion, the FIA does.

IMHO they either open up testing for all the teams or tell Ferrari no. Even opening up testing is BS in my opinion. They are doing something special for someone that they wouldn't do for anyone else on the grid.

Mmm, valid points. I suppose the FIA won't mind him testing because it's in their interests that he comes back and does well, so that he spices the season up a bit.

Anyhow, I suppose there would be an argument that a 7 time world champ is allowed a few dispensations, especially if it's in the interests of the sport.

[YHR 0]

Mmm, valid points. I suppose the FIA won't mind him testing because it's in their interests that he comes back and does well, so that he spices the season up a bit.

Anyhow, I suppose there would be an argument that a 7 time world champ is allowed a few dispensations, especially if it's in the interests of the sport.

That is exactly why he doesn't need them. There really is only one right decsion on this. Why I would even contemplate the FIA making it, is beyond me,

[pabloh20 1]

You & Dubya went to the same school?

Well, talk about Schu's level of dedication!! Already tested the '07 car today, & all set to test the '09 car tomorrow!

Begging your interludity, but mine was intentment.

[pabloh20 1]

If I may say so, I think George and Paul, in particular are reading way too much into the reasons why Michael retired. Why does there have to be a secret underlying reason? The various rivalries between drivers and their respective apparent 'fears' of each other is on the whole media twoddle, invented to create the illusion of some clash of titans. I believe the reality to be quite different. Most of the drivers competing in F1 probably readily accept that their talents are pretty even. Michael in an average car was no match for say, Alonso in a good one. That doesn't suddenly make Fernando any better. Drivers do well when the whole package works and theat's what they accept. How often do we hear drivers bad mouthing each other?

Michael had privilages at Ferrari and worked with a team of talented people who just so happened to dominate for a long period of time. That's how Michael won. Yes, he knew how to go around a corner and yes, he put in an extra special effort level to help his success, but he was not and is not super human. It was a fortunate set of circumstances all coming together at the right time.

My understanding of his retirement decision was that he was finding it difficult to fully commit, body and mind to the considerable demands of an entire season. He was so in tune with his body that he knew he was past his best. Faced with that prospect, the Schumacher of '07 would not have been as good as the Schumacher of before. If you have achieved at the highest level for so long, it's not unreasnoble to make the decion to stop when you know this is no longer achievable. We are talking tiny detail here; he still would have been at least the equal of the current crop as it was back then but that probably was not enough for him.

So yes, I accept that he would have thought that Kimi and Fernando were as good, if not better than he was. Is that a 'fear' of them? No, I think that's a gracious bow out at exactly the correct time. That hasn't stopped his desire to compete and it's this that creates the preception that he had unfinished business. But let's face it, the odd motorcylce race, the ROC and go karting demand nothing like the commitment he felt necessary to devote to F1 in order to reign supreme.

If he was sitting on the sidelines, positively itching to get back into F1, he would not have undertaken his current commitments or allowed himself to get a little out of shape.

Let's not read too much into the situation. He's doing it because he can and because it's a favour to the team he loves. Being the equal of Kimi and raising a few eyebrows here and there will be a bonus. But there are no psychological wars to be won; Kimi really doesn't care and Michael has nothing to prove. No one is afraid.

Exsqueeze me, but I think you'll find that is pretty much what I said.............only much, much longer [whistling emoticon]

[pabloh20 1]

Exactly my point. A teenage rookie is expected to come into F1 cold, and no one seems to have an issue. MS is the most successful driver ever. Why should he be allowed to test???? The only resason is so he can perform better on race day, and that my friend is unfair if they don't open it up for everybody!!!!!!!.

Whatever, we will see what the FIA decides. FOTA is OK with it, but they don't make this decsion, the FIA does.

IMHO they either open up testing for all the teams or tell Ferrari no. Even opening up testing is BS in my opinion. They are doing something special for someone that they wouldn't do for anyone else on the grid.

Hadn't Alguersuari already done some testing in the car during the season though?

I agree they shouldn't let him test the 2009 car, but it looks as though even if he does, it will be for 1 day only.