98 replies to this topic

[AleHop]

BradSpeedMan, on 31 January 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

You get 10 points for breaking the dry "spell" here at TF1, but I unfortunately still can't realistically see Alonso win the championship again. That's a voodoo that will never end

When was the last time you visited the optometrist?

[Massa]

I can see Fernando Alonso winning another championship.  I can't see him doing it while the Ferrari chassis are still designed by Felipe Massa's crayon drawings.

On a related note, you would think that if Alonso truly gets everything he ever asks for like the Internet says he does, he would have asked for Stefano Domenicali to be replaced by now.  I'm not saying he's the only problem they have, but it's easier to fire the coach than fire all the players.  The only reasonable conclusion is that Santander didn't actually buy the team for Alonso to manipulate Massa's career for his own amusement Alonso has terrible management skills.

[BradSpeedMan]

Massa, on 31 January 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

On a related note, you would think that if Alonso truly gets everything he ever asks for like the Internet says he does, he would have asked for Stefano Domenicali to be replaced by now.

As long as he's there, I don't think Fernando will...

[AleHop]

Massa, on 31 January 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

I can see Fernando Alonso winning another championship.  I can't see him doing it while the Ferrari chassis are still designed by Felipe Massa's crayon drawings.

On a related note, you would think that if Alonso truly gets everything he ever asks for like the Internet says he does, he would have asked for Stefano Domenicali to be replaced by now.  I'm not saying he's the only problem they have, but it's easier to fire the coach than fire all the players.  The only reasonable conclusion is that Santander didn't actually buy the team for Alonso to manipulate Massa's career for his own amusement Alonso has terrible management skills.

I'm not as well informed about F2012 as I was the past two years but I've heard they have been working on the new car since June. They have taken a different approach for the design and they have been working together with aeronautical industry.

If that is true this season is a make it or break it. Well, I know it's not too different from previous years...

[Delta]

Vettel will win, McLaren will run him a lot closer, Lewis will have a far better season, and Ferrari will be close, but still not quite close enough. Alonso will annihilate Massa again and Massa will lose his Ferrari seat. Caterham, HRT, and Virgin will stuck. And Mercedes will promise a lot and deliver little.

In short, I don't think all that much will change, but I'm hopeful that Vettel won't dominate it, and I'm also hoping McLaren and Ferrari finally figure out how RBR make their front wing flex so that it stops all the bitching in that area.

[Insider]

Delta, on 02 February 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Vettel will win, McLaren will run him a lot closer, Lewis will have a far better season, and Ferrari will be close, but still not quite close enough. Alonso will annihilate Massa again and Massa will lose his Ferrari seat. Caterham, HRT, and Virgin will stuck. And Mercedes will promise a lot and deliver little.

In short, I don't think all that much will change, but I'm hopeful that Vettel won't dominate it, and I'm also hoping McLaren and Ferrari finally figure out how RBR make their front wing flex so that it stops all the bitching in that area.

There has been a massive silence from RBR of late and you can take that two ways. Either they have a real doozy under wraps and they are sandbagging or Newey is struggling and waiting to see some of the others cars before he jumps. I doubt the latter though I feel the playing field may have been levelled somewhat.  The Ferrari and Force India cars look like dumpsters.  The Caterham looks like, er........................a Caterham? The Macca looks immaculate but is it fast? If it is, they will run RBR to the wire.

[JHS18]

Here's some predictable predictions:

McLaren will struggle in pre-season testing and be forced to copy Red Bull/Ferrari or both before the first race.

Alonso will win the title fight, but it'll be a close fight between him, Vettel and Button again. Webber will win a few more races but retire, Hamilton will crash into Massa, Felipe will be the guy nobody remembers in the other Ferrari again until he wins in Canada, Rosberg will win his first race at Singapore, Schumacher will score his first podium since his come back.

Raikkonen will do okay but not great, Grosjean will be very equal to or sometimes beat his more illustrious team mate, causing Kimi fans to throw a predictable tantrum and blame the car.

Vergne will be the rookie of the season, but it'll be a close in house fight between him and Ricciardo at TR all season. Vergne will get promoted alongside Vettel for '13 (see, they have the same amount of letters in their name and they both start with "Ve", it is magic!) Sauber will be next, beating Lotus and Force India, despite Hulkenberg and Grosjean's best efforts.

HRT will have gone bust before the summer break, Trulli will be replaced mid season for Petrov and go and cry over his bottles of wine, Marussia will be nowhere and Glock will quit having grown fed up of three years of lies and bullsh*t. Williams will end up with a big repair bill after a season of crashes for overall nice guy Bruno Senna and Pastor Pasta Maldonado.

[BradSpeedMan]

Insider, on 03 February 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

There has been a massive silence from RBR of late and you can take that two ways. Either they have a real doozy under wraps and they are sandbagging or Newey is struggling and waiting to see some of the others cars before he jumps. I doubt the latter though I feel the playing field may have been levelled somewhat.  The Ferrari and Force India cars look like dumpsters.  The Caterham looks like, er........................a Caterham? The Macca looks immaculate but is it fast? If it is, they will run RBR to the wire.

very quiet. I hope Newey has been working on how to curb that stepped down front-nose montrosity. I just can't wait to see the car! Their silence is a good sign to me though...

[Massa]

Nico Hülkenberg will win 7 championships in 2012.

I've always considered him overrated, but I realize now that I am wrong.

Michael Schumacher got his big break when Bertrand Gachot lost his ride over legal troubles involving CS gas, which is close enough to champagne.  Now, Hülkenberg replaces Sutil, not under identical circumstances but certainly doubts over Sutil's status made him harder to employ.  It's meant to be, even more so if Sutil goes to IndyCar as he is considering, since Gachot, too, took that path for a time.

I told you, years ago, Lewis Hamilton would be the next Jacques Villeneuve.  Second as a rookie, champion second year, never heard from again, and sure enough, Lewis has taken an interest in having a music career.

Edited by Massa, 05 February 2012 - 10:02 PM.

[f1bettings]

I predict Vettel will win again but the other drivers will catch up and it will be more competitive.

The edge Vettel has is he is even more experienced and should still have one of the more consistent cars and the others need to catch up.

At least Hamilton should have a better season to improve things.

[Doohan]

Catterhan will score points with Kovi, truli will most likely lose his seat.
Maurussia will yet again run 2nd to last infront of a test driver HRT.
Sauber and williams will be trailing towards the back consistently being out of the points and fighting between themselves.
Torro rosso & Force India will be fighting for the ede of the points. Hulkenberg & Riciardo getting the better of their respective teammates.
Mercedes & lotus will round out the points consistently with Kimi and Nico leading the charge for both teams and a few surprising podiums and qualifying results.
Ferrari will be a comfortable 3rd with Alonso out shining Massa and getting more then should be possible out of the car.
Mclaren is a tough one. They'll hopefully bridge the gap to red bull even more and I'm expecting another stroller season from Button with Hamilton improving and battling for more wins.
Red Bull won't have the dominance of last year but I still see vettel getting those amazing pole laps to set up his races. Webber will get to grips with the car alot quicker and still be outshines but will consistently finish in the top 4.

Hopefully a far more exciting championship chase as the majority of races weren't boring just the championship title.

[BradSpeedMan]

Some really really interesting news don't you guys think??????? Is Mclaren in trouble??? Or is it that the rounds going around that Lotus is a serious contender may be valid, this of course from the early signs of testing...

"And when referring to his 1.19, Hamilton admitted that the lap was set while McLaren was being “aggressive”, implying that he was light on fuel. If so, the MP4-27 is at least a full second off Lotus’ Jerez pace."

http://www.totalf1.c...t_2012_McLaren/

Edited by BradSpeedMan, 16 February 2012 - 07:25 AM.

[HandyNZL]

Easy, Tiger.

Count to ten, and take a deep breath

I believe that the Macca front end is a pure evolution of the last few years, and what they lose in air-routing / downforce generation of a higher nose, they make up for with the wing thing between the front wing pylons.  More a case of "more than one way to skin a cat", than, "dammit Shirly, we took a wrong turn...again"

Also, whilst Hamilton might extract speed from a car, I think, IMHO, that he is more of a "drive around a problem" driver, than an "engineer out the problem" sort of driver...and Button is the opposite.

I'll go out on a limb here, and say Button is going to beat Hamilton again this season.

[Quiet One]

HandyNZL, on 16 February 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

Easy, Tiger.

Count to ten, and take a deep breath

I believe that the Macca front end is a pure evolution of the last few years, and what they lose in air-routing / downforce generation of a higher nose, they make up for with the wing thing between the front wing pylons.  More a case of "more than one way to skin a cat", than, "dammit Shirly, we took a wrong turn...again"

Also, whilst Hamilton might extract speed from a car, I think, IMHO, that he is more of a "drive around a problem" driver, than an "engineer out the problem" sort of driver...and Button is the opposite.

I'll go out on a limb here, and say Button is going to beat Hamilton again this season.

I tend to agree on most you say xcept the last part, and what is my main gripe against Button. Is not that I do not consider him a great driver (he obviously is and I am not that blind as not to notice) I even like Button's more aggressive personality of  late. But I still can't help to think that all that and Jenson's quality leap last year owes as much to Hamilton's dip as to his own skill. Actually, I think he owes more to Hamilton's dip than his own growth (again, IMHO). Much like Massa with Kimi (no, I don't think JB is like Massa, only the general situation is similar, JB is years light better than poor old Felipinho)

Still, I think JB needs to grow a lot more as to be able to shine for himself even against the best Lewis. And for the sport's sake I hope the best Lewis comes back. And, for me, the best Lewis is not the banzai overtaker of last year. We have other drivers capable of doing that. Saying that that was "entertaining" was a poor excuse for watching true talent being wasted.

If Lewis can/wants to set his mind on F1, then McLaren's car vs car struggle will be the best spectacle of the season, even if the car does not deliver as expected.

[Massa]

The irony that the thread gets stickied and as such I couldn't find it.

[Caesar]

i hope it will not be like this at the end (from F1Technical)

[Senna's Ghost]

Here's my predictions for the 2012 season, based on hope and no insight whatsoever.

Vettel will not win the WDC.  Winning it 3 times on the bounce is just greedy as well as being very, very difficult.  When Schumacher did his 5 on the bounce he had the whole team behind him and a team mate who was not allowed to race him, competition from the other teams at the time was not of a high standard (JPM & RS at Williams were more interested in beating each other than beating Ferrari, KR at McLaren often compromised by their race strategy which meant they qualified lower in the top 10).  That's not the case with Vettel, therefore the difficulty level is so much higher and you've got to hope that the other teams will close the gap to RBR.

Alonso will wiin the WDC.  He hasn't won since 2006 so its about time he won again.  It's a crazy prediction given the 1st winter testing session and the quotes from Pat Fry, but I think they will knuckle down and get on with the work to make the car better over the whole of the season and will take the drivers title.  I'm a bit worried about technical side of Ferrari but I'm going to stick with Alonso to win.

RBR will win the constructors but Webber will take wins from Seb as he did in 2010.

Surprise package will be Mercedes AMG.  They will solve the tyre munching problem over the winter and make a step forward.  Rosberg break his duck and will win more than 1 GP this season.  He'll be in the hunt for the championship but not be able to sustain it.

If all of the above is true it must mean that McLaren will fall back.  Button and Hamilton will take a win each but other than that it'll be slim pickings.  Hamilton will get dumped by Nicole again and that will send his form into a tailspin.  He will start writing to newspaper agony aunts for answers to his questions about relationships, Whitmarsh will get fed up with him.

STR will find out that their new drivers are no better than their old drivers.

Caterham will score a point or two this season.

Lotus will be similar to what they were last season.

Williams will struggle.

No one will watch the SKY coverage.

[BradSpeedMan]

Senna, on 19 February 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

Here's my predictions for the 2012 season, based on hope and no insight whatsoever.

Vettel will not win the WDC.  Winning it 3 times on the bounce is just greedy as well as being very, very difficult.  When Schumacher did his 5 on the bounce he had the whole team behind him and a team mate who was not allowed to race him, competition from the other teams at the time was not of a high standard (JPM & RS at Williams were more interested in beating each other than beating Ferrari, KR at McLaren often compromised by their race strategy which meant they qualified lower in the top 10).  That's not the case with Vettel, therefore the difficulty level is so much higher and you've got to hope that the other teams will close the gap to RBR.

Alonso will wiin the WDC.  He hasn't won since 2006 so its about time he won again.  It's a crazy prediction given the 1st winter testing session and the quotes from Pat Fry, but I think they will knuckle down and get on with the work to make the car better over the whole of the season and will take the drivers title.  I'm a bit worried about technical side of Ferrari but I'm going to stick with Alonso to win.

RBR will win the constructors but Webber will take wins from Seb as he did in 2010.

Surprise package will be Mercedes AMG.  They will solve the tyre munching problem over the winter and make a step forward.  Rosberg break his duck and will win more than 1 GP this season.  He'll be in the hunt for the championship but not be able to sustain it.

If all of the above is true it must mean that McLaren will fall back.  Button and Hamilton will take a win each but other than that it'll be slim pickings.  Hamilton will get dumped by Nicole again and that will send his form into a tailspin.  He will start writing to newspaper agony aunts for answers to his questions about relationships, Whitmarsh will get fed up with him.

STR will find out that their new drivers are no better than their old drivers.

Caterham will score a point or two this season.

Lotus will be similar to what they were last season.

Williams will struggle.

No one will watch the SKY coverage.

We all have out hopes SG...

[Massa]

I wouldn't agree with all of Senna's Ghost's predictions, but the only one I would really argue against (since most of my disagreements are based, too, on hope) is the STR one.  I don't think anyone ever thought much of Alguersuari and Buemi coming in; I didn't.  I've seen Vergne and Ricciardo race, because I followed WSR last year for good Toronto boy Bobby Wickens.  Both are more highly touted than Alguersuari or Buemi ever were, which doesn't mean they're better, but it does indicate they have a bit more flash.  Less experience, so in year one, yeah, they might not be better, but I just feel both have real potential whereas last year's pair were "dead-end" drivers, who had reached the highest point they ever really could.

That said, Vergne lost the title to his teammate (the aforementioned hero of Massa's European racing interests, Wickens, who stays fit in the off-season playing pond hockey), even though he had the bigger backing (Red Bull).  Still looked to have "it," if you know what I mean, more than Wickens did, regretfully for me though I actually regard JEV as a nice guy, albeit more of your typical one-dimensional racing driver (the standard for F1) than guys I'd normally support (which is why I don't really get behind him).  Wickens won with some character, some heart, some grit, and some luck.  Vergne lost with a hell of a lot more ability and potential.

Ricciardo, well, he was pretty good at HRT, I think, but I have one real concern with the guy, and no, it isn't that he has enjoyed NASCAR since he was a little kid and I don't like sharing.

You see, he knew he had his Friday drives lined up, and he knew he was hot s*** in the Abu Dhabi young drivers' romp (but come on, he was also in the Red Bull, no one else had that kind of car to play with).  He lost the WSR title the year before, hell, would have finished behind Guerrieri too (shame Guerrieri's resigned himself to a life in IndyCar's on his government's dime).  He knew he couldn't win it this year since he was going to miss some rounds, and despite being with the top team, ISR, he really just phoned it in.  Had he run all the races, he still would have placed behind Wickens and Vergne if you adjusted his points total to a full season.  He wasn't motivated.  I get it; he didn't have to be.  He was all set for his future, nothing to prove, but you know what, I think that's a gutless way to be.  Red Bull kicks you to the curb (well, Red Bull kicked Mikhail Aleshin and Wickens to the curb and they went on to win the next two World Series by Renault titles over Red Bull guys so I guess Ricciardo would've done something if he were gone) for whatever reason, and it just reflects poorly on you trying to convince people you're motivated when your references down the ladder are saying you didn't give a damn and just went out for some Sunday drives, thinking less about the weekend and more about your future.  I'm sure Ricciardo's a nice kid, he's young, he's on top of the world, but you gotta have some character to impress me.

Still think if Ricciardo can keep his head in it and not be overwhelmed, and Vergne can just be Vergne, STR has a line up that will go places.  Buemi and Alguersuari weren't going places; they went.  As far as they ever could.  I wish Buemi well in that pretty Toyota, seems to me he's doing what he ought to do, and Alguersuari, well, maybe Mercedes has some hope for you but dammit if Mercedes-Benz North America could just say "you know the guy we really want is Bob Wickens"...

[HandyNZL]

I'll watch SKY coverage...in fact, I have for many years...

[Senna's Ghost]

Massa, on 19 February 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

I wouldn't agree with all of Senna's Ghost's predictions, but the only one I would really argue against (since most of my disagreements are based, too, on hope) is the STR one.  I don't think anyone ever thought much of Alguersuari and Buemi coming in; I didn't.  I've seen Vergne and Ricciardo race, because I followed WSR last year for good Toronto boy Bobby Wickens.  Both are more highly touted than Alguersuari or Buemi ever were, which doesn't mean they're better, but it does indicate they have a bit more flash.  Less experience, so in year one, yeah, they might not be better, but I just feel both have real potential whereas last year's pair were "dead-end" drivers, who had reached the highest point they ever really could.

That said, Vergne lost the title to his teammate (the aforementioned hero of Massa's European racing interests, Wickens, who stays fit in the off-season playing pond hockey), even though he had the bigger backing (Red Bull).  Still looked to have "it," if you know what I mean, more than Wickens did, regretfully for me though I actually regard JEV as a nice guy, albeit more of your typical one-dimensional racing driver (the standard for F1) than guys I'd normally support (which is why I don't really get behind him).  Wickens won with some character, some heart, some grit, and some luck.  Vergne lost with a hell of a lot more ability and potential.

Ricciardo, well, he was pretty good at HRT, I think, but I have one real concern with the guy, and no, it isn't that he has enjoyed NASCAR since he was a little kid and I don't like sharing.

You see, he knew he had his Friday drives lined up, and he knew he was hot s*** in the Abu Dhabi young drivers' romp (but come on, he was also in the Red Bull, no one else had that kind of car to play with).  He lost the WSR title the year before, hell, would have finished behind Guerrieri too (shame Guerrieri's resigned himself to a life in IndyCar's on his government's dime).  He knew he couldn't win it this year since he was going to miss some rounds, and despite being with the top team, ISR, he really just phoned it in.  Had he run all the races, he still would have placed behind Wickens and Vergne if you adjusted his points total to a full season.  He wasn't motivated.  I get it; he didn't have to be.  He was all set for his future, nothing to prove, but you know what, I think that's a gutless way to be.  Red Bull kicks you to the curb (well, Red Bull kicked Mikhail Aleshin and Wickens to the curb and they went on to win the next two World Series by Renault titles over Red Bull guys so I guess Ricciardo would've done something if he were gone) for whatever reason, and it just reflects poorly on you trying to convince people you're motivated when your references down the ladder are saying you didn't give a damn and just went out for some Sunday drives, thinking less about the weekend and more about your future.  I'm sure Ricciardo's a nice kid, he's young, he's on top of the world, but you gotta have some character to impress me.

Still think if Ricciardo can keep his head in it and not be overwhelmed, and Vergne can just be Vergne, STR has a line up that will go places.  Buemi and Alguersuari weren't going places; they went.  As far as they ever could.  I wish Buemi well in that pretty Toyota, seems to me he's doing what he ought to do, and Alguersuari, well, maybe Mercedes has some hope for you but dammit if Mercedes-Benz North America could just say "you know the guy we really want is Bob Wickens"...

I understand your point of view on Buemi and Alguersuari.  It was so difficult to understand whether they were both drivers on a par with each other and had both found a level they were comfortable at; or they were both pushing and had topped out on the performance they could extract from that car.  I am not suggesting that they were world beaters and future world champs, however I do think they are decent performers and worthy of a place on the grid.

I am always weary of drivers who enter the sport with a lot of press and marketing in front of them declaring them to be a bit special.  You often find that this does them no service at all and often hinders their career as I think they believe that they will continue with the success they have had throughout their career to this point and it is a bit of a rude awakening when they find themselves qualifying near the back and not having the advantages they enjoyed in the lower formula.

It will be interesting to see how these two measure up to one another over the season.  If the tale is similar to Buemi and Alguersuari does that mean they'll be kicked out at the end of next year?

[Massa]

I don't have a lot of faith in Red Bull's program.  Few took greater pleasure in Aleshin and Wickens beating Ricciardo and Vergne to win the WSR titles after being released by Red Bull at the end of the 2009 season.  I've shared this before, will share it again.  Not exactly what I'd call "well-written," but it gets the facts out there:

http://www.popoffval...-search-feature

It's great that Red Bull are one of the few that are willing to help drivers up the ladder, I'm not going to deny that.  It's not so great how they do these terrible contracts, and how STR has been run.  Drivers get pinned; if you don't sign the deal, you're not going to have a backer to help you out and there are few others to align with (sure, Lotus has gotten involved in juniors, but, uhh, guys, let's talk about their finances...and all the money they owe racing teams they "sponsored"...and their sudden cutting of any support to a factory engine program in IndyCar...you really think a niche car brand is actually paying to be in F1, Indy, WEC, ALMS, GP2, GP3...).  But if you do it, you're absolutely damned.  Success?  Great, but you're always on Red Bull's leash, no matter where you go.  Not attracting the interest of other teams?  They'll cut you.  They don't want to invest in a driver's development; they want to cash in on a driver making an instant impact and then selling him off to another team.  Vettel was an exception; had Red Bull had championship-caliber drivers in the big squad, he wouldn't have been.

And they do what they can to make sure you never resurface.  You are required to still wear a Red Bull helmet for three years after they stop funding you.  So you can't sell personal helmet sponsorship.  That's just more money you're not getting, and that hurts your chances of finding a ride more and more.  It's fair to say you're in debt to Red Bull if they get you up the ladder, but not to the extent the contracts mandate.

I suspect, with Red Bull as good of a team as they are, and Vettel as good of a driver as he is and their ability to attract someone else quite good if Webber leaves, that Ricciardo and Vergne are never going to be on the track to graduate to the big club.  After all, there's more money in it for Red Bull when they drive for someone else.

The way they ran their NASCAR program, though not for here, was documented as pretty poor, too, though the blunder of blunders was Red Bull driver, a perfectly healthy, athletic twenty-five-year-old, in top fitness, was diagnosed with blood clots.  Around the same time studies were coming out linking Red Bull to, you guessed it, blood clots...

[yurp]

Predictions....
Vettel
Hamilton
Button
Alonso
Webber
Rosberg
Kimi
Schumi
Massa
Di Resta
Perez
Grosjean
Kobayashi
Hulkenberg
...others

Hopes...
Webber and Massa prove themselves ineffectual as always and their seats get given to two of the following (probably not until 2013, but the sooner the better)...

Kubica (if he ever returns)
Kimi (instead of Webber - obviously not at Ferrari)
Di Resta
Kobayashi
Heidfeld aaaaaaaah no no no no no NOOOO!

[myF1space]

Vettel to win another world championship

  Lewis' ego to deflate still further

  Massa to touch his toes for anyone but Lewis.

  Webber and Schumacher to retire at the end of the season

  Kimi to have a massive crash.

  Alonso to run Vettel close

  Lewis 3^rd

  Webber 4th

  Button  5^th

Edited by Massa, 02 March 2012 - 10:29 PM.

[Massa]

Welcome to TF1, myF1space!  Please keep links to your own site in you signature rather than advertising in your posts.  Thanks!

[HandyNZL]

So any unrelated link is spam?

I never knew that.

I think I might be in some sort of bother then.

Thank goodness then that there are no links in my text that are unrelated.

[Massa]

Actually if you clik the "TF1 Forum Terms & Rules" button there really are no terms and rules so I guess every time we delete spam we're actually violating our end of the user agreement by enforcing rules we don't even have.

I reworded my post for you.

[sid9]

@ Massa,


How can you say that Kimi wont win in 2012 ??? IF brown can take WDC in 2009 why not a single race win for Kimi ?????


My Predictions for 2012 season:-


1. Kimi Raikonen will end the 2012 season with two race wins and few podiums(atleast)

2. The first inaugural race, Vettel wont start australian grand prix from Pole, in my prediction, Lewis.

3. Shumi can do nothing this year also, means nico will outperform him every race every quali !

4. Redbull and Mclaren will fight it inch to inch every race !!! Lotus (ofcourse Kimi) will be clinching 'company' for them in podium.

5. Lewis hamilton will outperform button this year

6. Massa can do nothing this year, that means, out of Ferrari by year end !!!

7. I dont expect Brawn coming up with a surprise just like in 2009 !

[Massa]

Hey sid9, welcome!

Never put any weight in my predictions.  I once said Brawn Grand Prix would be the only team on the 2009 grid to score 0 points, and that Sebastian Vettel would never win a Grand Prix!

I'd certainly like to see Räikkönen win races.  The more drivers to be competitive, the more interesting the season is.  Hopefully you will enjoy it with us.

[sid9]

Massa, on 07 March 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

Hey sid9, welcome!

Never put any weight in my predictions.  I once said Brawn Grand Prix would be the only team on the 2009 grid to score 0 points, and that Sebastian Vettel would never win a Grand Prix!

I'd certainly like to see Räikkönen win races.  The more drivers to be competitive, the more interesting the season is.  Hopefully you will enjoy it with us.

Lets wait till Mar 18th....we will see