Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Fisi on pole, Button in the toilet - now I've seen it all. What is that boy doing? An excellent job of losing a championship Always harder to lead than to chase, though (especially if leading is new territory). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikathegreat2 2 Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Fisi on pole, Button in the toilet - now I've seen it all. What is that boy doing? Busy changing his helmet designs! The biggest mistake he's made this year! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wapi 4 Report post Posted August 29, 2009 This is quite revealing: http://www.totalf1.com/full_story/view/317574/Raikkonen_hints_at_Ferrari_departure/ It is. But title is missleading. His statement says that he will have drive F1 next year. Probably some teams already contacted him (BGP being most likely candidate) when all that Alonso sh#t started to spin around. He repeated that he has contract and wants to make it happen. So he is not going to agree on discounted payment... He might be cool but he is not naiive. He managed to be paid better than WDC at that time (Alonso). So I am not worried that he will agree to something that earnes him less money than he could. If Ferrari pays 54 million, Kimi can even afford to go somewhere for "bread and water" in the first year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wapi 4 Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Fisi on pole, Button in the toilet - now I've seen it all. What is that boy doing? Has he lost motivation ?!? He is not that Button he used to be. Maybe he wants to switch to thriatlon! It is hillarious how it works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Has he lost motivation ?!? He is not that Button he used to be. Maybe he wants to switch to thriatlon! It is hillarious how it works. Button is simply not used to the pressure of leading a title campaign. He's feeling it, can't blame him. Happens to most drivers the first time they are in the hunt for a championship, we've seen some mistakes from Vettel this year, for example. This is the part of the battle where Barrichello's experience pays dividends. Kimi's issue was probably never motivation, it was just his own commitment. The reasoning for that is that at a crucial time in the driver market he starts performing better, and Ferrari are not developing their car anymore... However, an alternative explanation could be that Ferrari are putting more attention on Raikkonen now that Massa is on the bench, and hence the upturn in performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted August 29, 2009 Button is simply not used to the pressure of leading a title campaign. He's feeling it, can't blame him. Happens to most drivers the first time they are in the hunt for a championship, we've seen some mistakes from Vettel this year, for example. This is the part of the battle where Barrichello's experience pays dividends. Kimi's issue was probably never motivation, it was just his own commitment. The reasoning for that is that at a crucial time in the driver market he starts performing better, and Ferrari are not developing their car anymore... However, an alternative explanation could be that Ferrari are putting more attention on Raikkonen now that Massa is on the bench, and hence the upturn in performance. You are right, I believe. It's like Pro Golf. Everyone out there can play great golf but it's not about that - the person with the most robust mental stamina over four days takes the crown. Kimi has moved up a gear - no doubt about it. JB has a strong mind, I am sure, [he couldn't run the times he does in triathlon, otherwise] but the demons are in his head at this moment in time and he needs to see them off as soon as he can. We know he has what it takes to win the WDC - he's shown us this year - six out of seven isn't a fluke. But the thing about tyre temps is bollocks and incidents like Turn 1 in Valencia are pure anxiety. I am confident we have not seen the last of him on the top step this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted August 29, 2009 1 Trulli (lap 12) 2 Vettel +0.156 secs (lap 15) 3 Heidfeld +0.157secs (lap 12) 4 Fisichella +0.211 (lap 10) 5 Kimi Raikkonen +0.290 (lap 12) 6 Mark Webber +0.341 (lap 13) 7 Robert Kubica +0.454 (lap 10) 8 Nico Rosberg +0.495 (lap 16) 9 Rubens Barrichello +0.538 (lap nine) 10 Timo Glock +0.562 (lap 10) This is the fuel adjusted grid. Glock and Barrichello are 1/2 second off pole and stopping extremely early. Should cheer JB up a bit and hand Vettel another golden opportunity to hit the top step. Unfortunately, it seems inevitable that there will be a Trulli 'train' somewhere in the field. I hear on the grapevine that the Jens has been given the green light to trash the car if he has too, so long as he gives it his all. The gloves have to come off sometime - that's how WDCs are won. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Autumnpuma 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 You are right, I believe. It's like Pro Golf. Everyone out there can play great golf but it's not about that - the person with the most robust mental stamina over four days takes the crown. Kimi has moved up a gear - no doubt about it. JB has a strong mind, I am sure, [he couldn't run the times he does in triathlon, otherwise] but the demons are in his head at this moment in time and he needs to see them off as soon as he can. We know he has what it takes to win the WDC - he's shown us this year - six out of seven isn't a fluke. But the thing about tyre temps is bollocks and incidents like Turn 1 in Valencia are pure anxiety. I am confident we have not seen the last of him on the top step this season. Gold, with caveat*. *I don't agree that 'We know he has what it takes to win the WDC'. An impressive start, no doubt, but until he wins the whole kit-and-kaboodle we won't know that he can. The only drivers we know can win the WDC are the ones who've already won the thing. And their current efforts should be measured by that yardstick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dribbler 6 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 The Button situation is fascinating. I agree with you, George, the pressure is undoubtedly getting to him. It may well be that he worried about trying too hard and so relaxed a little too much. Now that he needs to climb back up, he's not sure by how much. He's not in a natural state at the moment. He's doing a 'tentative Brazil Hamilton' six races too early. Or is he? Maybe if he can get throught this lean period it will give him the strength to complete the season. He has time. It almost reminds me of Michael Schumacher's 2000 campionship year. He looked strong from the off but allowed himself to be caught and passed by a resurgent Hakkinen. The tears Michael shed at the Monza press conference after he won (having been beaten the previous fortnight by Mika at Spa)were a mixture of a release of tension and the realisation that he now knew he had what it took to get the job done, I suspect. I still think Jenson will have a race result that will put all the pieces back together again. When that happens, he'll take the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Gold, with caveat*. *I don't agree that 'We know he has what it takes to win the WDC'. An impressive start, no doubt, but until he wins the whole kit-and-kaboodle we won't know that he can. The only drivers we know can win the WDC are the ones who've already won the thing. And their current efforts should be measured by that yardstick. I would concede that I should replace 'we with 'I', after all, it is only a personal opinion. Nevertheless, no matter how superior the BGP001 was in the opening weeks of the season, it had to be piloted to perfection and kept on the track. Barrichello couldn't do it but JB did. That was enough encouragement for me that he had the balls to take the WDC. However, since the little men have invaded his head he has taken an uber-cautious approach. Apart from running wide here and there, bumping kerbs and being made to pay for it, [yesterday's last flying lap in Q2 and his last gasp lap at Valencia being potent examples] he hasn't damaged the car or put in in a wall but overall, these protective tactics have cost him points and face. Maybe it's time he got a little urban gangsta! Michael 'broke' the car several times in his Championship years and I would rather see Jens ripping a piece of bodywork off here and there, putting some manners on the likes of Vettel and Co than driving like a girl and coming seventh. Banzai antics are promised today - we shall see whaddup! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dribbler 6 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 I sense a measured approach form Button today. Rubens on fumes and the Bull's struggling a little. He's got a good glug of fuel. He can let this one come to him. And come to him, I suspect it will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavallino 2 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Coolest guy on the grid definitelly (from formula1.com) : Q: There are a lot of rumours about you next season. What is your position now? KR: It has not changed since the last race. I have a contract. I don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 He's not the coolest guy, he's just a guy who is slowly fading out of F1. He takes a Ferrari drive for granted, he is happy to be just good enough to be on the grid. He doesn't care he isn't a winner any more or that most people won't rate him among the top 5 drivers in F1 any more. Time to fade away. Poor Ferrari, but then they've asked for it. Nah. He likes to race. I agree he doesn't care if he wins anymore or whose car he drives as long as he gets paid and has a car to play with. Motivation and commitment are two completely different things, For Kimi, the former comes from his bank balance - the latter just doesn't exist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wapi 4 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 He is the coolest anyhow. He is the only one there that speaks his mind and does not bullsh!t phrases on press briefings. Compare his interview with someone else's you might spot the crucial difference. That commitment issue is snowballing out of control completely. If he is lucky enough to drive good car next year, you might change your tune.. What if he wins today? Will he still be not commited?!?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 He's not the coolest guy, he's just a guy who is slowly fading out of F1. He takes a Ferrari drive for granted, he is happy to be just good enough to be on the grid. He doesn't care he isn't a winner any more or that most people won't rate him among the top 5 drivers in F1 any more. Time to fade away. Poor Ferrari, but then they've asked for it. More evidence that your prophetic powers are failing you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cavallino 2 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 He just won because noone else wanted to today, apparently Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wapi 4 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Kimi won although FI, RB and BGP had faster cars, but had no commitment compared to "Mr. Uncommited". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wapi 4 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 I must say I absolutely enjoy Kimi winning in spite of silly "uncommited" spin he is enjoying from the press lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 You got me on that one! Well, Ferrari's saviour has been mentioned in some sites as well as many posts in this forum. Trust me, I am too lazy to prove it, but if you dig you may find out...well, the words may not be exact, but technically it meant the same. if Kimi is being paid like a WDC, Micheal was paid like a king and yet there were times when he couldn't win a race, (2005?) at a time when they were the only teams to have unlimited testing, correct me if I am wrong about the testin issue. Does that make him Coulthard performin at Mclaren? I was replying to Sid's post where he says Nando is better than Kimi by a mile, something which I don't agree. I didn't discount Massa in anyway. Let us wait and see what happens in the next few weeks, I don't care if Nando goes to Ferrari though, but at the cost of Kimi's seat will be worrying. If I win the lotto on wednesday I'm gonna send you half Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 I must say I absolutely enjoy Kimi winning in spite of silly "uncommited" spin he is enjoying from the press lately. I will admit that Kimi does appear to be committed, after all - to Kimi! http://www.totalf1.com/full_story/view/317985/Kimi_to_Brawn_in_2010/ I did post that I had heard some well informed rumours to this effect, several weeks ago. He did well to keep Fisi at bay, despite the help from KERS. Fisi was unlucky with the pace car - he'd have been long gone without it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 Excellent post. The problem with impressions is that they snowball out of control. Kimi has certainly fallen foul of this for the last couple of seasons. Let's not forget though, it's not all been without good reason. Track excursions, questionable pace relative to team mates and 'out of the c#ckpit etiquette' have all been very different to the Kimi that blasted onto the scene with Sauber or his brilliant time with McLaren. Maybe Ferrari have let him be his own man a little too much. good point Steve, I'm been thinking amongts those lines.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 Now then, about this Kimi to BGP story. Well, as I said, it came to my ears some time back and you know what? At the risk of having egg on my face, my sources are so good that I'll put money on it. That he is willing to take a pay cut is highly significant. It tells us a lot about his relationship with the Scuderia. Basically, he's not a happy puppy. However, $25m would put him on roughly the same package as JB would be looking to draw in season two. If Jens misses out on the WDC, [which I very much doubt] he is toast!! Ross has begun to doubt him, as he did before the season began. Has he got what it takes? Yes! - in spades. Can he keep his Sh#t together? - ?????? DC is his mate, they're neighbours, they eat and chew the fat together and he says he's cool. Ross says he isn't and I believe him. Bottom line? Who would Kimi replace? The 2009 World Champion? Obviously not. A man who won six races and then blew the WDC? Possibly. His relentless and quick Brazilian team mate? Probably, unless he's the 2009 WDC. For me, it throws forward a couple of interesting scenarios. If Jenson misses out and Rubens wins the Championship who will Kimi replace then? Clearly, JB would have to move on to another team. But, what if he wins the WDC and Rubens is a very close second. Will KImi still come to Brawn? Is he better than Rubens? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 Is he better than Rubens? I can't believe you've asked this q... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 guys, what exactly is going on here... After what Alonso did to Mclaren, I won't be suprised if this is true... http://www.totalf1.com/full_story/view/317983/FIA_investigating_Renaults_actions_in_Singapore_08/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insider 0 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 I can't believe you've asked this q... Why? RB sets a car up well, has super pace and is massively competitive. The question is valid - surely? What superior quality does Kimi bring to the party? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
