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Official Mclaren Wtf Thread

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Quiet One    15

Quiet One
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The car seems still fast, no doubt about it, but the balance is all wrong. Button has locked up more tires in this race than Lewis in his entire career. And Hamilton's pace was consistent...ly backwards.

Button race was hopeless from the start as he obviously would not have a normal race. But Lewis had many moments of solitary race, no big skirmishes and the few ones he had were not too costly in terms of race pace or tire wear at least from outside. I don't know about his strategy or such but it is all irrelevant. The point is: he NEVER seemed to have the pace. Running alone in the middle, as leader, lost between the midfield...it was always the same. Yet not a single flaw in his driving could be seen. No clashes with Maldonado, or anybody else for that matter. He drove a surgically clean race yet he was nowhere.

There is something wrong with that car.

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AleHop    0

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It wasn't that bad in Valencia and I think they brought a major upgrade to Silverstone. Maybe they couldn't make it work with all the rain on Friday and Saturday.

Next couple of races will be very important for McLaren, and of course for the others too, but they're playing catch up and their competitors are improving steadily.

Still many races to go after the summer break but every single point counts this season.

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Insider    0

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I think there has been little development to the MP4-27 in recent races and a hell of a lot at Ferrari, Red Bull, Lotus, Williams and Sauber. JB is concerned but he hasn't lost his mojo but I'm afraid Macca will need to find half a second to get on terms and retain Lewis as a driver.

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Kermit    0

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It seems like McLaren has a permanent bad luck charm. Not only this season but as well as in it's history. Even when McLaren is at its best, still consistency never seems to be its strong suit. After the Ferrari domination through out the early 2000's, I thought finally we can come out of the downturn and win the long awaited championship. It was Ferrari's downturn and McLaren had been "consistent"errrrrr.gif . Two great drivers in the team, solid team management (not gonna get into Sam Michael business) and Vodafone as main sponsor. Perfect scenario for championship...king.gif

Aaaanndd... it's gone. Bad luck kicks in dam.gif . Lewis has two seasons of frustration sometimes due to his own mistakes and the rest due to the teams. After a lot of soul searching and maturing now he is more laid back and handles things better on track. However , I think he became a broken horse. He will be praised for his good behavior on track, his achievements on the podium (2, 3) and be spoken of as a great driver. But the passion and fighting spirit that would have made him 'legendary' is gone.

If the drivers don't make a mistake then the pit crew does, or the strategists. If there is no one to make a mistake then the car breaks down or we get an "Angry Maldonado".

I don't know WTF is all this about but McLaren is losing a lot of blood. Vodafone is already reconsidering their sponsorship contract.gif and it is likely they will not extend the it. If things don't get better by the end of 2013 then here comes Mclaren's downturn. Then it'll just be like Williams last year.

Your thoughts???

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Massa    0

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Welcome to the forums.

It's a long season, not even half over, so I'm not ready to get too crazy about McLaren's issues. Right now, I'll chalk it up to one bad season. It is poorly timed, of course, with Vodafone and Lewis Hamilton up for renegotiation, but McLaren can replace Vodafone, I'm sure. They're still a huge name in F1, they're still a competitive team, and they still have great drivers.

I don't think they're on the verge of a Williams-like tumble, but a good result would restore some confidence. Something just seemed off this race. They botched qualifying, and then Hamilton went nowhere on option tires today...they still got both guys in the points, though. I wonder if they compromised on the setup for different conditions?

There's been some bad luck, some less than stellar driving, and all sorts of things...but it's only a huge deal because the expectations were so high after Melbourne, before we realized what this season was going to be like. One good race in Germany and McLaren's P2 in the WCC again. It only looks really, really, really, really bad because we expected dominance. The lack of it is more of a result of the competition than anything, though McLaren have obviously thrown some away (but in a "normal" season, McLaren would have been so far in the lead that pit errors wouldn't matter). They aren't out of it, not this year, and Hamilton's not out of the WDC yet. Most teams would kill to be having the "bad" season McLaren is, and even an error-free McLaren wouldn't be putting the championships away, because the regulations and the competition just won't allow it.

The only team that hasn't had a "WTF" moment this year is the one that's leading the WCC...and even they have blown a few poles, failing to convert them to wins...

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Rainmaster    7

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Welcome to the forums.

It's a long season, not even half over, so I'm not ready to get too crazy about McLaren's issues. Right now, I'll chalk it up to one bad season. It is poorly timed, of course, with Vodafone and Lewis Hamilton up for renegotiation, but McLaren can replace Vodafone, I'm sure. They're still a huge name in F1, they're still a competitive team, and they still have great drivers.

I don't think they're on the verge of a Williams-like tumble, but a good result would restore some confidence. Something just seemed off this race. They botched qualifying, and then Hamilton went nowhere on option tires today...they still got both guys in the points, though. I wonder if they compromised on the setup for different conditions?

There's been some bad luck, some less than stellar driving, and all sorts of things...but it's only a huge deal because the expectations were so high after Melbourne, before we realized what this season was going to be like. One good race in Germany and McLaren's P2 in the WCC again. It only looks really, really, really, really bad because we expected dominance. The lack of it is more of a result of the competition than anything, though McLaren have obviously thrown some away (but in a "normal" season, McLaren would have been so far in the lead that pit errors wouldn't matter). They aren't out of it, not this year, and Hamilton's not out of the WDC yet. Most teams would kill to be having the "bad" season McLaren is, and even an error-free McLaren wouldn't be putting the championships away, because the regulations and the competition just won't allow it.

The only team that hasn't had a "WTF" moment this year is the one that's leading the WCC...and even they have blown a few poles, failing to convert them to wins...

So much truth in this.

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Ikyrotz    0

Ikyrotz
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Hey, how bad can things be at McLaren when they have time to make things like this!

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Rainmaster    7

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Well, if Vodafone leave then Coca-Cola may replace them, as they are thought to be considering sponsoring Mclaren, according to Pitpass (http://www.pitpass.com/46754-Coca-Cola-eyes-F1-as-Vodafone-mulls-exit).

Also, there seems to have been progress in at least one element of Mclaren's "wtf-ness". Their pit stops were the fastest at Silverstone (http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/07/mclaren-pit-stops-back-on-track/)

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dribbler    6

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Welcome to the forums.

It's a long season, not even half over, so I'm not ready to get too crazy about McLaren's issues. Right now, I'll chalk it up to one bad season. It is poorly timed, of course, with Vodafone and Lewis Hamilton up for renegotiation, but McLaren can replace Vodafone, I'm sure. They're still a huge name in F1, they're still a competitive team, and they still have great drivers.

I don't think they're on the verge of a Williams-like tumble, but a good result would restore some confidence. Something just seemed off this race. They botched qualifying, and then Hamilton went nowhere on option tires today...they still got both guys in the points, though. I wonder if they compromised on the setup for different conditions?

There's been some bad luck, some less than stellar driving, and all sorts of things...but it's only a huge deal because the expectations were so high after Melbourne, before we realized what this season was going to be like. One good race in Germany and McLaren's P2 in the WCC again. It only looks really, really, really, really bad because we expected dominance. The lack of it is more of a result of the competition than anything, though McLaren have obviously thrown some away (but in a "normal" season, McLaren would have been so far in the lead that pit errors wouldn't matter). They aren't out of it, not this year, and Hamilton's not out of the WDC yet. Most teams would kill to be having the "bad" season McLaren is, and even an error-free McLaren wouldn't be putting the championships away, because the regulations and the competition just won't allow it.

The only team that hasn't had a "WTF" moment this year is the one that's leading the WCC...and even they have blown a few poles, failing to convert them to wins...

What a tragedy that rational posts like this one kill forums like this one.

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Quiet One    15

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Now I know no-one reads what I post here... byebye.gif (ok, I guess there is the remote chance that a post gets overlooked every now and then wink.png )

I saw you posted a youtube video but I thought it was merely a promotional video that they requested to be done. Not a whole division of McLaren devoted to make toons!

Now, just for making such accusation, you are on my ignore list.

(J/k :P)

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Ikyrotz    0

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I thought it was merely a promotional video that they requested to be done. Not a whole division of McLaren devoted to make toons!

Like I said, they can't be doing that bad given that they have time to make toons! biggrin.png

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Quiet One    15

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laugh.png If I was trying to do that I would have said at least 8. You just can't admit you like it too!

Do not! icon2_yuk.gif (see? That's the mature way to deal with it!)

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Insider    0

Insider
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This interview with Paddy Lowe just underlines the main problem at McLaren - Paddy Lowe. His arrogance is only superceded by his ignornace. He doesn't like being criticised, he has a major downer on JB and thinks Lewis is an upstart. He has his eye on Whitmarsh's job but doesn't hace enough support in the garage. When he engineered Jens for a few races back in 2010, there were sparks. I actually spoke to him at Monaco in 2011 at a charity do for Children In Crisis, a charity I give as much as I can to. he really doesn't like drivers - period.

http://www.totalf1.c...wrong_with_car/

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Insider    0

Insider
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actually quite cool, I love animation!

Yeah, I liked that.

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f1bettings    0

f1bettings
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McLaren clumsiness is going to cost them the title this year if they don't fix it.

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