Kimi Wasn

[nojvnof1 0]

"it's frustrating if you get too attached to a team that always let you down so much"

welcome to what JV fans have felt for a good few years now!!

[chennaiguy 0]

kimi can give a real chase only if he gets a triple first podium where alonso crashes out for atleast a single race

[rodders47 2]

Yep Kimi is 10 points down rather then maybe 3 points BUT at least he didnt get hurt in the accident !!!

All in all a very BAD decission by both Team & Kimi

[raikkonen_rulez 0]

yes he made mistakes at the wrong time

but his will to win was evident

he kept a vibrating car on road for 15 laps

without being able to see the circuit clearly

and tried his best not to let alonso closed in to him that much

but i agree with ron dennis, a racer race to win, and not be satisfied with 3rd

had he make it to the finish line

we'd be talking of how brave they were instead of this

[nojvnof1 0]

"but his will to win was evident"

yes it was, there's no doubt about that. Yes he's a racer and wants to win, but at the expense of the Championship??

[5P33D3V1L 0]

"but his will to win was evident"

yes it was, there's no doubt about that. Yes he's a racer and wants to win, but at the expense of the Championship??

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You need to win races to win the championship don't ya ?. I don't understand why people think he should of pitted. The guy is in the lead of a race with his arch rival behind him wanting to beat him and what are the people saying ???? He should of pitted my god no one in this world would pit and let his arch rival and the man he is tryng to chase win. Plus he spent 10 laps or more with the tyre like that so why would you decide on the last lap to pit if he was going to pit he should of pitted earlier. The point is he didn't want to let his championship rival get 10 points but unfortunatly he did but I would of prefered to go out in the lead with a mechanical failure than pitting and finishing 2nd or 3rd with Alonso on the top step specially if you just led like the whole race that would make me feel sick me getting second for all that plus he is now this shows nothing will scare him or stop him from winning that championship. Raikonnen was unlucky and he will make sure Alonso won't win ever again. The "Ice Man" is going to melt Alonso's Lead. So all you McLaren fans keep faith I have a feeling this will be a Championship we won't forget.

[Taku 0]

"it's frustrating if you get too attached to a team that always let you down so much"

welcome to what JV fans have felt for a good few years now!!

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i'm getting it now with bar, and i had it with jordan for a couple years, but nothing like jv fans!

there really has been no cigar in a long long time. when was his last podium?

i only ask cos i know you'll be able to answer it before the question is even finished! it'd be like sale of the century. nojv hits the buzzer before tony barber can even finish the question!

[kiko01 0]

You need to win races to win the championship don't ya ?. I don't understand why people think he should of pitted. The guy is in the lead of a race with his arch rival behind him wanting to beat him and what are the people saying ???? He should of pitted my god no one in this world would pit and let his arch rival and the man he is tryng to chase win. Plus he spent 10 laps or more with the tyre like that so why would you decide on the last lap to pit if he was going to pit he should of pitted earlier. The point is he didn't want to let his championship rival get 10 points but unfortunatly he did but I would of prefered to go out in the lead with a mechanical failure than pitting and finishing 2nd or 3rd with Alonso on the top step specially if you just led like the whole race that would make me feel sick me getting second for all that plus he is now this shows nothing will scare him or stop him from winning that championship. Raikonnen was unlucky and he will make sure Alonso won't win ever again. The "Ice Man" is going to melt Alonso's Lead. So all you McLaren fans keep faith I have a feeling this will be a Championship we won't forget. 

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You need to score points to win the championship like FA did in Monaco. I think they made a mistake, KR was really brave but that

[chennaiguy 0]

ya thats right-kimi is brave but he shud be sensible to convert his aggresiveness to points-if and only if kimi outperforms alonso within 3 or 4 races from now then only he can be a real challenger-alonso has cleary utilised the chances when mclaren struggled in early races-also montoya and fisichella moves can put some efforts in driving the luck towards kimi -those 2 are the only people who can turn tables

[Chris Strange 0]

Gambling is a diddicult choice. If you succeed you're a genius if you fail you're a sucker, there's no middle. Don't forget they just nearly lost their gamble..... Now whether KR was overdriving the car I'll let that to the specialists ( U know who U R)

[chennaiguy 0]

Gambling is a diddicult choice. If you succeed you're a genius if you fail you're a sucker, there's no middle. Don't forget they just nearly lost their gamble..... Now whether KR  was overdriving the car I'll let that to the specialists ( U know who U R)

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ya they just lost in gamble but what if they always try for the big one and lose it most times-will people still say he is brave-even if they say he still loses points and finally alonso will grab the wdc-so better eye on the wdc and make a move kimi-that will be the lesson from nuringburg

[raikkonen_rulez 0]

i still say he shouldn't have pitted

if he wins he wins, if he is not destined to win the WDC then let it be earlier

if the car + kimi > FA + his car

then eventually he will win

if not

it doesn't matter by how big the margin he loses, he still loses

no one cares if you get second or third, people only care bout who wins

1 point- you still lose, 20 points- you lose too

(if this is not true, watch the olympics, how many silver medalists can you remember?)

i know it's more useful for him to score the points instead of nothing, but as ron dennis said, there wasn't enough evidence to suggest that the tyre wouldn't last one more lap, it already lasted for 15 laps

[chennaiguy 0]

thats gr8 explanation - but it only shows blind aggressiveness without proper motivation in right direction-also to mention williams said they wudve taken mclaren stand-buton other hand analysts in planet-f1 descriobed ferrari wudve chosen to pit if their situation was same-so the best team in recent years ferrrari decision wud not have went wrong just bcoz they are losing now due to bad tires

[ecapdeville 0]

it doesn't matter by how big the margin he loses, he still loses

no one cares if you get second or third, people only care bout who wins

1 point- you still lose, 20 points- you lose too

(if this is not true, watch the olympics, how many silver medalists can you remember?)

Yeah? ask Nigel Mansell when he loose the championship by a half point with Prost when he crashed in the last race in Adelaide, back in 1986 because he didnt change a tyre, blowing and crashing heavily in a straight at 180mph

You cant compare olympics with this...people even wont remember who won the 2005 european grand prix, they will remember the champion at the end...

I think you need some more experience in F1 my friend

[bajo39 0]

thats gr8 explanation - but it only shows blind aggressiveness without proper motivation in right direction-also to mention williams said they wudve taken mclaren stand-buton other hand analysts in planet-f1 descriobed ferrari wudve chosen to pit if their situation was same-so  the best team in recent years ferrrari decision wud not have went wrong just bcoz they are losing now due to bad tires

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Clearly McLaren's decision was the wrong one. At the time, it seemed a bit amateurish to me -- the sort of thing I would expect from BAR or RBR but not McLaren. Ferrari, representing the peak of professionalism in sport, surely would have pitted their car in that scenario.

[raikkonen_rulez 0]

this is down to personalities now,

i personally think that winners don't settle for 2nd

they gamble

and they either win or lose

perhaps i'm thinking in a more business-like manner

but i've been taught this since i was young

only if you gamble can you win

if he'd pitted and got 3rd yet still he's 2 points short of winning the championship at the end of the year

then people would be think, " if he had gamble perhaps he's champion now"

it's always like this, people who gamble and win are genius, people who calculated risk wrongly are labeled as idiots

in this case, he took the risk and he lost

we should all forget about it and move on

[chennaiguy 0]

<we should all forget about it and move on >

yeah thats right- we are just discussing what wudve been better decision and its not a any heat within team-

see even if kimi wudve settled for 3rd then its a fair game by just osing few points rather than not get anything atall-that points will surely help him to close on in future races and even the rivals will get a message that mclaren are there in the business where they are focused on scoring points rather than risking like on multimillions

[ksajoe 0]

If Kimi told the team that it might be better to pit and salvage some points, they would have agreed - but the driver and team have had such bad luck in the past they cannot think straight when confronted with a simple problem. For a team that is playing catch up, 3rd would have been a beautiful result. Walking away with zero is going to hurt their chances.

[chennaiguy 0]

ya thats what i meant exactly- so now atleast kimi and team shud realise each and every point earned is a step towards the wdc-anyway brave try kimi better luck next time

[nojvnof1 0]

"when was his last podium?

i only ask cos i know you'll be able to answer it before the question is even finished! it'd be like sale of the century. nojv hits the buzzer before tony barber can even finish the question!"

ROFL. If only there was a quiz show based entirely on F1!! Oh, and to answer your question, Germany 2001. Not as long as his last win though, Nurburgring 1997!!!!