Whose Fault

[AutoRacer5 0]

Montoya and MS made the same mistake: cutting across the lapped car too quickly. Montoya short braked leaving Monteiro no choice no matter how hard he braked. What about Montoya's excursion on the second to last lap? blame it on the tire? He had done that corner enough times that weekend to know how to take it...

[Sato 0]

lol @ people blaming Montoya, are you people retarded or something?

[Sato 0]

Montoya and MS made the same mistake: cutting across the lapped car too quickly. Montoya short braked leaving Monteiro no choice no matter how hard he braked. What about Montoya's excursion on the second to last lap? blame it on the tire? He had done that corner enough times that weekend to know how to take it...

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Errr, he had a flatspotted tyre and a damaged diffuser, which are both extremely hard to guage and handle in high speed corners, bnoth of these caused by the TM incident....

And Michael didn't cut across a lapped car to early, he just turned in where he shouldn't have.

[bajo39 0]

lol @ people blaming Montoya, are you people retarded or something?

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You support Sato!

[Sato 0]

But do i say Sato is the best driver? that'd be retarded...... Its like saying your a retard for supporting a lower leagues soccer team....

[bajo39 0]

But do i say Sato is the best driver? that'd be retarded...... Its like saying your a retard for supporting a lower leagues soccer team....

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Agreed, but you still have to explain naming your handle/screen-name after a driver who showed no promise of remianing in F1 at the time. I expect you'll look rather silly when TS is demoted to some Japanese sports car series.

[Sato 0]

I changed it, due to Senna bagging him out all the time, in fact before that i wasn't really even a support of him. I really started supporting him, because i felt he was copping more then he deserved.

[bajo39 0]

I changed it, due to Senna bagging him out all the time, in fact before that i wasn't really even a support of him. I really started supporting him, because i felt he was copping more then he deserved.

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I see, very courageous of you then.

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Errr, he had a flatspotted tyre and a damaged diffuser, which are both extremely hard to guage and handle in high speed corners, bnoth of these caused by the TM incident....

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Sorry but they showed his flat-spotted tyre before the incedent with TM

[bajo39 0]

Sorry but they showed his flat-spotted tyre before the incedent with TM

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That's right, if the flatspotted tyre caused him to go off then that his fault and if it was the diffuser then that too is his fault as he had no business cutting back in and short braking infront of the Jordan.

[AutoRacer5 0]

Either way he did not give Monteiro any room. Monteiro pulled over, but Montoya short braked and basically said to Monteiro: hit me in the rear end, i dont care. He did not show respect to Monteiro.

[Sato 0]

you have got to be kidding me....

[bajo39 0]

you have got to be kidding me....

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Seriously, I am just watching Wind Tunnel on SpeedTV and the host is interviewing David Hobbes who is of the saem opinion: Montoya slashed across in a dangerous fashion and then jumped on the brakes, causing the accident.

[Sato 0]

Its not the job of the one infront to brake when the driver behind wants them too....

Monteiro should of been ready to brake. Its like saying if someone is having to brake earlier due to tyre or brake problems later in a race, and someone is trying to get close to make a move, and they run into the back of them in a braking zone, that its the driver infront at fault, when clearly thus would not be the case.

Slower cars are to be seen but not felt.

[bajo39 0]

Its not the job of the one infront to brake when the driver behind wants them too....

Monteiro should of been ready to brake. Its like saying if someone is having to brake earlier due to tyre or brake problems later in a race, and someone is trying to get close to make a move, and they run into the back of them in a braking zone, that its the driver infront at fault, when clearly thus would not be the case.

Slower cars are to be seen but not felt.

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Monteiro did not alter his line and nor should he have as Montoya appeared set to pass him on the inside - he should have done exactly that and there would not have been a problem. Instead, the Columbian slashed accross his nose and was immediately heavy onto the brakes, locking up. I don't see how Monteiro was supposed to avoid this?

[Sato 0]

Montoya wasn't locking up........... So your saying if someone rams you from behind, because u have to brake earlier its not their fault?

[bajo39 0]

Montoya wasn't locking up........... So your saying if someone rams you from behind, because u have to brake earlier its not their fault?

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I thought Montoya locked a wheel, are you sure he did not?

You have confused my words... Montoya cut accross when he should not have (and was not expected to) and immediately was heavy on the brakes a few meters ahead of another car. That is stupid but in that way typical of the Columbian.

[Sato 0]

Whats the difference, between this, and making a move on someone on the same lap down the straight, and moving back onto your line, to make sure you don't mess up the corner? If They were fighting for position would it be different?

[bajo39 0]

Whats the difference, between this, and making a move on someone on the same lap down the straight, and moving back onto your line, to make sure you don't mess up the corner? If They were fighting for position would it be different?

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If they were fighting for position, Monteiro would expect Montoya to cut him off but since they where not, Monteiro rightly expected the Columbian to stay on his inside line through the corner. This is what the drivers had apparently discussed on several occasions during drivers' briefings.

[zippy 0]

the stupid thing about the move was tht JPM had 8 seconds on FA at the time. He could of stayed behind TM for a few more corners if he wanted too. Just a bit impatient I think.

[Sato 0]

If they were fighting for position, Monteiro would expect Montoya to cut him off but since they where not, Monteiro rightly expected the Columbian to stay on his inside line through the corner.  This is what the drivers had apparently discussed on several occasions during drivers' briefings.

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Aren't the drivers meant to be concentrating at all times? if so Monteiro would of seen him come and across and quite rightly been ready to brake at any moment. IT doesn't matter if he is on the same lap, 1 behind, or 50 behind.

[funkejay 0]

Errr, he had a flatspotted tyre and a damaged diffuser, which are both extremely hard to guage and handle in high speed corners, bnoth of these caused by the TM incident....

And Michael didn't cut across a lapped car to early, he just turned in where he shouldn't have.

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No JPM's RF tire was flat spotted well before the TM incident on lap 56. They showed it from the on board camera a few laps before JPM lapped TM. But that's not what took JPM off of Turn 8, it was the damage to his diffuser, which is responsible for more than 50% of the total downforce at the rear of a modern F1 car. Damage that, and you'd better be prepared for a massive loss of traction.

JPM went off (as I recall) on the very next lap (lap 57) when he came to Turn 8.

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Montoya said the incident reminded him of the 2001 Brazilian Grand Prix, also an anti-clockwise circuit, which he led until Dutch driver Jos Verstappen hit the rear of his Williams just after being lapped.

"He did just a bit like what Verstappen did to me a few years back. I did the first few corners fine then went into turn eight and had no rear grip and I could not keep on line," said the Colombian, who finished third and set the fastest lap.

"He just hit me completely and broke all the diffuser....It was a bit of a shame because we were looking really good for the constructors' championship with a one-two but we still scored good points."

Monteiro could not remember the Brazilian race but said Montoya should at least have learned from the experience.

"If it was the same, then maybe he should know that you don't go back in front of someone when you've just overtaken him because the guy behind loses downforce completely," he said.

"I was braking and nothing was happening."

[nojvnof1 0]

50-50 in my view. Monteiro should have gone off line to allow JPM through and should have slowed more, whilst JPM was dumb to cross over so late. Both played their own part in this fiasco. The only reason I'm bugged about this is because I had JPM 2nd in my PPP!!!

[Stub-o-matic 0]

I don't think you should expect TM to go off-line on the entrance to that corner...on the exit, yes.

Also, drivers say that the current rules make it difficult to pass, due to the downforce that is lost whilst behind another car...wouldn't that imply that you can't brake either? Shouldn't JPM, or an intelligent driver, be aware of this?