Whose Fault

[nojvnof1 0]

TM should have gone off line before that corner i.e. lifted off on the straight off line

[cavallino 2]

as much as I'd love to castigate montoya, I think its the other monty this time.

[Fed up 0]

If you had listened to Ron's interview immediate after the race he mentioned that JPM was having to brake early for the corners due to the flat spot on his tyres. It is obvious to all that he should have remained on the inside line, once he had overtaken Monteiro rather than return to the racing line and brake as hard as he did, mindful that TM was behind him.

What's to say that he was not brake testing TM as he did with RS(monaco) -

JPM has not been vociferous in his condemnation of TM, so that tells me that he knows he shouldn't have put himself in a position where a back marker could run in to him.

TM was partly to blame, but JPM had enough of a lead to bide his time.

[JayStorm 0]

50/50 also.

Monteiro should have been used to being lapped by now, he clearly couldn't predict what Montoya was going to do.

Montoya made the error of rushing the overtaking move and could have afforded to wait untill further in the lap.

JS.

[Oli 1]

Montoya could have and should have waited. Monteiro was at fault but Montoya should never have allowed himself to be vulnerable.

[schumi13 0]

Montoya could have and should have waited. Monteiro was at fault but Montoya should never have allowed himself to be vulnerable.

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The front runner is always entitled to the racing line. I think the back markers should get of it where it is safe to do so to let them though (even run of the tarmaced escape road like Sato did in quali with Webber). Montoya had every right to take back to the racing line.

[Oli 1]

I agree he had every right to. But he should have been aware of the potential for the no-hopers to make mistakes. It was a risk he was under no pressure to take.

[schumi13 0]

I agree he had every right to. But he should have been aware of the potential for the no-hopers to make mistakes. It was a risk he was under no pressure to take.

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Yes but to me it seemed a pressurized move as the team must have been telling him Alonso was catching up and Alonso must have been told that Montoya is slowing down a bit so it does show Alonso is a real racer like Kimi but if this turns out to be true, it will be McLaren's fault.

[Oli 1]

Could be. Depends on the information he was given I guess. But I would have expected him to know that FA was a decent way behind.

[Fed up 0]

As TM said, JPM should have learned his lesson having had a similar crash with Jos the Boss - JPM was losing time to FA and made a rash decision when overtaking TM.

JPM has form when it comes to making poor decisions in the heat of battle.

[Stub-o-matic 0]

I thought these were the greatest drivers in the world? How is it that the ability to pass lapped traffic has become a lost skill?

New rule to be instituted by the GPMA in 2007:

"If you are passed by the leader(s) and not on the lead lap, you must leave the track immediately and go directly to the pits/garage."

[Senna 0]

I changed it, due to Senna bagging him out all the time, in fact before that i wasn't really even a support of him. I really started supporting him, because i felt he was copping more then he deserved.

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That is a pathetic reason to support a driver!

[Sato 0]

Im sure you have better reasons for following Button.....

'He is the greatest driver to ever grace this planet, and he is british, why shoul i not support him! Sato crashes hahahahaha [insert 50 pics of Sato crashes (many doubles)]'

Note: Thats a guess at Senna's reply.

[Wez 0]

The Jordans are so slow they should move on the gravel in future to allow the quick cars to pass

Montiero is a muppet, definately his fault (and thats from a Renault fan!)

Although make no mistake, I was delightted with the outcome of his stuff up!

[bajo39 0]

"If you are passed by the leader(s) and not on the lead lap, you must leave the track immediately and go directly to the pits/garage." 

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[Vicky 0]

The Jordans are so slow they should move on the gravel in future to allow the quick cars to pass

Montiero is a muppet, definately his fault (and thats from a Renault fan!)

Although make no mistake, I was delightted with the outcome of his stuff up!

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I agree! It was Monteiro's fault! And the only my thought at that moment was how to kill him!!! I was very angry!

And I say it like McLaren's fan!

[schumi13 0]

I agree! It was Monteiro's fault! And the only my thought at that moment was how to kill him!!! I was very angry! 

And I say it like McLaren's fan! 

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I don't understand why people think it was Montoya's fault, he is an extremely talented driver and what Monteiro did was pathetic. But then again think back to Austria 2001 where Montoya made an over optimistic move on Schumacher taking them both on to the gravel. It may have no correspondance but Webber's move was similar to Montoya's.

[Vicky 0]

I don't understand why people think it was Montoya's fault, he is an extremely talented driver and what Monteiro did was pathetic. But then again think back to Austria 2001 where Montoya made an over optimistic move on Schumacher taking them both on to the gravel. It may have no correspondance but Webber's move was similar to Montoya's.

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I don't know about that accident in Austria 2001. I saw this rase. And Monteiro wasn't right! I don't get why a lot of people consider that it was Juan's fault either!

[bajo39 0]

[quote name='nojvnof1' date='Aug 22 2005, 05:18 AM']TM should have gone off line before that corner i.e. lifted off on the straight off line
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I think he did lift off...

[bajo39 0]

I don't understand why people think it was Montoya's fault, he is an extremely talented driver and what Monteiro did was pathetic. But then again think back to Austria 2001 where Montoya made an over optimistic move on Schumacher taking them both on to the gravel. It may have no correspondance but Webber's move was similar to Montoya's.

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Montoya is very talented but he is not very smart and frequently makes mistakes.

[schumi13 0]

I don't know about that accident in Austria 2001. I saw this rase. And Monteiro wasn't right! I don't get why a lot of people consider that it was Juan's fault either!

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They never touched though; Michael just had to take avoiding action whilst Montoya went terribly wide and rejoined the race.

[5P33D3V1L 0]

Didnt he kinda do this before in monaco but he came away ok while causing a huge accident and in brazil Vestappen hit him from behind and later he sed he missed the brake pedal at first. Montoya must have a sign on the back of his car saying "Hit Me" i swear.

[schumi13 0]

Didnt he kinda do this before in monaco but he came away ok while causing a huge accident and in brazil Vestappen hit him from behind and later he sed he missed the brake pedal at first. Montoya must have a sign on the back of his car saying "Hit Me" i swear.

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Whatever the reason we do not Williams took 'decisive' action and put a sign saying 'mind your distance' a race later. It certainly worked and Ralf won his first race for the team in Imola 2001.

[Diesel 0]

Montoya had right of way since he was lapping Montiero, therefore Montiero should have got out of the way. But Montoya decided to go down the inside instead. Fair enough, but now he has compromised his racing line and whole run out of the next corner and up the straight, so he needs to get back on line otherwise Montiero is going to just cruise back passed on the straight anyway. He moves back on line, a little late but it wasn't as fast as alot of you are making out. They both come into the braking area and Monty is taking it easy on the brakes because he can't afford to make that flat spot worse and he has impaired visibility. Montiero on the other hand tends to just slam the brakes on at the last minute (he did it to villenueve a few races back, but he was infront that time). With the reduced amount of downforce due to the dirty air (its not a huge reduction though, its not like the front end its lefting off the floor!) Montiero locks up and smashes into the back of Montoya.

Montoya needed a decent run into that straight, the Renaults were extremely fast in a straight line and Montoya could have lost quite alot of time if he got stuck behind montiero or stayed off line. I think the blame is more on Montiero's doorstep, Montoya could have been a bit more patient. But don't forget he was probably exausted, and he had been driving around with a flat spot for some time which causes a alot of vibration.

[Fed up 0]

Montoya had right of way since he was lapping Montiero, therefore Montiero should have got out of the way. But Montoya decided to go down the inside instead. Fair enough, but now he has compromised his racing line and whole run out of the next corner and up the straight, so he needs to get back on line otherwise Montiero is going to just cruise back passed on the straight anyway. He moves back on line, a little late but it wasn't as fast as alot of you are making out. They both come into the braking area and Monty is taking it easy on the brakes because he can't afford to make that flat spot worse and he has impaired visibility. Montiero on the other hand tends to just slam the brakes on at the last minute (he did it to villenueve a few races back, but he was infront that time). With the reduced amount of downforce due to the dirty air (its not a huge reduction though, its not like the front end its lefting off the floor!) Montiero locks up and smashes into the back of Montoya.

Montoya needed a decent run into that straight, the Renaults were extremely fast in a straight line and Montoya could have lost quite alot of time if he got stuck behind montiero or stayed off line. I think the blame is more on Montiero's doorstep, Montoya could have been a bit more patient. But don't forget he was probably exausted, and he had been driving around with a flat spot for some time which causes a alot of vibration.

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You write a lot of sense in your post.