Jb Pays

[ksajoe 0]

why is it that williams are always changing their chassis' and always correcting things like last year and the walrus and making too many mistakes. They only did well in a few races because bar and many others weren't up to speed yet!

As Ferrari have proved, even the best can get it horribly wrong. Though William's slump is now bordering on the ridiculous! Having Mark Webber doesn't help either.

[KoolMonkey 0]

koolmonkey, you clearly havent watched the 2005 season. If you have, then your dislike of Button as a person has entirely clouded your ability to recognize a top driver when you see one.

Not so jem. While I don't pretend to like the guy I do agree he's in the top 5 as far as drivers go. This was said by me in a previous post. But to then go to title contender and so on is only continuing on the whole BAR "we're gonna be fast, gonna win the race" tripe we've all heard before. I'd be happy for JB to prove me wrong, but you're gonna find very few if any peeps who believe he's gonna be a WDC anytime soon.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

All f1 drivers talk up their own chances pre-season, whats your problem with that? I expect you were also one of the people on here who then criticised him for saying mid-season that BAR won't win a race this year. There's no pleasing Button-haters. Given one of the best cars, I believe he has the potentital to become wdc. It takes consistentcy, which Button certainly has, and speed

[KoolMonkey 0]

No comments from me about anything mid-season concerning Button, must have been someone else. I'm not a Button hater, but someone who hasn't bought into his "greatness" just yet.

Any driver, even Sato with one of the best cars could potentially become WDC. It's not impossible. As much as I loathe Schumi he did help bring about Ferrari with many years spent working on the car, getting their team together before Ferrari bored many to tears lol. Button has that same opportunity now with Honda and some very big money. It's no more excuses time. Granted 2006 is a transitional year with the new engines, but if he hasn't done or won anything by 2007 then are you still gonna be Jenson groupie lol? I'll let his performances or lack of them speak for themselves. The same goes for Webber too.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

I never said Button is 'great' - that title in f1 is reserved for the best of the best. Considering Button has been driving consistently brilliantly since he drastically improved during 2003, I think its highly unlikely that 2006 will show a lack of good performances. I fail to see how you can expect him to under-perform when throughout 2004 and 2005 he has driven so well. Everyone in f1 seems to notice! You have to admit Barrichello is going to have to be at his absolute best if he is giong to consistently challenge or be ahead of JB. That BAR, when driven by JB, doest look like it could go any faster

[Jenson_Rules 0]

Here I go...

Why the **** does everyone keep slagging off Button,what is all your problem with him, what is that makes you hate him so much. Hes not a bad person and he wants the best for himself so he can be succesful, somthing EVERY driver desires. He is not the only driver to be slightly arrogant and i say fair play to the guy, everyone needs to have confidence in themselves! Leave the guy alone, he payed to get out a contract so he didnt become a nobody, whats wrong with that, **** honoring a contract like that! How can you attack a guy who simply wants what he feels is best for him and his career! **** all you twats, the only reason you slag him off is because hes a nice guy and a really good racer and the fact you like to get at us button fans, thats not fair so **** OFF!

Oh and if BAR do make a very very good car next year and he wins the championship, ill be the first one to rub it in! And this is not unlikely! Again the reason you regard BAR as not a championship challenging team is because you simply dont like them/button/nick fry! Well **** you all, you are all incredibly thick if you think like this! Well lets just wait and see shall we!

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Well said Jenson_Rules!! The ONLY place I see or hear JB getting put down is on this forum. I don't understand they he is so disliked - it because their fave drivers are pants and they don't want to accept that JB is 1 of the best? All they ever go on about is 'never won a race' - so when he does win a race, they're all going to look like a bunch of idiots, and I can't wait. And people saying "Oh I really hope BAR get thrashed next year" why? what have BAR ever done to harm anyone??

[KoolMonkey 0]

Well said Jenson_Rules!! The ONLY place I see or hear JB getting put down is on this forum. I don't understand they he is so disliked - it because their fave drivers are pants and they don't want to accept that JB is 1 of the best? All they ever go on about is 'never won a race' - so when he does win a race, they're all going to look like a bunch of idiots, and I can't wait. And people saying "Oh I really hope BAR get thrashed next year" why? what have BAR ever done to harm anyone??

*cough* you're kidding right !? I think people don't like being told this guy is the best when his record don't show that. I'm all for eating humble pie if he does win a WDC and so on, but stop shoving it down my neck and saying i'm a Button bigot when others point out a few facts. Fact #1, he hasn't won Sh#t. Fact #2 he hasn't won Sh#t. Fact #3, he hasn't won Sh#t. Blame, the car, blame the contract, blame his girlfriend, he still hasn't won Sh#t. So stop pretending to be offended and claiming to be the correct minority who only see things the right way. Button is a good driver, and most if not all people will agree with that. His integrity is a different subject and is suspect. He's still skilled but so ****ing what. There have been many skilled drivers who have not had the chance or what it takes to be the very best. He's close but he aint there yet. Phone Jenson's Groupies Anonymous and tell them about your woes, cause it's falling on deaf ears here. *LOUD NOISES*

[Jenson_Rules 0]

**** off koolmonkey you piece of turd!

we have heard it all before. we know hes won jack Sh#t, when have we ever denied that, but is it just me or has jenson only had 1 car in his whole racing career that was able to win a race (eventhough he couldnt because of the ferrari being reliable and far better car)! It isnt fair you always using that one fact that he hast won a race! Boo hoo, dosnt mean hes crap does it, or dosnt mean hes not very good and deserves all the critisizm he gets by you fools!

[Jem of the Shire 0]

koolmonkey continues to base his whole opinion on whether a driver has won a race or not, which is pretty narrow-minded and does not sound like someone who really knows much about f1. Sure, Button's not won a race. But he's come very close on quite a few occasions (which you can surely agree on), and, like I said before, if fate had been slightly different he could've won a few races by now. And by winning a race, in your mind, that suddenly makes you a good driver

[KoolMonkey 0]

Jenson, go do some pilates or drink a latte or something. It's fine for you to swear at people and so on but another when it's dished back at you. I don't recall myself or anyone else telling you to ****off, so why do you feel it's right to treat others that way.

jem, yes I'd have to say he has been close on a few occasions to winning a race. But even Ralf has won races and personally I don't rate him higher than Jenson. Nor do I rate Trulli higher than Jenson. Heck even a Jordan won a race a year or 2 back. Jenson is a better driver but the fact remains he hasn't won a race yet. If he is one of the best, then when do you think we as race fans will start to truly see this. For me I saw 2 very good passing moves from him at Spa. JV for one and another that I forget. Maybe he is starting to get that fire in his racing that I think he's lacked. I don't think he's one of the best currently. Nor have I said he's total crap. He's a good driver, even a very good driver. But WDC champion is a whole different ballgame.

One thing you have to consider this as well. Most of this "greatness" of late was prob based off his performances in 2004. When he was at Renault was anyone on here defending him like we see now? I don't think so. So what changed at BAR. Well they had a good car, no doubt, but also the rest of the field was abysmal, atrocious and a downright joke. Had McLaren and Williams been performaning on par with how we know they can (I'm not talking winning races, here, I mean not coming in 18th and blowing engines, oh wait that's happening this year too lol), then it's probable BAR would not have finished 2nd. I'm more than sure that if Flavio had not had his troubles with Trulli, Renault would have easily gotten 2nd in the contructors (cue the people who say it was JV's fault lol). It's probable that some of Buttons 2nd places would have been 5ths, 4ths, 3rds etc. You have to make do with what you got at the time you got it. And for me things could not have been more suited to BAR than 2004. Yet they still did not win a race. Now that McLaren have a rocket of a car, Renault are flying and Toyota are getting faster, I can't see a year like 2004 happening again for BAR.

I do know a few things about F1. I've been following it for years. I'm not an encyclopedia by any means but I'm not stupid either. 2004 was ripe for the picking for BAR and they didn't make the most of it. We know Sato is rubbish. Button is a better driver. What I question is his judgement and am no convinsed he is one of the best drivers in F1 today. He might be building into a great driver, but time will tell. His record does not show that. Time is on his side and he's got a comfy gig at BAR now. But a year from now, 2 years from now and the knives will be out for him.

[Jenson_Rules 0]

I have every right to swear at you if i want! Dont ever tell me what I can or can't do! Your no better than me so dont talk to me like im below you and a piece of dirt!

On what you said, your saying the renault basically was a better car, so why didnt FA win a race last year going on that basis, and evreybody loves him! he was actuially beaten by trulli last year before flav started attacking trulli (prob cos he was showing alonso up!)

Why do you all regard BAR as not capable, they have arguably the best engine, and some of the best personnel in their team, they can get it right its just a case of will they, i would never write them off!

[kenneth 0]

Since JV left what did BAR achieved nothing , not a ****in single win...., Sato JV replacement what a shame , so good job DR you ****ed up..... ,

good job BAR it's been how many years with JB 3 4 don't know and still not a ****in win , so my answers is not JV fault salary etc.... but BAR .....

cheers mates.

[Senna 0]

Well said Jenson_Rules!! The ONLY place I see or hear JB getting put down is on this forum. I don't understand they he is so disliked - it because their fave drivers are pants and they don't want to accept that JB is 1 of the best? All they ever go on about is 'never won a race' - so when he does win a race, they're all going to look like a bunch of idiots, and I can't wait. And people saying "Oh I really hope BAR get thrashed next year" why? what have BAR ever done to harm anyone??

Indeed.

Since JV left what did BAR achieved nothing , not a ****in single win...., Sato JV replacement what a shame , so good job DR you ****ed up..... ,

Actually BAR

[nojvnof1 0]

I think they both have what it takes to win. I'm positive that even if I hated Jenson as a person, I'd still see that he's been unlucky not to win so far. He came 2nd four times last year - if the leader had retired in any of those 4 races, Button would have won. Agreed?

well he was very unlucky not to win in Germany last year, but until he wins he and everyone else won't know if he has what it takes to win. All we know is that given the correct circumstances he can fight for the win.

JV knows how to win (well, he