First Words From Jv After His First Test

[narain fan 0]

VILLENEUVE POSITIVE ABOUT V8S

Friday, 09, December, 2005, 11:04

Jacques Villeneuve said he is quite happy with Formula 1

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Well thats a good sign. I got worried after Zonta's comments a while ago

[narain fan 0]

Well thats a good sign. I got worried after Zonta's comments a while ago

I Will take JV'S word over ZONTA'S ,ANYDAY...

[Wez 0]

I Will take JV'S word over ZONTA'S ,ANYDAY...

O YEAH!!!

[pumpdoc 2]

I Will take JV'S word over ZONTA'S ,ANYDAY...

Indeed..........

[bajo39 0]

Villeneuve believes that the V8s might actually make the racing more exciting for spectators.

[narain fan 0]

[quote name='bajo39' post='89908' date='Dec 9 2005, 10:36 PM']Wouldn't there be more 'tow' if the cars were going faster?[/quote]
my understanding of the new regs is,the new cars will be more aero efficient compared to the previous one,and with lower horse power and a narrower rev band and tyre changes reintroduced there is bound to be what is called "surplus grip",so compared to this year the car set up will be more "trimmed out"
hence more tow............

[Max Mosley 2]

Hmm, I would have thought so too Dan. If they are going slower then they will experience the tow for longer of course and if the acceleration isn't as high then they will start from less far behind on the straights.

[Senna 0]

Hmm, I would have thought so too Dan. If they are going slower then they will experience the tow for longer of course and if the acceleration isn't as high then they will start from less far behind on the straights.

[bajo39 0]

Hmm, I would have thought so too Dan. If they are going slower then they will experience the tow for longer of course and if the acceleration isn't as high then they will start from less far behind on the straights.

I suppose... If we really wanted passing we would need to increase the length of the braking zones though and that could be done by regulating (safer) steel brakes but I suppose that is too low-tech for F1.

[pumpdoc 2]

I suppose... If we really wanted passing we would need to increase the length of the braking zones though and that could be done by regulating (safer) steel brakes but I suppose that is too low-tech for F1.

Drafting(tow) is relitive, the more that the car in the trail position has left in rpm's the more he can pull out and slingshot past, for this I would hope they keep the current brake(carbon-carbon) system.........

[bajo39 0]

Drafting(tow) is relitive, the more that the car in the trail position has left in rpm's the more he can pull out and slingshot past, for this I would hope they keep the current brake(carbon-carbon) system.........

This isn't NASCAR Bruce...

F1 Passing is done in the braking zones and the longer the braking zone the easier it would be to get a passing maneouvor right. Furthermore, the more drag the cars have, the more drag-savings there is for the car behind on a straight hence the larger the advantage it would have. If cars generated zero drag (impossible), there would be zero 'tow' (drag savings).

Of course, going through a corner, this same drag savings is a negative because the car in front takes downforce (proportional to drag) from the front wing of the car behind generating washout and this makes it impossible to follow closely through a corner and out on to the straight to get in the tow again. The latter is effect (the negative of high-drag cars) is apparently more important with respect to passing because it is the premise of the proposed 2007-spec aero regulations.

[pumpdoc 2]

No it isn't NASCAR, but I don't consider passing in cornors a result of tow, it seems to me to be more of a grip deal like you point out, but passing on the straights has a lot to do with what the driver has in reserve, but as long as the rules proclude close runnig to the car infront there will still be but a rare pass on track....

[bajo39 0]

No it isn't NASCAR, but I don't consider passing in cornors a result of tow, it seems to me to be more of a grip deal like you point out, but passing on the straights has a lot to do with what the driver has in reserve, but as long as the rules proclude close runnig to the car infront there will still be but a rare pass on track....

Well there is hardly ever passing in corners precisely because of the aforementioned 'tow' effect whereby the leading car breaks the wind for the following car, which then experiences less drag (why it can faster down straights) and less downforce (why it cannot follow closely through the corners without understeering badly).

[AutoRacer5 0]

O YEAH!!!

Oh Yeah!

[jimmyk 0]

Well there is hardly ever passing in corners precisely because of the aforementioned 'tow' effect whereby the leading car breaks the wind for the following car, which then experiences less drag (why it can faster down straights) and less downforce (why it cannot follow closely through the corners without understeering badly).

I have been racking my brain about whether less hp and same aero will provide more overtaking opportunities in 06, and after reading JVs comments, I came up with this--- less terminal speed and less accelleration with same mid corner and corner exit speed, would have to allow deeper braking....this may diminish the 'Concertina Effect'.....I hope i managed to explain it how i thought it!!

[narain fan 0]

I have been racking my brain about whether less hp and same aero will provide more overtaking opportunities in 06, and after reading JVs comments, I came up with this--- less terminal speed and less accelleration with same mid corner and corner exit speed, would have to allow deeper braking....this may diminish the 'Concertina Effect'.....I hope i managed to explain it how i thought it!!

Yes ,the breaking zones will be much ,much lesser...but there would be an adjustment,as i told u earlier,

the engineers will work out above which level,the downforce generated has lesser and lesser significance in the breaking zone ,and accordingly trim out the settings,

i would like to mention here,fisichella's example at spa ,for what a trimmed out setup is...............

[jimmyk 0]

Yes ,the breaking zones will be much ,much lesser...but there would be an adjustment,as i told u earlier,

the engineers will work out above which level,the downforce generated has lesser and lesser significance in the breaking zone ,and accordingly trim out the settings,

i would like to mention here,fisichella's example at spa ,for what a trimmed out setup is...............

The phrase "Enjoy your flight" springs to mind...

As there will be less of a braking zone and less signifcance on downforce, would it be fair to predict mechanical grip will become of more importance? If so, suspension and tyre development are going to make building a quick 2006 car bloody expensive...

[narain fan 0]

The phrase "Enjoy your flight" springs to mind...

As there will be less of a braking zone and less signifcance on downforce, would it be fair to predict mechanical grip will become of more importance? If so, suspension and tyre development are going to make building a quick 2006 car bloody expensive...

make no mistake,the emphasis on max downforce with least drag is as important as ever...

also,yeah tyre development and testing costs are going to skyrocket...

[F1 FANatic 1]

this same drag savings is a negative because the car in front takes downforce (proportional to drag) from the front wing of the car behind generating washout and this makes it impossible to follow closely through a corner

i have always wondered if the teams ever tried to adg a kind of winglet or bargeboard that would not creat too much drad for the car it was mounted on but would disturb the airflow behind it enough to make it much harder to pass the car

so it would have the same effect as the back wing but it would not add downforce so the car really creats more turbulance than if it just had the back wing, anybody get what im saying?

[nojvnof1 0]

well if nothing else, it seems JV is having a bit of fun behind the wheel. Thankfully he has improved his pace markedly over his Thursday run and ended up in P7, about .7 or so off the fastest V8, which was Rosberg. Good for the morale of both himself and the team if nothing else.

[bajo39 0]

Yes ,the breaking zones will be much ,much lesser...but there would be an adjustment,as i told u earlier,

the engineers will work out above which level,the downforce generated has lesser and lesser significance in the breaking zone ,and accordingly trim out the settings,

i would like to mention here,fisichella's example at spa ,for what a trimmed out setup is...............

What in the hell are you talking about?

The braking zones will be slightly shorter not much shorter as you say.

[narain fan 0]

What in the hell are you talking about?

The braking zones will be slightly shorter not much shorter as you say.

compared to this year(single tyre) v10 engine... and aero improvements(assumption)

it will be shorter... (obviously slightly from the viever's point of view),i mean, we wont even know with the naked eye, but it is an appretiable difference for the drivers

[narain fan 0]

This is my transltion:

According to Pedro de la Rosa and Frank Montagny, the V8 will affect the following season as follows:

Straights (top speed)

PDLR:They are slower, but since you have less power, you reduce the back wing and remove downforce to get the car going looser. They are around 15 or 20 km/h less.

FM: They are around 20 km/h less. It