Webber Wonders What The Hell Ferrari Think They're Playing At

[Jem of the Shire 0]

thats lame. With ANY win with any driver you could post a list like that for why other 21 drivers didnt win. And if other drivers struggled with their tyres or crashed, why should JB be discredited? Honda may not have got Rubens strategy right but he was nowhere near jensons level in the race anyway

[ykickamoocow 0]

thats lame. With ANY win with any driver you could post a list like that for why other 21 drivers didnt win. And if other drivers struggled with their tyres or crashed, why should JB be discredited? Honda may not have got Rubens strategy right but he was nowhere near jensons level in the race anyway

Hungary was a rare situation where half the drivers had no chance of winning as they were on the wrong tyre. The fastest Bridgestone driver was Ralf and he came 6th. It is alot easier to win when so many drivers have problems which are out of their control. I hold this win in the same vein as Fisichella's win in the Brazilian GP in 2003.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

no, in 2003 many drivers got caught out by a big puddle at turn 3, and fisi happened to be leading when the race was stopped, other drivers such as DC (who probably would've won) had pitted.

My opinion is that your comparison is ridiculous. Fighting from 14th to the front and then winning by almost 40 seconds from a mclaren is not the same as getting a fluke win from being in the lead when the race is stopped. I am surprised by your failure to see a faultless drive. Most of the world sees it, except you!

[JayStorm 0]

He said what we're all thinking I think. Brilliant stuff.

I think it's definately helping Massa more than kimi, if anyone.

I'd rather see Michael take ayear out.

[ykickamoocow 0]

no, in 2003 many drivers got caught out by a big puddle at turn 3, and fisi happened to be leading when the race was stopped, other drivers such as DC (who probably would've won) had pitted.

My opinion is that your comparison is ridiculous. Fighting from 14th to the front and then winning by almost 40 seconds from a mclaren is not the same as getting a fluke win from being in the lead when the race is stopped. I am surprised by your failure to see a faultless drive. Most of the world sees it, except you!

Watch this video.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/139086/austr...rising_victory/

If Jenson Button was a speed skater he woould be just like the guy who won this race.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

like i said before, its useless arguing with you about JB cos even if JB qualified 1st and dominated a race you still wouldnt give any credit at all! So lets go back to Webber. I used to not like him but im beginning to like the way he talks, its not the typical robot response that you'd get from many other drivers

[pumpdoc 2]

Success can be determained in 2 ways.

1. Money that is earned per year and in this case Webber is well ahead of any of us or

2. As a racing driver he has reached the highest level possible for a racing driver which also shows success as it isnt a easy thng to do.

Well then, you must consider Ide a success, after all he was an F1 driver.

[ykickamoocow 0]

Well then, you must consider Ide a success, after all he was an F1 driver.

But he didnt get in through talent. It would be like you getting a job as boss of the UN simply becasue you have slept with have the world leaders. You will have gained the position but for all the wrong reasons (i just realised that what i just said was a really disturbing example )

[rumblestrip 0]

Watch this video.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/139086/austr...rising_victory/

If Jenson Button was a speed skater he woould be just like the guy who won this race.

[Loser Boy 0]

Webber is off the Mark with what he said. I don't find any reason why Kimi should be affected in a negative way by a guy who's come to help him.

[F1 FANatic 1]

man, i had to hold onto my chair to not fall down laughing at that one ykick, great comparison

[dribbler 6]

I am deeply hurt. Jensons victory was 1 of the drives of the season. And he did have competition, but he overtook them all

May i inerpret for you..

I am deeply hurt; "I'll get over it"

Jensons victory was one of the drives of the season; "Jenson had a crap car again. The only way he was going to win was if he got lucky"

And he did have competition, but he overtook them all "Michael's tyres were sh*t and Fernando couldn't keep his nuts on. Otherwise he would have been third, again"

[Max Mosley 2]

Webber is off the Mark with what he said.

[danktrees 0]

then winning by almost 40 seconds from a mclaren

please stop bringing this up as 1. pedro sucks 2. due to pedro's crappiness he was held behind schumacher for many laps when he should have been able to pass him easily. this alone caused over 15 of the 35 seconds he ended up behind jenson.

secondly u know the race is screwed up when pedro gets a podium. by reaching 2nd place that race, he tied his career totals in points with that one finish. that basically shows u how screwed up that race was. jenson drove like he normally drives and happened to chance upon a win under retarded conditions that saw all competition wiped out. if pedro was his closest competition then that was not a challenging race. mclaren or no mclaren, pedro sucks.

[stopkidding 0]

Watch this video.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/139086/austr...rising_victory/

If Jenson Button was a speed skater he woould be just like the guy who won this race.

that was awesome ykick, today I name you as my favourite forum poster Go DC!

But Button did deserve that win....wet races are know for their attrition, its takes the best to stay out of trouble and be in the front..

[goferrarigo 0]

And he did have competition, but he overtook them all "Michael's tyres were sh*t and Fernando couldn't keep his nuts on. Otherwise he would have been third, again"

just reminds me of smethings....

nice video ykick. it kinda reminds me of button in 05 when his engine blew just a few 200 meters before the finsih line.

but u have to admit button's win was alucky win a good win but fully lucky.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

JB and alonso were just about the only 2 drivers that were flying around the track with ease whilst everyone else struggled. 'Bad tyres' is a pathetic excuse which could be used to explain ANY race win by any driver. Every race report i've seen by every journalist has described what an impressive victory it was, to me its plainly obvious. I really wonder what it takes for people to actually bring themselves to praise jenson for a job well done!

[Jem of the Shire 0]

if alonso had stayed on track and won the race, would people have called it a fluke? I highly doubt it, he'd be getting bummed left right and centre

[cavallino 2]

Even though we may soon see a quote from Todt saying 'webber should mind his own business' I must say I agree with webber's comments. i'm sure schuey can provide valuable input but it cant be nice for Kimi, who no doubt sees as himself at least just as good, if not better than Schumacher. And if Schuey has retired from the sport, why is he still hanging around at tests and the launch?? It seems that he really cant drag himself away, F1 is his whole life, must be like a drug for him!

Indeed, what possible use could a seven time world champion be to a team, what could a technically incompetent driver like Kimi learn from perhaps the most accomplished technical driver ever

Kimi can look at it as an intrusion, or he can use the oppurtunity to put his house in order. IF he refuses to learn, the loss is entirely his, and unfortunately Ferrari's.

[Autumnpuma 0]

Indeed, what possible use could a seven time world champion be to a team, what could a technically incompetent driver like Kimi learn from perhaps the most accomplished technical driver ever

Kimi can look at it as an intrusion, or he can use the oppurtunity to put his house in order. IF he refuses to learn, the loss is entirely his, and unfortunately Ferrari's.

Fine post, I agree 100%. For the sake of Ferrari and good racing in general I hope McRon was wrong when he said Kimi listens to no one. Kimi needs to learn from Ferrari and MS.

[dribbler 6]

Every race report i've seen by every journalist has described what an impressive victory it was, to me its plainly obvious. I really wonder what it takes for people to actually bring themselves to praise jenson for a job well done!

I guess winning on a consistent basis without perculiar circumstances would be a start. If Jenson's first victory had been won in this way as opposed to how he actuallywon, people would not be bringing the value of his victory into question.

When Michael used to win by a large margin, from out front with no competition; a lights to flag assault, people would say it was dull and as a spectacle it was. But as a demonstration of a car and driver dominating, it was ruthlessly impressive. Now, Jensons victory was impressive as a spectacle because it was an incident packed race with changeable conditions and a great example of a driver optimising his opportunities. Unfortunately though, as a demonstration of all conquering dominance it rated fairly lowly on my list. I want to see him do it again but in the way that Michael used to or indeed in the way that Fernando does now. Then and only then will us doubters be rightly silenced.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Indeed, what possible use could a seven time world champion be to a team, what could a technically incompetent driver like Kimi learn from perhaps the most accomplished technical driver ever

Kimi can look at it as an intrusion, or he can use the oppurtunity to put his house in order. IF he refuses to learn, the loss is entirely his, and unfortunately Ferrari's.

Let's just hope Ferrari give Kimi a competent car to compete, by the look of things in testing I'm getting just a tad worried, and he's already miles ahead of Massa....

[ykickamoocow 0]

Let's just hope Ferrari give Kimi a competent car to compete, by the look of things in testing I'm getting just a tad worried, and he's already miles ahead of Massa....

Adrian Newey didnt seem convinced that the changes Ferrari have made will make the car go faster so there is a chance this will be a weak year for Ferrari.

[aussief1 4]

Adrian Newey didnt seem convinced that the changes Ferrari have made will make the car go faster so there is a chance this will be a weak year for Ferrari.

Newey can only see so much, so I wouldn't really rate his opinion on the new Ferrari that highly. I say that with the up most respect for Newey, he would have forgotten more than all of us combined!!

I doubt Ferrari will have a weak year, Ferrari could continue with the 248F1 and I would still rate them as title contenders.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

lets face it only a fool would write off ferrari