pumpdoc 2 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Rubens, Rubens Rubens. You've scored more wins than many better drivers have. Be happy with that and bow out of the sport after this year. In other words, stick a fork in him, he's done. Blasphmey, Rubens was/is an excelent driver. Many a time when Schumi didn't have a handle on a set up for a race he nicked Rubens.......................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane2 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Rubens is a very good driver, but unfortunately I can't see him winning a WDC now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sato 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 I don't see where this thought of Rubens being good comes from? He is clearly average Just because he has a handful of wins and poles, and a bunch of podiums, doesn't mean he is good, just means he drove a Ferrari in the right years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Rubens certainly needs a drastic improvement this year or face the exit gate... the problem for Rubens is that due to his driving style, Button makes few mistakes (again famous last words - I can see many posts here being quoted at relevant times next season) and because Rubens is no fast egg over a racing distance, he can only seem to beat him when a mistake happens. With other drivers who make more mistakes that makes him look better, but when a driver is as smooth as Button... he needs to up his game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 I don't see where this thought of Rubens being good comes from? He is clearly average Just because he has a handful of wins and poles, and a bunch of podiums, doesn't mean he is good, just means he drove a Ferrari in the right years. A bold statement, to say the least, for a person carrying the names of Sato and Webber on his sig Seriously. all I can say in his defense is watch the old seasons. He drove for so many years it's easy to filter only the memories of his good (or bad) moments. He won't impress any anti-Rubens out there. But at leas you will see some of his finest moments, much like DC's. They have been in the sport for so darn long is hard not to respect them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kati 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Sh#t... I missed Nick's day... Anyways, I like Rubens quite a lot. Much more than Flipper. I like the fact he's quite realistic, even though I consider he had a mistake by leaving Ferrari (considering the reasons he gave). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Well Nick was only yesterday, so we can always extend it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kati 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 I'm not defending Nick here... He'll prove his value on track Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane2 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 I don't see where this thought of Rubens being good comes from? He is clearly average Just because he has a handful of wins and poles, and a bunch of podiums, doesn't mean he is good, just means he drove a Ferrari in the right years. Rich stuff coming from a sato fan lol. A guy can only drive the car he has, the honda didn't suit his style and thats why he didn't fit in too well, and I think thats more of a testiment to honda's crappy engineering (no offence Ben and Jem) than it is to ruben's driving ability I'm not defending Nick here... He'll prove his value on track Nick needs to get himself a seat with a frontrunning team really before he shows his best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goferrarigo 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Sh#t... I missed Nick's day... Anyways, I like Rubens quite a lot. Much more than Flipper. I like the fact he's quite realistic, even though I consider he had a mistake by leaving Ferrari (considering the reasons he gave). Agree with rubens mistake, he is good driver and i hope he beats button this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Rich stuff coming from a sato fan lol. A guy can only drive the car he has, the honda didn't suit his style and thats why he didn't fit in too well, and I think thats more of a testiment to honda's crappy engineering (no offence Ben and Jem) than it is to ruben's driving ability So when Rubens does badly it is the team, when he does well it isn't the team but Rubens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane2 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 No lol. He can make mistakes, I just know he is a better driver than his 2006 season showed. After 5 years at ferrari pretty understandable. And its no secret, a lot of people said during the year that the Honda was not overly user friendly, and was a hard car to set up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 No lol. He can make mistakes, I just know he is a better driver than his 2006 season showed. After 5 years at ferrari pretty understandable. And its no secret, a lot of people said during the year that the Honda was not overly user friendly, and was a hard car to set up. But Button managed to fit right in from the word go, as did Massa in the Ferrari which is equally not overly user friendly. Maybe Rubens is just getting too old and set in his way... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane2 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Button has been in the team since 2003? lol and if I remember rightly Massa didn't really straighten up till the second half of the season. It could be that, I just personally don't rate Honda's machinery and I think there is more to it than met the eye. I heard the Ferrari was a really easy car to set up when I was listening to ITV however Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Button has been in the team since 2003? lol and if I remember rightly Massa didn't really straighten up till the second half of the season. It could be that, I just personally don't rate Honda's machinery and I think there is more to it than met the eye.I heard the Ferrari was a really easy car to set up when I was listening to ITV however I said: "But Button managed to fit right in from the word go" Meaning, right from the start, not last year i.e. 2003 where he beat Jacques comfortably in his first season for the team when Jacques had been there for just as long as Button has now. Massa still managed to shine... Rubens didn't even at the end of the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sato 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 A bold statement, to say the least, for a person carrying the names of Sato and Webber on his sig Seriously. all I can say in his defense is watch the old seasons. He drove for so many years it's easy to filter only the memories of his good (or bad) moments. He won't impress any anti-Rubens out there. But at leas you will see some of his finest moments, much like DC's. They have been in the sport for so darn long is hard not to respect them. I've just watch the first 5 rounds of 99, which my memory has told me was Rubens best season, and whilst he has been goodish so far, he is being made to look a lot better by the inept Johnny Herbert. I don't see how its bold, or rich (as Shane said) for me to say it just because I'm a Sato fan, as I've never claimed Sato was the greatest driver or anything like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 I've just watch the first 5 rounds of 99, which my memory has told me was Rubens best season, and whilst he has been goodish so far, he is being made to look a lot better by the inept Johnny Herbert.I don't see how its bold, or rich (as Shane said) for me to say it just because I'm a Sato fan, as I've never claimed Sato was the greatest driver or anything like that. He was even better in the Jordan (just ask Schumi, he found himself many times watching RB's back of his car even though he was driving a much inferior car) And nevermind the Sato thing, I was just teasing you! (Btw, I do hope this is both Sato's and Webbo's year so worries) Oh, and I never meant that RB is the greatest driver at all, just consider that he could have achieved much more, given the right circumstances, something that most good F1 pilots never encountered. like Rubinho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Hmmm Jenson is the next driver... but I have to do it without bias... but these rose glasses go so well with my red dress... so don't blame me if it is all too sickly sweet, I'll try to stick to the facts of the matter i.e. he looks like a garden knome with his beard (incidently that's his 'bit' for the earth project - saves electricity by not continually shaving), has filed for a restraining order against James Allen and happens to be the best driver on the grid* *Well I did say I'd try. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Hmmm Jenson is the next driver... but I have to do it without bias... but these rose glasses go so well with my red dress... so don't blame me if it is all too sickly sweet, I'll try to stick to the facts of the matter i.e. he looks like a garden knome with his beard (incidently that's his 'bit' for the earth project - saves electricity by not continually shaving), has filed for a restraining order against James Allen and happens to be the best driver on the grid**Well I did say I'd try. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sato 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 He was even better in the Jordan (just ask Schumi, he found himself many times watching RB's back of his car even though he was driving a much inferior car)And nevermind the Sato thing, I was just teasing you! (Btw, I do hope this is both Sato's and Webbo's year so worries) Oh, and I never meant that RB is the greatest driver at all, just consider that he could have achieved much more, given the right circumstances, something that most good F1 pilots never encountered. like Rubinho. I know you didn't say Rubens was the best ever, I just meant that I never made claims of Sato being a great driver. It's my standard response to people who are quick to mention my forum name when talking about other drivers. I do remember him in the Jordan. I think the last race I watched recently was Canada 95. Still don't rate him in any car though, and least of all the Honda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 It's my standard This place has standards? No one told me about that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sato 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 If this place has standards, how the hell am I still here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 If this place has standards, how the hell am I still here? They lowered them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goferrarigo 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 When can we expect Buttons non baised summary of his one win??(in no of hrs/min please) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 0 Report post Posted March 10, 2007 When you've given me enough time to write it? Driver 16: Jenson Button Height: 181cm Weight: 69kg Teammate: Rubens Barrichello Races : 119 Victories : 1 Podiums : 15 Pole positions : 3 Fastest Laps : 0 Points : 223 Races finished in points : 57 Jenson Button made his Formula One debut for the Williams team in 2000 after being highly impressive in tests for both Prost and Williams in previous years. Button had a fairly strong season by a rookie's standard and showed some flashes of true potential, but was dropped by the Williams team at the end of the year. Williams stated this was because they were entering the last year on an option for Montoya, which turned out to be a mistake in the long run, but Frank wasn't the only one to make contract blips. In 2001 Button went to Benetton and raced alongside Fisichella, he had been consumed by his own hype and started to lack the maturity needed to be successful in Formula One and his driving on the track showed it. He was beaten by a massive margin by his team mate, but in 2002 when the team became Renault, and Jarno Trulli joined the team, he started to refocus again and had a strong season. Button's fluid, smooth style of driving shone through, but the package was lacking speed. 2003 saw him move to BAR alongside Jacques Villeneuve, who at first seemed to have no respect for Button, but over the course of the season earnt it while all Villeneuve could earn was the boot up his arse. In 2004 and 2005 he partnered Takuma Sato and convincingly beat him, but then again, who couldn't? It seemed the only thing Button couldn't achieve was a race victory and he couldn't go an interview without hearing the famous, "When will you win a race" question. In 2006, he answered his critics and finally won a race at Hungary 2006, this was despite an engine failure which demoted him ten places on the grid and after making no mistakes on race day, no one could begrudge him his victory (RHETORICAL!). In the last six races he scored higher than anyone else could, but will he ever manage to do that over an entire season? Has the contract debates hampered any future change of team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites