Iran Captures 15 British Sailors

[ykickamoocow 0]

this whole issue with the captured marines cant be that much of a huge deal cos it barely even made headline news last night

I didnt make the news hear at all.

[monza gorilla 1]

I might have, but I don't recall. If I did it was probably in response to someone else's sweeping generalisation.

PS: I corrected your spelling

Corrected your grammar.

[ykickamoocow 0]

Corrected your grammar.

English was never my forte but atleast i spell in the proper British way

[monza gorilla 1]

You do indeed. I've noticed that Mike tends to use British spelling in his posts. A Trojan horse perhaps?

[AutoRacer5 0]

It is important to get the perspective of the other group before judging them. Its something AutoRacer5 could do one day instead of making sweeping generalisations on a enitre religion.

Substitute the word country for religion, and the same could apply to many of us here.

Ben, you honestly believe that Iran's going to use nuclear energy for power? damn, I thought you were smarter than that.

[ykickamoocow 0]

Ben, you honestly believe that Iran's going to use nuclear energy for power? damn, I thought you were smarter than that.

Why not. That is the main use for nuclear technology these days.

[Shane2 0]

So what your saying is that we know nothing about you yet you know everything about us?

Nope not at all, but it is clear to me that is how the US government thinks. I have spoken to a lot of Americans about the war, and 3/4 of them seem to have this gung-ho aggressive attitude. Bush is just as much of a tyrant as saddam was, and people seem to have a hard time accepting that,

Again, you are compltely wrong. These kinda things have been happening only in countries where they are mostly uneducated. No where in sharia mentions that a woman should be hanged for being raped. The person who commits the crime is the one that has to be hanged or punished.

Islamic law is decided in countries by top islamist clerics, and a lot of countries in the middle east have been known to have women stoned (yes i did say stoned, not hanged read my post properly) when they have been raped. Islam has a very backwards and barbaric attitude to Crime and Punishment, and Muslim people are too stiff, and not willing to accept modern ideas.

If a person doesnt want to follow the religion, he is not compelled to follow. He/she is free to walk out of it. In countries like Britan where there are so many Muslims do tend to have a strong fate. where in Britan has a Muslim being hanged for walking out? Or atleast India.

What about the recent case in Afghanistan where they tried to have someone sentanced to death from converting to Islam to Christianity (in the end he was lucky to be deported with his life after western pressure was put on Afghanistan). Not all countries enforce it, but the point is that islam DOES say that apostacy is punishable by death, and thats the part I disagree with, it is backwards and allows for no freedom of choice.

But you are right about gays. If a person is gay he/she should just leave the society, (for their best interst). This is one of the main reason why in countries where they follow the religion properly(arab countries mainly) there are less STDs compared to others.

That just reinforces my point. I may not be gay, and I don't agree with it, but sentancing them to death. Thats just barbaric and wrong.

And tell me this, how often do you see see westerners walking through the streets burning the flags of islamic nations and saying "death to muslims" because thats something Muslims do on a regular basis both here and in our own countries. That is the intolerance i am talking about.

[ykickamoocow 0]

Every religion has fanatics. Look at this christian organisation know as the Westboro Church

www.godhatesfags.com

www.godhatesamerica.com

www.godhatessweden.com

These people are truly insane and its hard to think of a worse organisation in the entire world.

[Shane2 0]

I don't disagree with that at all, but that is the work of a few extremists, its not like that stuff actually gets passed into law like it does in Islamist countries.

[ykickamoocow 0]

I don't disagree with that at all, but that is the work of a few extremists, its not like that stuff actually gets passed into law like it does in Islamist countries.

My point is that some countries like Afganistan have got governments almost this fanatical and majority of the population probably doesnt agree with them. Imagine what a country would be like if it were run by the Westboro Church. Im sure some people would agree with their policies but majority of the population would think they are cracy.

[Shane2 0]

Dunno actually, most Afghanis follow the "we hate the west kill the infadels" crap, and a lot of them where also incensed about the bloke being saved from the apostacy hanging by the west. Whether they agree with the laws about Gays its hard to say really.

[ykickamoocow 0]

Dunno actually, most Afghanis follow the "we hate the west kill the infadels" crap, and a lot of them where also incensed about the bloke being saved from the apostacy hanging by the west. Whether they agree with the laws about Gays its hard to say really.

No matter how bad a organisations polices are you will always find someone who agrees with them.

[Max Mosley 2]

Every religion has fanatics. Look at this christian organisation know as the Westboro Church

www.godhatesfags.com

www.godhatesamerica.com

www.godhatessweden.com

These people are truly insane and its hard to think of a worse organisation in the entire world.

Thanks for the great links ykick. One has made it into my sig (the first change to it in more than 2 years). Praise the Lord!

Islamic law is decided in countries by top islamist clerics

I think we have to be careful here. After all, 1000 years ago the top xian clerics were in favour of the Crusades, 500 years ago they burnt folks at the stake, 200 years ago they supported slavery and were themselves heavily involved in the slave trade, 100 years ago they supported cultural imperialism, racism, sexism, homophobia, including imprisoning folks in Britain for life for being gay, 60 years ago the Church in Germany supported Hitler, and even today I would argue the Pope is responsible for a lot of suffering around the world (as much as George Bush probably).

The point of course is that most xians today would say that most of those things were wrong and that the leading clerics of the day were wrong. Now of course that is slightly easier to say about xianity that Islam because you can point to the modern xian clerics for support. Nevertheless there are many well educated Muslims who would argue that their political leaders have gotten Islam all wrong, and I think we have to accept that there are different interpretations of the Islamic faith.

Fwiw, I think all religions are bunk, though some interpretations are better than others. After all, once you choose to hand over moral responsibility to "God" what's to say that burning fags, Swedes or xians isn't entirely proper?

Not all countries enforce it, but the point is that islam DOES say that apostacy is punishable by death

I think it's debatable what the Koran says about that. There are sections that give that impression, but there are others that give the opposite impression. Muslim scholars say that you have to look very closely at the context. Also, there are very offensive passages of the Bible too.

I have spoken to a lot of Americans about the war, and 3/4 of them seem to have this gung-ho aggressive attitude.

Indeed. Their politicians reflect their national character, of course. I would add that they tend to be especially poorly informed about the rest of the world. (Not always, but on average, compared to other people.)

[LabradoRacer 2]

In my view ,being a globo cop isn't a bad thing. However , if you do want to be a globo-cop ,make sure you go about it in a frank ,fair manner & make sure that the job's complete.

[Quiet One 15]

Wonderful post. You have become my new god. And I will lay my vengeance upon thee who oppose the Holy Word of Murray and his Sacred Cult of the Jacuzzi!

[LabradoRacer 2]

Wonderful post. You have become my new god. And I will lay my vengeance upon thee who oppose the Holy Word of Murray and his Sacred Cult of the Jacuzzi!

I've become your god? Honored,flattered.

[pumpdoc 2]

Great! this is turning out to be another Total F1 pi$$ing match

[pabloh20 1]

Great! this is turning out to be another Total F1 pi$$ing match

Indeed, Bruce.

I just wonder why there is an insistence to judge a country's people based on it's leaders or on what religion they think exists.

[monza gorilla 1]

Age. It's all about age.

[pabloh20 1]

Age. It's all about age.

Or lack thereof?

[monza gorilla 1]

Precisely.

[AutoRacer5 0]

Why not. That is the main use for nuclear technology these days.

He said he would blow Israel off the face of the map. He is also a holocaust denier. I will ask you again. Do you really think that they will use that nuclear energy for power plants?

[Jean Todt 4]

Nope not at all, but it is clear to me that is how the US government thinks. I have spoken to a lot of Americans about the war, and 3/4 of them seem to have this gung-ho aggressive attitude. Bush is just as much of a tyrant as saddam was, and people seem to have a hard time accepting that,

Islamic law is decided in countries by top islamist clerics, and a lot of countries in the middle east have been known to have women stoned (yes i did say stoned, not hanged read my post properly) when they have been raped. Islam has a very backwards and barbaric attitude to Crime and Punishment, and Muslim people are too stiff, and not willing to accept modern ideas.

What about the recent case in Afghanistan where they tried to have someone sentanced to death from converting to Islam to Christianity (in the end he was lucky to be deported with his life after western pressure was put on Afghanistan). Not all countries enforce it, but the point is that islam DOES say that apostacy is punishable by death, and thats the part I disagree with, it is backwards and allows for no freedom of choice.

That just reinforces my point. I may not be gay, and I don't agree with it, but sentancing them to death. Thats just barbaric and wrong.

And tell me this, how often do you see see westerners walking through the streets burning the flags of islamic nations and saying "death to muslims" because thats something Muslims do on a regular basis both here and in our own countries. That is the intolerance i am talking about.

Yes, you are right, it is all decided by top clerics, but that doesnt mean they may be right all the time. It is not Islam's fault that people take it to the extreme. Anyone following any religion can take it to extreme. In India there is a group that publically encourages people to kick out anyone who is a Non Hindu, but I am not making a fuss about it. Because Hinduism never says to go on a rampage and kill everyone who are not a Hindu. Same way there is not a word in Quran or Hadiths that asks a Muslim to kill a Non Muslim. But, at the same time does not advice a Muslim to stand there and take the beating when some one attacks them.

I dont care if you tell what Afghans did to anyone, since its only Afghans, and they have made Islam a religion of fear rather than love and tolerance. I just asked my Quran Teacher about that incident. He opened a book (which is called Hadiths) and pointed out that IT IS ONE'S WILL TO CHOOSE HIS/HER RELIGION, EVEN IF HE CONVERTS FROM ISLAM TO ANYOTHER RELIGION THE ONLY THING A MUSLIM SHOULD DO IS TO ADVICE HIM/HER, IF THEY STILL DONT CHANGE, WE ARE ADVICED TO LEAVE THEM ALONE AND SHOULD NOT BE RESTRAINED IN WAY. So you dont blindly tell things about religion. Every religion is strictly against Gay, adultry etc etc, its not just Islam. It is just that the in some countries where they follow the religion people are bloody strict.

Now you say apostacy is punishable to death, If you are damn sure, why dont you open the pages of Quran (ENGLISH VERSION) or hadiths and prove it to me rather than reading it from somewhere and ranting about it? If a person tells unwanted things about my religion I dont attack the religion he follows, because I dont really know anything about it, likewise you dont know anything about Islam and its so unfair to pass comments that are not true, you just judge the people who do the things you mentioned, and not the religion they follow. If they truly followed their religion, they wouldnt have made us argue like what we are doing right now.

[Quiet One 15]

I've become your god? Honored,flattered.

I meant Murray's post! You sneakily got your post between mine and his so as to get undeserved adoration!

Heathen! Heathen!

[monza gorilla 1]

We've been here before, guys. It goes nowhere and achieves nothing. Except to expose our own ignorance and prejudice and to wind up people we normally get on well with. I'll leave you to it.