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[Pucky the Whale]

Fact: Robert Kubica has signed a 900-year-deal with Ferrari to partner his best friend Fernando Alonso in winning titles based purely on projected performance and not actual (i.e. if it were 2006, and if Jean Todt were still at Ferrari, and if Kubica ever lived up to his potential, and if Alonso was actually the best driver on the grid). I saw it on the Internet. But then I saw this on the Internet and it breaks the aformentioned fact:

http://formula-one.s...massa-contract/

I guess it's SPEEDTV so the credibility could be determined by integrating the square root of sin³(x⁹+ln|ln|ln|arctan(3x)|||) from 13π/6 (that's pi, stupid font is stupid) to 13π/6, BUT...

So, reading that, it's safe to say that...

1. Either Kubica doesn't have a contract with Ferrari because he doesn't deserve one/Alonso doesn't want him to have one

or

2. Kubica has a contract with Ferrari and Ferrari know you know so they'll tell you they don't and are using Massa as a tool because Massa has agreed to be forced into retirement and will be driving for Mercedes in 3 years time, though Mercedes will by then have become Lada because once Lada owns one team, they'll have to own every team. It's for the greater good.

not Ross Brawn said:

We want to build with Felipe into the future. We have the feeling that he has developed in recent years into a driver as good as any other in the field.

Right, Felipe's the driver of the future. He's 28 years old and, despite having proven he could regularly beat Kimi regardless of how pretty he looked doing it, has been promoted to Alonso's bitch for 2010 (and has outscored him, of course, which is kind of funny though it's too early to say he'll stay there, because he won't. I told you Vettel would be WDC in 2010 and you know it's true). I'm not sure I can do anything but laugh at Felipe being a "driver for the future." I love the guy, and I desperately want him to be WDC, but...Ferrari have made him a number two for a reason. If Ferrari ever really felt he were ever a driver of the future, they wouldn't have needed to spend all the money on Kimi and Fernando to do the winning as Felipe, being "as good as any other in the field," could beat them, right?

Don't take my post as a "Felipe's incompetent" one, because that's overdone and silly. I think Felipe's actually a solid driver. But I have a hard time believing Ferrari feel the same way. Stefano's quotes really aren't in line with the way the team's been run. They backed Kimi in 2007 even when Felipe was ahead in points; right call? Well, they won, so sure. 2008 and 2009...Massa delivered, but for 2010, they signed on a guy to beat him and orchestrated an overtake in the first corner at Bahrain because they had no faith in Massa.

I'm not saying Massa shouldn't be retained; I see no reason not to keep him. I'm not really saying he should be number one on his team, either. All I'm saying is that I really struggle to believe Ferrari actually care for his driving, which leads me to believe the following:

Ferrari are full of horse crap and have signed Kubica for 2011 and beyond.

[Jean Todt]

voted for Adam...because he is a twat face....

[Rainmaster]

Massa is an excellent driver in terms of pace but everything else is questionable. He's had plenty of chances and plenty of help at Ferrari; this year should be the last year he gets a chance because there are better drivers who need his seat. By better drivers, I do mean Kubica who looks like a much more complete package than Massa but without the emotional baggage of an Alonso*.

*although perhaps now that comment isn't valid, we'll have to see how Alonso handles Massa this year, so far he's done a great job on and off track.

I do expect and hope to see Kubica in the red car alongside Alonso next year. They're both aggressive, no-nonsense, pure racers, and that is what a Ferrari driver should be.

[Pucky the Whale]

Kubica's a whiner, so I wouldn't say he's just a show up, drive, go home kind of guy. Ever since he won Montréal in 2008 he has been full of complaints about BMW-Sauber doing this or that. Justified? Perhaps, but I don't think it really helped.

That said, he looks a lot better as a driver this year than he had recently. Every time I think he's never going to get it, he puts in a good drive, and every time I think he's going to, he puts in a crappy one.

I don't think he and Alonso would be friends for long. Kubica causes more problems. Massa can beat Alonso, but he doesn't cause any drama when he doesn't. I think Alonso and Kubica could both do that all year, which would be quite fun, actually.

Is it possible that Stefano isn't fully lying? Perhaps Massa will be signing a contract with Ferrari to take on the role Schumacher had in 2007: test road cars and show up at various grands prix to steal TV time from the actual race and Nicole Sh*tsinger (see what I did there?). He seems too young and too fast to leave the sport, but I don't know if he'd want to race for anyone but Ferrari, and as much as he denies it, there has to be some part of him that looks at what happened in Hungary and then thinks about his young son and his wife and wonders if it's really all worth it. Perhaps he just wanted to prove he could come back, have one last go up against the trickiest of teammates, and then leave? I suppose we'll see; I doubt it's too likely. I really only wanted to make my Sh*tsinger joke, actually.

[Pucky the Whale]

That should say "hopefully a refueling rig because we need some excitement that isn't rain," but I guess my cynicism broke the poll function.

[Rainmaster]

Pucky the Whale, on 12 April 2010 - 08:30 PM, said:

Kubica's a whiner, so I wouldn't say he's just a show up, drive, go home kind of guy. Ever since he won Montréal in 2008 he has been full of complaints about BMW-Sauber doing this or that. Justified? Perhaps, but I don't think it really helped.

That said, he looks a lot better as a driver this year than he had recently. Every time I think he's never going to get it, he puts in a good drive, and every time I think he's going to, he puts in a crappy one.

I don't think he and Alonso would be friends for long. Kubica causes more problems. Massa can beat Alonso, but he doesn't cause any drama when he doesn't. I think Alonso and Kubica could both do that all year, which would be quite fun, actually.

Is it possible that Stefano isn't fully lying? Perhaps Massa will be signing a contract with Ferrari to take on the role Schumacher had in 2007: test road cars and show up at various grands prix to steal TV time from the actual race and Nicole Sh*tsinger (see what I did there?). He seems too young and too fast to leave the sport, but I don't know if he'd want to race for anyone but Ferrari, and as much as he denies it, there has to be some part of him that looks at what happened in Hungary and then thinks about his young son and his wife and wonders if it's really all worth it. Perhaps he just wanted to prove he could come back, have one last go up against the trickiest of teammates, and then leave? I suppose we'll see; I doubt it's too likely. I really only wanted to make my Sh*tsinger joke, actually.

Whiner? That is a matter of opinion/definition and usually depending on biases. Sometimes it can viewed as whining, for example publicly criticising a team might be whining. But when a driver disagrees with his team about something behind closed doors, and makes complaints about it or demands something from the team...well that is something I'm reluctant to criticise a driver for. Public criticism of your team is usually the wrong thing to do, private (constructive) criticism is a different matter and I think Kubica does the latter with the intent to push the team forward. I know he disagreed with BMW about the lack of a development push and to me that suggests a dedicated driver willing to fight for his cause. That's called a winner, not a whiner.

It reminds me of a Renault story I saw not long ago: http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/82746

Again just a matter of opinion, but to me a driver who doesn't make demands in a team is missing a trick, e.g. Kimi Raikkonen was a "show up, drive, go home kind of guy" and it didn't help him achieve his massive potential, if he'd been more assertive and demanding maybe he'd still be in F1.

I think Massa is still a hungry driver who wants a title so I doubt he'd leave F1 if Ferrari didn't re-sign him.

[Quiet One]

First to post!

Wait. No. Oh, crap.

[Pucky the Whale]

Interesting article. It's not unlikely the Kubica has either grown up or just feels more motivated when the people around him feel the same way.

We'll disagree on his BMW days. I did not support Kubica's public criticisms of the team during 2008 and 2009, even if they were true. There's a time for that and I don't think he picked the right one. I think hearing the criticism matters more to the people who can change it, not the people who read F1 articles on the Internet. My concern with him is that if Ferrari don't get behind him and instead choose to get behind Alonso (sorry, don't see Ferrari not having something of a number one, even if it's just for the second half of the season), he'll cause drama. That's speculation; maybe he'll be good for the team.

I'd miss Massa simply because I like the guy, but at the same time, we know what we can get with him. I'll admit right now that I have no clue what we can get from Kubica. Seeing him in a top drive would certainly be exciting just to see how good he really is; he's usually fun when he's on and at Ferrari, I'd expect him to be on more often than not.

I, too, would expect Massa to continue, but I'm not sure where he'd go. The big teams all have better prospects than him if they need new drivers. Straight swap and send him to Renault? He might not be a bad fit there.

[Quiet One]

Robert a whinner? He is less of a whinner than Alonso. And both gave enough arguments to make them "demanding" more than "whinning". Something that Lewis fails to do, yet nobody calls him Lewis a "whinner" George forbid, despite the guy being heard threatening with biblical curses at half the McLaren pit at Melbourne. And let's not talk about Massa! The whinning argument gets old fast. It is perfectly ok to whine about the team, as long as you work your arse to earn such right. Kubica definitely did that for BMW. If any, he didn't complain enough. He should have thrown many barrels rolling down at Mario for what he did.

Now Massa: I think he has surprised us all these past years. I think the guy is not "just as good as any other driver in the field". He might be rather limited when it comes to on track skills. But he also had the enormous challenge of having 3 teammates such as Kimi, Schumi and now Nando. Just to live with that and yet being able to stand proud of his achievements is more than enough feat. That said, he certainly IS limited when it comes to actual racecraft. Time will tell if it is something he can also improve on or he will be just a great, but not great enough driver. He might be ahead of Nando in points, but I know I am not the only one who feels that he barely looks like he is a fearsome opponent for Nando. Alonso's only proble will be if he does not improve his qualifying runs and ends up stuck behind Massa in every race. I like the fact that Felipe holds his ground and does not give Alonso an easy time, yet at the same time it is obvious that Nando is so much better during the whole race than Felipinho.

Oh, well...I am rambling as usual. I'd say Ferrari made a wise choice. Either Massa blossoms into a full champion or at least he will surely be the best number 2 driver in the field. A win-win situation for Ferrari.

[Pucky the Whale]

Quiet One, on 12 April 2010 - 09:43 PM, said:

Robert a whinner? He is less of a whinner than Alonso. And both gave enough arguments to make them "demanding" more than "whinning". Something that Lewis fails to do, yet nobody calls him Lewis a "whinner" George forbid, despite the guy being heard threatening with biblical curses at half the McLaren pit at Melbourne. And let's not talk about Massa! The whinning argument gets old fast. It is perfectly ok to whine about the team, as long as you work your arse to earn such right. Kubica definitely did that for BMW. If any, he didn't complain enough. He should have thrown many barrels rolling down at Mario for what he did.

Now Massa: I think he has surprised us all these past years. I think the guy is not "just as good as any other driver in the field". He might be rather limited when it comes to on track skills. But he also had the enormous challenge of having 3 teammates such as Kimi, Schumi and now Nando. Just to live with that and yet being able to stand proud of his achievements is more than enough feat. That said, he certainly IS limited when it comes to actual racecraft. Time will tell if it is something he can also improve on or he will be just a great, but not great enough driver. He might be ahead of Nando in points, but I know I am not the only one who feels that he barely looks like he is a fearsome opponent for Nando. Alonso's only proble will be if he does not improve his qualifying runs and ends up stuck behind Massa in every race. I like the fact that Felipe holds his ground and does not give Alonso an easy time, yet at the same time it is obvious that Nando is so much better during the whole race than Felipinho.

Oh, well...I am rambling as usual. I'd say Ferrari made a wise choice. Either Massa blossoms into a full champion or at least he will surely be the best number 2 driver in the field. A win-win situation for Ferrari.

My point is that Alonso and Kubica both strike me as rather high-maintenance and I don't think it's unjustified to say they both need their team to really be behind them. As teammates, could Ferrari really be behind both? Maybe they wouldn't cause problems, but I'm not convinced they wouldn't.

I'm not sure about "time will tell." Not all drivers are the same, but Felipe is 28 and it's his fifth season at Ferrari. I'd have a tough time envisioning him winning the WDC now. Would I have said the same about Jenson Button since the first grand prix I saw? Sure, but what he did was so impressive because it's not something we expect to see. I don't know that Massa is going to show more than he has.

I don't think Massa's a bad choice at all, and I'd pick him over Kubica given they have Alonso, but I also don't think we'll see him "blossom into a full champion." If Ferrari expected him to, they wouldn't keep hiring a safe choice in Kimi or a Fernando to lead the team. If they re-sign him, they sign him as a number two. And there's nothing wrong with that. Perhaps my frustration is that a guy like Massa can be so hard-working and really get nothing from his team but a "well the guy could be someone for the future" when the team knows damn well their future is Alonso followed by Kubica/Vettel followed by Ricciardo followed by Michael Schumacher. Maybe he doesn't deserve more and that's just how it goes. Maybe I just want him to be better than he is because he isn't Lewis Hamilton or Fernando Alonso or anyone like that who would have quit F1 if he was forced to play the role Massa has had to fill. Perhaps "Massa Breaks My Heart" would have been more fitting to title this.

Or perhaps I just wanted to start a thread so the last reply in F1 discussion wasn't on a silly topic about new races in New York and Moscow.

It won't matter much anyway, I guess, when Nico Rosberg asserts himself as the dominant driver of the new decade.

Edited by Pucky the Whale, 12 April 2010 - 11:39 PM.

[yurp]

Well - I can't possibly comment, the guys from Ferrari told me everything should be kept on the down-low for now.

I can tell you guys though right?

[YHR]

Massa is a good driver.  HE performed well along side MS, Showed KR where the bears craps in the woods, and is ahead of Alonso/  It is amazing to see guys still not give him the credit he deserves.  Has there been a better consistant driver on the track the last three years??????

[Pucky the Whale]

adamstrags, on 12 April 2010 - 11:29 PM, said:

Well - I can't possibly comment, the guys from Ferrari told me everything should be kept on the down-low for now.

I can tell you guys though right?

What you have to do is post in one thread "I know who is driving for Ferrari in 2011." And then post in another thread "I know where adamstrags is driving in 2011." And then you never told anyone anything but you told them everything.

Alternatively, you could make it official with a graph. I've concluded you must have signed with Ferrari during the Bahrain Grand Prix.



We know the truth, Atom. Now give me a sympathy response because I took 38 seconds to make that image.

YHR, on 12 April 2010 - 11:41 PM, said:

Massa is a good driver. HE performed well along side MS, Showed KR where the bears craps in the woods, and is ahead of Alonso/ It is amazing to see guys still not give him the credit he deserves. Has there been a better consistant driver on the track the last three years??????

You know who isn't giving him the credit he deserves, though? His team. That either says to me he doesn't deserve the credit I've been giving him (you'll find I've defended Massa plenty on this forum) or Ferrari are just nostalgic morons who base everything on past form (i.e. "oh well Nando won it in 05 and 06 so he must be better"). I tend to think Ferrari would know if Massa really could be a champion or if he's just a second generation Barrichello with more hair and a bit more tolerance for being a number two. And being Barrichello's better than being Ide. There's no denying Massa has pace and he can win races because he's shown both. World champion? I think his time came and went one rainy afternoon in Interlagos. We'll see how he does throughout the season against Alonso and if he can win a WDC even though Ferrari don't appear to be backing him. I just don't know if he's just going to stay at Ferrari because it's home and he knows he has security there or if he'd pull a Button and make a big move somewhere else if he had the opportunity. Is number two at Ferrari better than number one elsewhere (I guess it depends on the elsewhere; Red Bull could have openings and that's a damn fine elsewhere if they wanted him)?

I hope Massa stays and completely embarrasses Alonso, personally. I don't expect it, though.

[Schumikonen]

Pucky the Whale, on 13 April 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:

What you have to do is post in one thread "I know who is driving for Ferrari in 2011." And then post in another thread "I know where adamstrags is driving in 2011." And then you never told anyone anything but you told them everything.

Alternatively, you could make it official with a graph. I've concluded you must have signed with Ferrari during the Bahrain Grand Prix.



We know the truth, Atom. Now give me a sympathy response because I took 38 seconds to make that image.



You know who isn't giving him the credit he deserves, though? His team. That either says to me he doesn't deserve the credit I've been giving him (you'll find I've defended Massa plenty on this forum) or Ferrari are just nostalgic morons who base everything on past form (i.e. "oh well Nando won it in 05 and 06 so he must be better"). I tend to think Ferrari would know if Massa really could be a champion or if he's just a second generation Barrichello with more hair and a bit more tolerance for being a number two. And being Barrichello's better than being Ide. There's no denying Massa has pace and he can win races because he's shown both. World champion? I think his time came and went one rainy afternoon in Interlagos. We'll see how he does throughout the season against Alonso and if he can win a WDC even though Ferrari don't appear to be backing him. I just don't know if he's just going to stay at Ferrari because it's home and he knows he has security there or if he'd pull a Button and make a big move somewhere else if he had the opportunity. Is number two at Ferrari better than number one elsewhere (I guess it depends on the elsewhere; Red Bull could have openings and that's a damn fine elsewhere if they wanted him)?

I hope Massa stays and completely embarrasses Alonso, personally. I don't expect it, though.

I'll go with this one and I ahve to tell you that Massa WDC for a for seconds, there is no doubt he can be champion but it is very difficult for him to achive that under the Domenicali's era, that's what I think about that.

[Pucky the Whale]

Freakazoid, on 13 April 2010 - 01:21 AM, said:

I'll go with this one and I ahve to tell you that Massa WDC for a for seconds, there is no doubt he can be champion but it is very difficult for him to achive that under the Domenicali's era, that's what I think about that.

I don't think you're wrong, actually. Part of me wants to see Massa go off somewhere else (if there was anywhere else to go, of course) just to see what he'd do as a number one. I don't know if he'll be that adventurous. I don't think Button tells the whole truth about his move to McLaren, but I admire any driver who says "you know, I've proven everything I can prove at this team or in this series, so I'm going to go off elsewhere and see what I can do there." It seems like the right time for Massa to do so, and I hope he keeps his options open. Ferrari, in one sense, have been very good to him, but he's a racer and he has to be sick of proving himself over Kimi only to not get the lead role and have Alonso get it. Maybe Felipe's a nostalgic fool, too, just clinging to Ferrari because it's Ferrari when he could be getting better elsewhere (in theory; I don't know who would need his services as all the big teams have a lead driver. I suppose if Schumacher doesn't get it together, Massa would be better than either Merc driver, but I'm confident that Michael will be stronger in the second half of the year solely because he's Michael Schumacher).

Well, enough about Massa from me. We'll see who signs where soon enough, but first...the Chinese Grand Prix is this weekend.

[freaky2]

Who said he doesn't have the leading role? He's got the red piece on top of his Ferrari, what more are you asking for? xD

[yurp]

Pucky the Whale, on 13 April 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:

What you have to do is post in one thread "I know who is driving for Ferrari in 2011." And then post in another thread "I know where adamstrags is driving in 2011." And then you never told anyone anything but you told them everything.

Alternatively, you could make it official with a graph. I've concluded you must have signed with Ferrari during the Bahrain Grand Prix.



We know the truth, Atom. Now give me a sympathy response because I took 38 seconds to make that image.

Well - if this is 'Atom' speaking, I can say anything right?
Love the chart, but I have to correct 1 minor error. The excitometre got it wrong about Schumi's return. It just happens that my peak in ball-tingling excitment as a result of the release of hasbro's new littlest pet shop pet dog doll coincided with the return of the chinny one.

Pucky the Whale, on 13 April 2010 - 01:37 AM, said:

I admire any driver who says "you know, I've proven everything I can prove at this team or in this series, so I'm going to go off elsewhere and see what I can do there."

I have proven all I can with my 'Little Scientist' christmas box set as part of my 'Geeks United' pub quiz team (we refined pure alcohol from sprite) and now I'm off to Garth Hoggin's Hasheesh Emporium in Soho to see what I can acheive there - I hope that garners your respect.

Good to have you back Ernie.

Edited by adamstrags, 13 April 2010 - 10:06 AM.

[yurp]

PS - WTF! Massa has overtaken me in the poll.

EDIT - dirty b#####d.

Edited by adamstrags, 13 April 2010 - 10:11 AM.

[Argento Reloaded]

Monty?

Noooooo! Felipe will be there!

[AleHop]

Massa's leading the Championship.

That says a lot about 'the Championship' so far.

[Schumikonen]

Pucky the Whale, on 13 April 2010 - 01:37 AM, said:

I don't think you're wrong, actually. Part of me wants to see Massa go off somewhere else (if there was anywhere else to go, of course) just to see what he'd do as a number one. I don't know if he'll be that adventurous. I don't think Button tells the whole truth about his move to McLaren, but I admire any driver who says "you know, I've proven everything I can prove at this team or in this series, so I'm going to go off elsewhere and see what I can do there." It seems like the right time for Massa to do so, and I hope he keeps his options open. Ferrari, in one sense, have been very good to him, but he's a racer and he has to be sick of proving himself over Kimi only to not get the lead role and have Alonso get it. Maybe Felipe's a nostalgic fool, too, just clinging to Ferrari because it's Ferrari when he could be getting better elsewhere (in theory; I don't know who would need his services as all the big teams have a lead driver. I suppose if Schumacher doesn't get it together, Massa would be better than either Merc driver, but I'm confident that Michael will be stronger in the second half of the year solely because he's Michael Schumacher).

Well, enough about Massa from me. We'll see who signs where soon enough, but first...the Chinese Grand Prix is this weekend.

I think Massa made a BIGmistake when he said "Alonso is not the best driver in F1 because MSC is back" he is saying that Alonso is better than him and I wouldn't hire a driver that doesn't think he can do the best job in the team, I like Massa and I would love to see him as WDC but he has to believe in himself and he has to think that he is the best out there becuase if he is the best but doesn't believe then nobody is going to trust in him if he is not showing the confidence to get the job done.

[AleHop]

Freakazoid, on 13 April 2010 - 05:51 PM, said:

I think Massa made a BIGmistake when he said "Alonso is not the best driver in F1 because MSC is back" he is saying that Alonso is better than him and I wouldn't hire a driver that doesn't think he can do the best job in the team, I like Massa and I would love to see him as WDC but he has to believe in himself and he has to think that he is the best out there becuase if he is the best but doesn't believe then nobody is going to trust in him if he is not showing the confidence to get the job done.

Massa made a BIG mistake for not saying Alonso is the best driver even if MSC is back.

I don't think Massa made a mistake. He knows he's got that far playing a secondary role and he's probably happy with it. He's not going to change his successful approach for the Championship any time soon. It doesn't mean he's not going to fight against Alonso, Vettel or Hamilton. People will only believe in him if he does a good job but if he opened his mouth too much before he won a championship it would make him no good.

[Schumikonen]

AleHop, on 13 April 2010 - 06:11 PM, said:

Massa made a BIG mistake for not saying Alonso is the best driver even if MSC is back.

I don't think Massa made a mistake. He knows he's got that far playing a secondary role and he's probably happy with it. He's not going to change his successful approach for the Championship any time soon. It doesn't mean he's not going to fight against Alonso, Vettel or Hamilton. People will only believe in him if he does a good job but if he opened his mouth too much before he won a championship it would make him no good.

Maybe you are right but I still think he shouldn't have said that, silence would have been a better answer to whatever he was replying to.

[JHS]

Massa will still be there. This is all a load of BS caused by AUTOSPORT aka the official Kubica fan club. Basically, it's what they want to see and they've worded it in such a way that others like SPEED have chosen to believe it.

A none Kubica-biased source actually reported this story on his credible website only a day ago:

Quote

Felipe Massa is very close to renewing his contract with Ferrari for a further three seasons, despite rumours that the Italian team is chasing the likes of Robert Kubica and Sebastian Vettel. The current contract runs out at the end of this year but Ferrari is keen to continue the arrangement and a contract has already been prepared and is expected to be signed shortly. This means that the relationship with Fernando Alonso will continue for at least two more years, as the Spanish driver has a deal that lasts until the end of 2012. Massa has been at Ferrari since 2006, although he was a test driver back in 2003. He did a year with Michael Schumacher, three with Kimi Raikkonen and is now embarked on a season alongside Alonso.

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/

So overall, I doubt this will happen. Then again, I was very much doubting whether Fernando would be at Ferrari for 2010 before it was officially confirmed, so maybe I'm wrong, but in my opinion, it'd be quite a strange decision if they booted Massa out and signed Kubica. It would really smack of desperation and prove a point that ever it was needed, that Ferrari have lost their way.

[Pucky the Whale]

adamstrags, on 13 April 2010 - 10:04 AM, said:

Well - if this is 'Atom' speaking, I can say anything right?
Love the chart, but I have to correct 1 minor error. The excitometre got it wrong about Schumi's return. It just happens that my peak in ball-tingling excitment as a result of the release of hasbro's new littlest pet shop pet dog doll coincided with the return of the chinny one.

Good to have you back Ernie.

Ooh, Littlest Pet Shop!!! I do like that quite a bit, though I'm certainly more of an Amusing Duck guy. That Bump 'N Go action really rivets me. It sounds like a NASCAR race, actually, just with more intelligence required (putting the batteries in the duck seems like a challenge).

Good to still have you here, Addem (up...get it? Add 'em up?! LOLSOFUNNY).

JHS, on 13 April 2010 - 07:10 PM, said:

Massa will still be there. This is all a load of BS caused by AUTOSPORT aka the official Kubica fan club. Basically, it's what they want to see and they've worded it in such a way that others like SPEED have chosen to believe it.

A none Kubica-biased source actually reported this story on his credible website only a day ago:



http://joesaward.wordpress.com/

So overall, I doubt this will happen. Then again, I was very much doubting whether Fernando would be at Ferrari for 2010 before it was officially confirmed, so maybe I'm wrong, but in my opinion, it'd be quite a strange decision if they booted Massa out and signed Kubica. It would really smack of desperation and prove a point that ever it was needed, that Ferrari have lost their way.

Joe Saward is so credible his website is registered on a free hosting site!

No, I'm kidding, Saward's not a bad source.

I don't think it's wishful thinking to report Kubica moving to Ferrari because no team is going to say "I have an empty seat, let's not look around." And if you look around, who is going to be available that could (not saying will) offer more than what you have? Kubica comes to mind. I think there's something there. It just seems a bit early for them to be signing Massa. Why? Because if he's racing for his job, he'll probably be racing better. If he has something to prove, he'll go out and prove it. If he has a solidified three-year deal, he might not feel as much pressure (not saying he'd slouch; he's a racer, but...there's more motivation when it could very well be your last chance to prove anything than when you know you'll be back forever and ever).

Unless Ferrari don't want Massa to perform because Santander wants Alonso ahead and Alonso wants Alonso ahead and Alonso and his sponsor are dominating the team and controlling them and demanding they sign Massa up so Massa forgets to bring his A-game so Alonso can reclaim the points lead!!!! That dirty no good Witness X. Every team he drives for falls apart and he's mean.

[UrKo]

was option #3 just for me??      couldnt resist it..had to give my vote to monty!

[Jean Todt]

Pucky the Whale, on 13 April 2010 - 12:00 AM, said:

We know the truth, Atom. Now give me a sympathy response because I took 38 seconds to make that image.

[Jean Todt]

UrKo, on 14 April 2010 - 08:14 AM, said:

was option #3 just for me?? couldnt resist it..had to give my vote to monty!

whatever makes you happy...

[Jean Todt]

Pucky the Whale, on 13 April 2010 - 07:22 PM, said:

Ooh, Littlest Pet Shop!!! I do like that quite a bit, though I'm certainly more of an Amusing Duck guy. That Bump 'N Go action really rivets me. It sounds like a NASCAR race, actually, just with more intelligence required (putting the batteries in the duck seems like a challenge).

Good to still have you here, Addem (up...get it? Add 'em up?! LOLSOFUNNY).



Joe Saward is so credible his website is registered on a free hosting site!

No, I'm kidding, Saward's not a bad source.

I don't think it's wishful thinking to report Kubica moving to Ferrari because no team is going to say "I have an empty seat, let's not look around." And if you look around, who is going to be available that could (not saying will) offer more than what you have? Kubica comes to mind. I think there's something there. It just seems a bit early for them to be signing Massa. Why? Because if he's racing for his job, he'll probably be racing better. If he has something to prove, he'll go out and prove it. If he has a solidified three-year deal, he might not feel as much pressure (not saying he'd slouch; he's a racer, but...there's more motivation when it could very well be your last chance to prove anything than when you know you'll be back forever and ever).

Unless Ferrari don't want Massa to perform because Santander wants Alonso ahead and Alonso wants Alonso ahead and Alonso and his sponsor are dominating the team and controlling them and demanding they sign Massa up so Massa forgets to bring his A-game so Alonso can reclaim the points lead!!!! That dirty no good Witness X. Every team he drives for falls apart and he's mean.

amusing duck is interesting. but pity I don't have a bath tub....


meanwhile.....lets wait and see which are facts and which are bs....I think Nando and Massa would give eachother a hardtime..regardless of what we think....

[Silas Talbot]

Pucky the Whale, on 12 April 2010 - 08:30 PM, said:

Kubica's a whiner, so I wouldn't say he's just a show up, drive, go home kind of guy. Ever since he won Montréal in 2008 he has been full of complaints about BMW-Sauber doing this or that. Justified? Perhaps, but I don't think it really helped.

Kubica is SUCH a whiner, this coming from a big fan. But once he gets to Ferrari he's going to go full Prima Donna. Watch out, it's going to be like having Beyonce racing in F1.