End of Q1 with the Hulk out and ALO and HAM on a league of their own. Which obviously means that VET and RAI will get P1 and P2 respectively.
DAM P17. The good thing is that even if he crashes like GRO, he will only pprobably kill some midfield driver. Nobody will notice if one of the STR drivers gets killed until next race, most likely.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:25 PM
"There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the Universe, and it has a longer shelf life" - Frank Zappa
"Great drivers are the ones who win the races they're not supposed to" - K.Chandhok
"On the rare occasions that I play a racing game I often think ‘you know what this needs? A boss battle or two.’ A Formula One game in which, suddenly, everybody else has a monster truck and their sole desire is to squash you. A street racing game with a tank or two blowing the roads and buildings to bits. A Nascar game with a track that occasionally bends to the right" (Adam Smith - RPS)
"Great drivers are the ones who win the races they're not supposed to" - K.Chandhok
"On the rare occasions that I play a racing game I often think ‘you know what this needs? A boss battle or two.’ A Formula One game in which, suddenly, everybody else has a monster truck and their sole desire is to squash you. A street racing game with a tank or two blowing the roads and buildings to bits. A Nascar game with a track that occasionally bends to the right" (Adam Smith - RPS)
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:29 PM
This seems like a good weekend for Ferrari and Alonso. Ferrari seem very fast, along with McLaren, with Red Bull and Lotus, Alonso's closest rivals, struggling for speed.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:45 PM
Yup, Renault engines just don't have enough juice for Monza. Webber out for the third time in as many races in Q2. Not good at all.
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"On the rare occasions that I play a racing game I often think ‘you know what this needs? A boss battle or two.’ A Formula One game in which, suddenly, everybody else has a monster truck and their sole desire is to squash you. A street racing game with a tank or two blowing the roads and buildings to bits. A Nascar game with a track that occasionally bends to the right" (Adam Smith - RPS)
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"On the rare occasions that I play a racing game I often think ‘you know what this needs? A boss battle or two.’ A Formula One game in which, suddenly, everybody else has a monster truck and their sole desire is to squash you. A street racing game with a tank or two blowing the roads and buildings to bits. A Nascar game with a track that occasionally bends to the right" (Adam Smith - RPS)
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:02 PM
WTF Alonso?
We will have to wait until he tweets the telemetry to find out?
We will have to wait until he tweets the telemetry to find out?
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"Great drivers are the ones who win the races they're not supposed to" - K.Chandhok
"On the rare occasions that I play a racing game I often think ‘you know what this needs? A boss battle or two.’ A Formula One game in which, suddenly, everybody else has a monster truck and their sole desire is to squash you. A street racing game with a tank or two blowing the roads and buildings to bits. A Nascar game with a track that occasionally bends to the right" (Adam Smith - RPS)
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:09 PM
Supreme quali by Hamilton. Hope he goes on to win. McLaren are truly head & shoulders above the rest of the field now.
Superb show by di Resta & Massa. The former's penalty means Schumi starts 4th but I think he's got a dim chance of a podium.
Vettel outdrove his car to slot ahead of Rosberg.
Dunno what gremlins visited Alonso, but I'm not complaining. However, Ferrari's pace should see him moving up the field, assuming there's no incident.
Superb show by di Resta & Massa. The former's penalty means Schumi starts 4th but I think he's got a dim chance of a podium.
Vettel outdrove his car to slot ahead of Rosberg.
Dunno what gremlins visited Alonso, but I'm not complaining. However, Ferrari's pace should see him moving up the field, assuming there's no incident.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:19 PM
LabradoRacer, on 08 September 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:
Dunno what gremlins visited Alonso, but I'm not complaining. However, Ferrari's pace should see him moving up the field, assuming there's no incident.
Suspected anti-rollbar failure, according to autosport. Can they fix that for the race?
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:20 PM
I'd be curious as to what went wrong for Alonso.
McLaren at the top is what I've come to expect, and that has to have Alonso worried. As we've all said, if one driver/team can steal points from him week after week, he's over. He needs a different winner each week to hold on and Red Bull have been MIA sincethey've not been allowed to adjust ride height after qualifying something happened that we don't know anything about. Which isn't to say it will stay like this, because this season, it hasn't.
Basically, McLaren need to execute flawlessly now. Don't blow it like the first few races of the year, when they had the best car but not the best results. Everyone else had a poor qualifying so it's damage limitation for them. They need to hold 1-2 and they have a great chance of getting back in it. The one thing about this season is that you cannot blow the weekends when you have the best package.
Which, to an extent, happened to the #5 Ferrari in qualifying today. But that's good. Having faster cars starting further back is good for us. Not so good for Alonso, and even worse considering Ferrari have had some bad strategies this year.
We'll see. Hopefully it will be a good one.
Also, where's the DRS zone here? I can't find anywhere to put one that would make any sense at all.
McLaren at the top is what I've come to expect, and that has to have Alonso worried. As we've all said, if one driver/team can steal points from him week after week, he's over. He needs a different winner each week to hold on and Red Bull have been MIA since
Basically, McLaren need to execute flawlessly now. Don't blow it like the first few races of the year, when they had the best car but not the best results. Everyone else had a poor qualifying so it's damage limitation for them. They need to hold 1-2 and they have a great chance of getting back in it. The one thing about this season is that you cannot blow the weekends when you have the best package.
Which, to an extent, happened to the #5 Ferrari in qualifying today. But that's good. Having faster cars starting further back is good for us. Not so good for Alonso, and even worse considering Ferrari have had some bad strategies this year.
We'll see. Hopefully it will be a good one.
Also, where's the DRS zone here? I can't find anywhere to put one that would make any sense at all.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:38 PM
Two Maccas a tenth apart but Massa just another tenth away. Game on! The main thing wrong with Felipe is the team he's with. He was meant to be Nando's 'tow-boy' today but the No.1 car broke. Hey ho. Problem for JB and LH is Alonso's pace. Even in10th he's a danger. So is Michael and Felipe.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:48 PM
Probably Alonso's best chance of pole in the season so far. Tough break. I hope he avoids the potential for first corner Monza chaos and gives us an exciting race.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 01:50 PM
Insider, on 08 September 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:
Two Maccas a tenth apart but Massa just another tenth away. Game on! The main thing wrong with Felipe is the team he's with. He was meant to be Nando's 'tow-boy' today but the No.1 car broke. Hey ho. Problem for JB and LH is Alonso's pace. Even in10th he's a danger. So is Michael and Felipe.
Schumi's in good form, however his car's tyre munching disease may deprive him of podium.
About Ferrari's slipstream plan, I think they both were helping each other in turn. I read on ESPNF1 how Alonso provided Massa a tow on his first Q3 run.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 02:02 PM
Indeed, they were helping each other. Although Massa said he did his best lap of Q3 without the tow, I believe. I think the idea Ferrari had (and probably other teams which weren't focussed on) is a cute one, but also seems like quite a good way of tripping yourself up.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 02:05 PM
Apparently an anti-roll bar broke on Alonso's car, giving him loads of understeer. Same thing happened to Vettel a couple of years ago at Istanbul.
Should be able to make progress through the field though hopefully. Massa just needs to get in front of the McLarens at the start and try and hold them up a bit and mess with their race.
Should be able to make progress through the field though hopefully. Massa just needs to get in front of the McLarens at the start and try and hold them up a bit and mess with their race.
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LabradoRacer, on 08 September 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:
About Ferrari's slipstream plan, I think they both were helping each other in turn. I read on ESPNF1 how Alonso provided Massa a tow on his first Q3 run.
Sorry, but I cannot imagine any other reason than mechanical failure for that...or perhaps it's Ferrari conspiring against Nando...you know, the Ron Dennis way with Massa....
Todt must have had a hard time trying not to giggle watching Alonso's lap from the Ferrari's garage! Wait...Todt+Massa+Nicolas...ohhhh I get it! Not to mention Alessi who is jealous because Alonso and Alessi ae not so different (just a few letters here and there) and that makes people approach Jean saying "ohhh, Mr.Alonso! can you sign an autograph for me?" which drives Alessi mad.
Don't think for a minute I cannot see through your miserable conspiracies, you b#####ds!!!!!!
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 02:15 PM
I think McLaren can control the start and prevent Ferrari from getting ahead.
That said, Massa's had some great starts in his life.
He's also had some pretty bad ones.
I do wonder what the plan is for Massa. Is it just take what you can get and keep rebuilding your reputation by stringing together some not-really-all-that-bad races, or is it take a massive risk, with nothing to lose, for the sake of your team, to try to get ahead? I hope he just stays calm and doesn't do anything dumb.
After all, if he gets a one-race ban for Singapore, he'd be denied all 0 points he would have scored in that race.
That said, Massa's had some great starts in his life.
He's also had some pretty bad ones.
I do wonder what the plan is for Massa. Is it just take what you can get and keep rebuilding your reputation by stringing together some not-really-all-that-bad races, or is it take a massive risk, with nothing to lose, for the sake of your team, to try to get ahead? I hope he just stays calm and doesn't do anything dumb.
After all, if he gets a one-race ban for Singapore, he'd be denied all 0 points he would have scored in that race.
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Massa, on 08 September 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:
After all, if he gets a one-race ban for Singapore, he'd be denied all 0 points he would have scored in that race.
Although, I've heard that selling tickets for turn 17 at Singapore have suddenly got a raise in demand...
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 02:28 PM
It would be ironic if Massa did somehow manage to win tomorrow.
Sadly, that'd probably end any talk of anyone replacing him.
He's not a million miles away from McLaren's pace, I think he'll just try and stay in touch and maybe force one of them (most likely Hamilton) into an error.
Sadly, that'd probably end any talk of anyone replacing him.
He's not a million miles away from McLaren's pace, I think he'll just try and stay in touch and maybe force one of them (most likely Hamilton) into an error.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 02:40 PM
Massa to crash into both Maccas tomorrow. It's a carefully guarded top secret conspiracy, I tell you.
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massa will win, alonso second.... ...or not
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 03:45 PM
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It would be ironic if Massa did somehow manage to win tomorrow.
Spoiler warning: Massa doesn't win.
8 of his 11 wins are from pole. The other 3? He started second. No chance he gets past two teammates.
LabradoRacer, on 08 September 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:
Massa to crash into both Maccas tomorrow. It's a carefully guarded top secret conspiracy, I tell you.
Honestly, I expect him to. There will be so much pressure on him to not hit the McLarens to 1) not ruin his own race and 2) not get Ferrari into controversy. As a result, he will hit the McLarens by virtue of trying so hard to not hit them. It will be a pure accident. He will lose his Super License and Ferrari will be fined 100,000 Euros.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 03:54 PM
Maldonado way down the grid.. Grosjean banned.. just when Lewis Hamilton thought he was safe to potentially win a Grand Prix again the King of Racecraft Felipe Massa suddenly makes an appearance at the sharp end! It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! (Just getting into the spirit )
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 04:14 PM
I hear that mclaren have paid Pedro De La Rosa to do them a favour of short cutting across the grass and whiping out everyone behind them so that massa cant do anything naughty!
oh and good news ... Pasta has decided to change his ways and not crash ... so will make it to the 2nd corner without incident before seeing how many he can get into the 2nd chicane!
oh and good news ... Pasta has decided to change his ways and not crash ... so will make it to the 2nd corner without incident before seeing how many he can get into the 2nd chicane!
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 04:24 PM
Rainmaster, on 08 September 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:
Maldonado way down the grid.. Grosjean banned.. just when Lewis Hamilton thought he was safe to potentially win a Grand Prix again the King of Racecraft Felipe Massa suddenly makes an appearance at the sharp end! It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! (Just getting into the spirit )
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 10:26 PM
Never mind all that. KUBICA IS CONTESTING A MINOR RALLY IN ITALY THESE WEEKEND!! based on his interview with an Italian reporter he targets return to F1 for 2014. However, he denied it during his interview with a Polish news program. He stated that he will be racing in 2013, but he doesn't know where. He will also take part in a bigger rally next weekend. All of this is a part of his rehabilitation process. he admitted his hand is not 100% and will likely never be fully functional, but he is working now to compensate for it. The goal of racing now is to "get his body and his head to remember what he did while racing for the last 20 years". Sounds like he is trying to get back to F1 via rallying.
I'll keep you posted!!! And yes, the pic below is from yesterday!
I'll keep you posted!!! And yes, the pic below is from yesterday!
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Well well well - interesting jump made by Macca over the last couple of races - two pole positions - dominant race from Button last week - Hamilton might also have been up at the sharp end had the first corner shinanigans not occured. All makes for an interesting second half of the season - will Alonso be able to hold the Maccas off? I see them coming ever closer as long as they can finish races. It looks like it could end up pretty damn close at the end of the season.
I also expect Red Bull to improve enough to make their own challenge.
It really still could be anyone of the following for the WDC: Alonso, Webber, Hamilton, Vettel, Button (still possible)
But alas - I think Kimi and Lotus look set to fade slightly. Still - you never know. Well - until you do know. Then you know. (would be great to see Kimi able to make a real challenge for the WDC).
Racing aside - I haven't been here for a while. Sometimes life takes over. Very busy at the moment with all sorts of other projects / life changes / home changes etc etc etc. All good, but all very hectic. Little time left over to chat about F1. So sad - especially when the season is giving us so much to talk about.
I also expect Red Bull to improve enough to make their own challenge.
It really still could be anyone of the following for the WDC: Alonso, Webber, Hamilton, Vettel, Button (still possible)
But alas - I think Kimi and Lotus look set to fade slightly. Still - you never know. Well - until you do know. Then you know. (would be great to see Kimi able to make a real challenge for the WDC).
Racing aside - I haven't been here for a while. Sometimes life takes over. Very busy at the moment with all sorts of other projects / life changes / home changes etc etc etc. All good, but all very hectic. Little time left over to chat about F1. So sad - especially when the season is giving us so much to talk about.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 01:47 AM
Hello to Piotr and Adam. And Maure who has appeared elsewhere and is definitely reading "the four of us left" talk amongst ourselves.
I hope the cameras pay attention to row five. Two guys who should be faster than where they start. I think this has a lot of potential.
I hope the cameras pay attention to row five. Two guys who should be faster than where they start. I think this has a lot of potential.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 03:15 AM
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Hello to Piotr and Adam. And Maure who has appeared elsewhere and is definitely reading "the four of us left" talk amongst ourselves.
I hope the cameras pay attention to row five. Two guys who should be faster than where they start. I think this has a lot of potential.
I hope the cameras pay attention to row five. Two guys who should be faster than where they start. I think this has a lot of potential.
OK, I give up. What does it mean? I see most of the Old Guard still here? I'm always lurking, but I'm too busy to watch most of the races nowadays...The bad news with Kubi is his hand looks pale and immobile, almost like an old prosthesis. Also, he limps a bit. BUT, the fact he can drive a race car is a good news. At worst he will join Polish drivers (Holowczyc and Malysz - the first from WRC and the second a multiple World Champion in ski jumping) in the next Dakar Rally. Now THAT would be worth seeing.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 10:56 AM
Really feel like Alonso will be the man to watch today. Given what happened last weekend, as well as yesterday when he concedes an "easy" pole went missing, I think he's going to be really on a mission.
He's won from eleventh once this year already, so tenth is no problem, right?
He's won from eleventh once this year already, so tenth is no problem, right?
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 11:21 AM
JHS18, on 09 September 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:
Really feel like Alonso will be the man to watch today. Given what happened last weekend, as well as yesterday when he concedes an "easy" pole went missing, I think he's going to be really on a mission.
He's won from eleventh once this year already, so tenth is no problem, right?
He's won from eleventh once this year already, so tenth is no problem, right?
That said, I do hope a good fight for him nonetheeless for as high as he can get. Ditto for Vettel. Not so sure about Kimi.
I don't think that McLaren will have too much trouble as the real fight will be from 3rd to 7th probably. (I don't think Felipe and the Mercs will all finish higher or at the same position than their starts)
In any case, another race with plenty of tension to look forward.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:15 PM
There you go....Alonso on a mission 
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:16 PM
Good start by Massa & Alonso. Mercedes's pace is abysmal.
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