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[Jem of the Shire 0]

I would say Mexico crash was Kimi's fault, and not comparable to the Russia crash. In Russia, as webric says Kimi lunged from way, way back and it was never going to work - I'm baffled as to why someone with his experience even went for it. In Mexico, they were both slowly (in f1 terms) weaving through the bend and Bottas was already alongside Kimi at the point that Kimi, knowing Bottas was next to him, turned in on him rather than giving him any space.

[Emmcee 0]

I would say Mexico crash was Kimi's fault, and not comparable to the Russia crash. In Russia, as webric says Kimi lunged from way, way back and it was never going to work - I'm baffled as to why someone with his experience even went for it. In Mexico, they were both slowly (in f1 terms) weaving through the bend and Bottas was already alongside Kimi at the point that Kimi, knowing Bottas was next to him, turned in on him rather than giving him any space.

Hallelujah, someone who can see actually what happened. Clear as day isn't mate? Bottas was on the racing line anyway as kimi was defending the previous corner therefor kimi had no where else to go when setting himself up for the next corner as bottas already established the inside position coming into that next corner, that how you know he knew where bottas was exactly, if he didn't, they would've touched on the previous corner,not the one they did.

[Ajay Fernando 0]

I would say Mexico crash was Kimi's fault, and not comparable to the Russia crash. In Russia, as webric says Kimi lunged from way, way back and it was never going to work - I'm baffled as to why someone with his experience even went for it. In Mexico, they were both slowly (in f1 terms) weaving through the bend and Bottas was already alongside Kimi at the point that Kimi, knowing Bottas was next to him, turned in on him rather than giving him any space.

Perfectly answered.

[KoolMonkey 0]

No one has answered Brad's point. The huge elephant in the room. Bottas WAS aware Kimi was next to him in Russia. Kimi get's a penalty.

Kimi was I'm sure aware Bottas was coming up beside him in Mexico. Bottas was however next in front of him.

It seems only Kimi get's penalties here. When he's taken out by someone, it's a racing incident. When he tangles and the other drivers goes out, it's all Kimi's fault.

Perez smacked him in Monaco. Nothing. Ricci does him in at Monaco. Nothing. It's not crazy to look at it from the point of view that there is something a bit amiss here.

Thus we come back to Brad's point. One I've brought up and others too. If Bottas was aware Kimi was there, the penalty was the unwarranted.

What irks me the most however is that there's a feeling Kimi was supposed to just bend over and take it on that corner. He was still leading, ahead of Bottas. How is he then supposed to yield to give the place to a car that's behind him? It happens too many times now. Someone puts their car into a position they realistically are not going to get out of cleanly, yet it seems the the other car that's leading takes the penalty. I find that odd. It's like a poor mans blue flag situation.

It sucks to see this happen to Kimi again, but I have to take the line that both were racing incidents at the end of the day. It's the penalty that really troubles me.

A fair play would then to be say quite simply, Russia was Kimi's fault, Mexico was Bottas' fault. Bottas knew Kimi was there in Russia. Kimi knew Bottas was there in Mexico. Since this sport now only gifts places to the person coming behind and not ahead, I have to conclude this is how it's now supposed to be. Nope that doesn't work either. Kimi was behind in Russia and got penalized. Bottas was behind in Mexico and got no penalty. However way you look at it, it doesn't add up and does not make sense.

[Quiet One 15]

Lol.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Lol.

lolol!!! There you go, I laughed harder than you

[Emmcee 0]

No one has answered Brad's point. The huge elephant in the room. Bottas WAS aware Kimi was next to him in Russia. Kimi get's a penalty.

Kimi was I'm sure aware Bottas was coming up beside him in Mexico. Bottas was however next in front of him.

It seems only Kimi get's penalties here. When he's taken out by someone, it's a racing incident. When he tangles and the other drivers goes out, it's all Kimi's fault.

Perez smacked him in Monaco. Nothing. Ricci does him in at Monaco. Nothing. It's not crazy to look at it from the point of view that there is something a bit amiss here.

Thus we come back to Brad's point. One I've brought up and others too. If Bottas was aware Kimi was there, the penalty was the unwarranted.

What irks me the most however is that there's a feeling Kimi was supposed to just bend over and take it on that corner. He was still leading, ahead of Bottas. How is he then supposed to yield to give the place to a car that's behind him? It happens too many times now. Someone puts their car into a position they realistically are not going to get out of cleanly, yet it seems the the other car that's leading takes the penalty. I find that odd. It's like a poor mans blue flag situation.

It sucks to see this happen to Kimi again, but I have to take the line that both were racing incidents at the end of the day. It's the penalty that really troubles me.

A fair play would then to be say quite simply, Russia was Kimi's fault, Mexico was Bottas' fault. Bottas knew Kimi was there in Russia. Kimi knew Bottas was there in Mexico. Since this sport now only gifts places to the person coming behind and not ahead, I have to conclude this is how it's now supposed to be. Nope that doesn't work either. Kimi was behind in Russia and got penalized. Bottas was behind in Mexico and got no penalty. However way you look at it, it doesn't add up and does not make sense.

You serious? Bottas was dead even with kimi when he turned in, that's why kimi couldn't get the proper line for that corner to begin with, because bottas was already there. If that's how it is, I honestly beleive kimi should have been penalised again why? Well bottas had been attacking from the previous corner aswell and had come alongside raikkonen well enough to be considered an overtaking attempt. Kimi turned in because he didn't want to run wide and expected bottas to back out, bit hard to do that when your alongside someone. Yeah I agree bottas knew kimi was there in Russia, he knew he was ten lengths back therefore there's no need to defend. Then turns in and WACK!! Please explain as to why it is possible that it was bottas at fault as iam struggling to see how someone dead even with the other car is at fault when someone on the outside turns in.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

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[BradSpeedMan 6]

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[Quiet One 15]

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Engine=Honda's responsibility

Crashing against Bottas (twice)= Iceman's responsibility.

I know Kimiliebers can't tell the difference but believe me, human beings can

[Emmcee 0]

Engine=Honda's responsibility

Crashing against Bottas (twice)= Iceman's responsibility.

I know Kimiliebers can't tell the difference but believe me, human beings can

Lol, well said and so true.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Engine=Honda's responsibility

Crashing against Bottas (twice)= Iceman's responsibility.

I know Kimiliebers can't tell the difference but believe me, human beings can

Another way to look at it...

Engine=Honda's responsibility: Where else could the guy go, played a chess game againts Mattiachi and lost heavily. Consigned to a mid-to-lower field car. Competing with Manors at the back of the field.

Crashing against Bottas (twice)= Iceman's responsibility.: racing Incidents, with bad stewards interpretations

Glad I got you to respond Andres

[Emmcee 0]

Another way to look at it...

Engine=Honda's responsibility: Where else could the guy go, played a chess game againts Mattiachi and lost heavily. Consigned to a mid-to-lower field car. Competing with Manors at the back of the field.

Crashing against Bottas (twice)= Iceman's responsibility.: racing Incidents, with bad stewards interpretations

Glad I got you to respond Andres

Ferrari begged fernando to stay, they wanted him to sign till 2019. as for the two incidents, IMO raikkonen was at fault both times. But everyone has there own opinion.

[Emmcee 0]

Just like I said, kimi knew where bottas was even rob smedley said the same thing, he knew bottas was there because he defended the corner.

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/545460/Smedley_There_was_no_room_for_Kimi/

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Put it this way, if it was Hamilton who had been in the same 2 incidents with Bottas, many of the opinions on here would be very different. Can't help thinking it's just cos it's Kimi, he who can do no wrong (when in reality, he does a hell of a lot wrong)

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Put it this way, if it was Hamilton who had been in the same 2 incidents with Bottas, many of the opinions on here would be very different. Can't help thinking it's just cos it's Kimi, he who can do no wrong (when in reality, he does a hell of a lot wrong)

Thats the problem. You are misconstrueing what we are actually stating...

no wonder your analysis is off concerning the Kimi incident....

[Jem of the Shire 0]

I must admit I can't watch the videos you guys have posted because I'm at work, but I saw the incident at the time on TV and everyone knows the lunge Kimi attempted in Russia was just silly and in no way Bottas's fault. In Mexico I would say it was Kimi's fault but it wasn't as bad. As for the inconsistency of penalties, well that's always been the way in f1 hasn't it! I hate penalties, they put drivers off racing wheel to wheel.

[Emmcee 0]

Put it this way, if it was Hamilton who had been in the same 2 incidents with Bottas, many of the opinions on here would be very different. Can't help thinking it's just cos it's Kimi, he who can do no wrong (when in reality, he does a hell of a lot wrong)

Exactly.

[Emmcee 0]

I must admit I can't watch the videos you guys have posted because I'm at work, but I saw the incident at the time on TV and everyone knows the lunge Kimi attempted in Russia was just silly and in no way Bottas's fault. In Mexico I would say it was Kimi's fault but it wasn't as bad. As for the inconsistency of penalties, well that's always been the way in f1 hasn't it! I hate penalties, they put drivers off racing wheel to wheel.

Yep, I hear ya. Imagine if it was Maldonado that dive bombed from that far back and hit bottas? People say inconsistancy with penalties and yes it's always been that way but when something is clear cut as BOTH incidents and common sense says kimi was at fault both occasions, then I feel it's the inconsistancy of his fans crying wolf.

[spiral.out 0]

If the Kimi incident had been the other way around its still Bottas's fault..

[Jem of the Shire 0]

There's always been massive double standards on this forum, I've probably been guilty of it myself sometimes unwittingly.

[Emmcee 0]

If the Kimi incident had been the other way around its still Bottas's fault..

No, that's bs and I know it is, I thought you would have by now realised I tell it how it is. If it was the other way around, I would say the same thing. Just you have to trust me on that, until iam wrong, we won't know will we? I know kimi fans really want him to do well but to say something is wrong when it's not just to win something back as a fan, it's bloody sad, I thought most would call it how it is, but after the shock horror I witnessed on here after Russia, I guess anything is possible on here.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

There's always been massive double standards on this forum, I've probably been guilty of it myself sometimes unwittingly.

I always saw you as an impartial F1 fan in years gone past. You were one of the few that stood out. Nowadays I dont know.

Just being honest here... You might accuse me of being the same, which is ok....

[Jem of the Shire 0]

I still consider myself impartial - particularly regards to Kimi as I don't like or dislike him - I do hold him in high regard because I haven't forgotten everything he did at McLaren and Ferrari, he was world class. Hence why I was surprised that someone of his calibre and experience went for that move at Russia, it was never going to work. Comparable to Silverstone '95 to me, and Damon Hill was my first f1 'hero'!

Maybe I should just write 'Kimi is a smelly poo face'.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

I still consider myself impartial - particularly regards to Kimi as I don't like or dislike him - I do hold him in high regard because I haven't forgotten everything he did at McLaren and Ferrari, he was world class. Hence why I was surprised that someone of his calibre and experience went for that move at Russia, it was never going to work. Comparable to Silverstone '95 to me, and Damon Hill was my first f1 'hero'!

Maybe I should just write 'Kimi is a smelly poo face'.

It was suppose to work. With Bottas, being aware of him... giving him space, not turn into him like he did. Kimi did the exact same move previously in the race, and Bottas gave him space.

No, judging from the last few years on here, as an outsider... you are not impartial. Believe me