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Hamilton was meanwhile telling to whole world:

- his car looks 1000x better than anyone's else (on the grid)

- they had actually run today without proper setup

So, I gather, what he was really telling us, you ugly lot, just wait when we are done and ready to race, and then we destroy you.

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6 hours ago, BradSpeedMan said:

Give Merc a flippin fight this year boys!!!!

They just might when you consider that Vettel was only 0.113 slower than Lewis on the mediums, when Hamilton did his fastest time on the softs. That's something to be considered, and I realize it's only the first day of testing. Having Lewis and Sebastian going at each other during the season, they way did at Austin in 2012 is all good.

Throw in Red Bull, and a good competitive testing sessions for them with Verstappen and Ricciardo. Should add up to one hell of an upcoming season.

 

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Both Ferrari drivers ended first week of testing on positive note, now adding customary  "we have plenty work to do". Seb is either more open in his interviews, or less happy with something on the car than Kimi is. Intuitively I think he wants more speed, and could be that he hasn't found his sweet spot as yet, because beaten as he must be after testing, he wanted more track time in that car. I wonder what made Italian media worry about when they went so negative before testing began.

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4 hours ago, Sakae said:

Both Ferrari drivers ended first week of testing on positive note, now adding customary  "we have plenty work to do". Seb is either more open in his interviews, or less happy with something on the car than Kimi is. Intuitively I think he wants more speed, and could be that he hasn't found his sweet spot as yet, because beaten as he must be after testing, he wanted more track time in that car. I wonder what made Italian media worry about when they went so negative before testing began.

Vettel.... always the perfectionist. It's great, he's one of the greatest racers ever

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Yep he sure is, but unfortunately, he antics in the past put him in a position where IMO he can't even match Schumacher.  People can call schumi dirty but not once did schumi ever go against the team and for that alone, he will never reach Schumacher IMHO.

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7 minutes ago, Emmcee said:

Yep he sure is, but unfortunately, he antics in the past put him in a position where IMO he can't even match Schumacher.  People can call schumi dirty but not once did schumi ever go against the team and for that alone, he will never reach Schumacher IMHO.

Emmcee, Schumie did things thousand times worse bud, it doesnt matter if its againts the team or a fellow racer.

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Of course it does, would you rather upset one guy or the whole te who is backing you and giving up there time to build a car for you and you turn against them. That's the worst you can do, what did schumi do? Take of hill and Villeneuve? Hill went for a gap that he well and truly knew Schumacher would close, what would you expect? Especially in a title fight, to just make room? No way, Schumacher closed the door as any driver would and hill also went half of the circuit to attempt the pass, hill at fault there. Jerez 97, villeneuve came from miles back to try pass schumi and once again, not to expect him not to have to turn in at some point is just brain dead and arrogant, not to mention the onboard footage from Villeneuves car shows him turning in a lot later than previous laps almost in an attempt to push schumi of the circuit. Schumacher had no option but to turn in again, like Adelaide he's not going to leave room if it's going to force him of the circuit is he? No driver would. But that's common sense and if people can't even see that then there's no point in discussing it. Even when I was karting and a guy in front runs wide, I leave him room because I know he is eventually going to have to turn in to make the corner, unless I could get by before he turns in. That's just common sense, Monaco 06 is the only one Iam unsure about but Adelaide 94, hills fault, Jerez 97 can be put on both but it's certainly not all schumi. Yet people don't mention hill stupidly taking out schumi in silverstone and monza of 95, holding him up while being lapped in Suzuka 97 but let's everyone else through, then you have Villeneuve who nearly took schumi out in Imola and Suzuka of 97, yet they cry when it happens to them and the fans catch the cold to.

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On 3/3/2017 at 4:12 PM, Sakae said:

Both Ferrari drivers ended first week of testing on positive note, now adding customary  "we have plenty work to do". Seb is either more open in his interviews, or less happy with something on the car than Kimi is. Intuitively I think he wants more speed, and could be that he hasn't found his sweet spot as yet, because beaten as he must be after testing, he wanted more track time in that car. I wonder what made Italian media worry about when they went so negative before testing began.

It is indeed a good start for Ferrari and, in fact, it might just make the season worth watching. Great news so far, afak.

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bottas is the standout for me, to learn a new car and a new team and finish the test on top proves to me that bottas is more than ready to bring the fight to Lewis.

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16 hours ago, Emmcee said:

Of course it does, would you rather upset one guy or the whole te who is backing you and giving up there time to build a car for you and you turn against them. That's the worst you can do, what did schumi do? Take of hill and Villeneuve? Hill went for a gap that he well and truly knew Schumacher would close, what would you expect? Especially in a title fight, to just make room? No way, Schumacher closed the door as any driver would and hill also went half of the circuit to attempt the pass, hill at fault there. Jerez 97, villeneuve came from miles back to try pass schumi and once again, not to expect him not to have to turn in at some point is just brain dead and arrogant, not to mention the onboard footage from Villeneuves car shows him turning in a lot later than previous laps almost in an attempt to push schumi of the circuit. Schumacher had no option but to turn in again, like Adelaide he's not going to leave room if it's going to force him of the circuit is he? No driver would. But that's common sense and if people can't even see that then there's no point in discussing it. Even when I was karting and a guy in front runs wide, I leave him room because I know he is eventually going to have to turn in to make the corner, unless I could get by before he turns in. That's just common sense, Monaco 06 is the only one Iam unsure about but Adelaide 94, hills fault, Jerez 97 can be put on both but it's certainly not all schumi. Yet people don't mention hill stupidly taking out schumi in silverstone and monza of 95, holding him up while being lapped in Suzuka 97 but let's everyone else through, then you have Villeneuve who nearly took schumi out in Imola and Suzuka of 97, yet they cry when it happens to them and the fans catch the cold to.

I hear you, but consider this. Schumacher had a clear nr 1 status. He barked, and the other driver moved over. He did'nt need to "fight" his team, Ferrari was basically his team

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16 minutes ago, BradSpeedMan said:

I hear you, but consider this. Schumacher had a clear nr 1 status. He barked, and the other driver moved over. He did'nt need to "fight" his team, Ferrari was basically his team

Right or wrong, I've always believed that Michael earned his position within Ferrari team. It was not handed to him through some contractual conditions. Privileges within were targeted for a better driver; denotes the one who had best chance to bring home bacon. (Getting a T-car, if required, and so on). People like to associate with winners, and the team eclipsed him on those terms. Austria debacle was of course unnecessary, and embarrassing. Ross spoke about it not too long ago. Michael once said - you cannot contractually order a racing driver to drive slowly. That's not how it works. You have to earn your standing with the team.

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3 hours ago, BradSpeedMan said:

I hear you, but consider this. Schumacher had a clear nr 1 status. He barked, and the other driver moved over. He did'nt need to "fight" his team, Ferrari was basically his team

Yeah but he made it like that, why should he be disrespected to the point of being called a cheat just because he pushed the rules to the limit. He lured the people he knew he would need at Ferrari to win, I also would want other teammates out my because if Iam the one building this team, like hell anyone else is going to snatch the limelight. Ferrari would be even further back without him and still to this day, no driver has had a plan to leave there current dominant team to bring up another to the same dominance level. Especially when he can win whenever he chooses because his car is so dominant. To do this and achieve it in the way he did with the amount of success and the period he had it for, outstanding, he was the best ever on and of the circuit.

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3 hours ago, Sakae said:

Right or wrong, I've always believed that Michael earned his position within Ferrari team. It was not handed to him through some contractual conditions. Privileges within were targeted for a better driver; denotes the one who had best chance to bring home bacon. (Getting a T-car, if required, and so on). People like to associate with winners, and the team eclipsed him on those terms. Austria debacle was of course unnecessary, and embarrassing. Ross spoke about it not too long ago. Michael once said - you cannot contractually order a racing driver to drive slowly. That's not how it works. You have to earn your standing with the team.

Yep exactly how I feel, he earnt every result by getting the required people who specialise in there required field to the team and working in a way that makes his job a lot easier, very very smart man.

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7 hours ago, Emmcee said:

bottas is the standout for me, to learn a new car and a new team and finish the test on top proves to me that bottas is more than ready to bring the fight to Lewis.

This should be in the Mercedes thread (I guess) but well, at this point, the only question about Bottas is whether or not he will be allowed to race. Reading Toto's comments, the prospects are bad.

Having said that, I reckon the most interesting teammate fight is the one between Ricciardo and Verstappen.

Since this is the Ferrari thread and Kimi had my heart for many seasons, I will add that I hope there is a performance fight within Ferrari. As things stand, it is impossible to tell if Kimi has upped his game or Vettel lowered his. This matters.

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Why would it be in the Mercedes thread when it's relevant to the conversation here? (This ahould be in the Redbull thread) but I agree the verstappen and Ricciardo partnership will explode this year I rekon.

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2 hours ago, Emmcee said:

Why would it be in the Mercedes thread when it's relevant to the conversation here? (This ahould be in the Redbull thread) but I agree the verstappen and Ricciardo partnership will explode this year I rekon.

Great combination. Although they evenly matched I feel Ric has more inherent natural speed. Verstappen has abit of recklessness in his driving, he'll have to fine-tune, hopefully it will come with more experience

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Yeah I agree, I feel there very very evenly matched and to be honest, the only advantage Ricciardo had last year was experience. I think it will be a different verstappen this season and Ricciardo really need to step up if he wants this team to be his as Ricciardo isn't old but his older than max, so he has to get the results to keep the seat especially with someone so talented next to him, it's going to be epic, I also feel that's this friendly relationship they have wont last long at all and this year we will really see the true side of both verstappen and Ricciardo. Brad would you go as far as saying Redbull has the most dangerous lineup on the grid? The only other team I see with two drivers almost at there Max is Ferrari, we have to wait and see with Mercedes and there new lineup.

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33 minutes ago, Emmcee said:

Yeah I agree, I feel there very very evenly matched and to be honest, the only advantage Ricciardo had last year was experience. I think it will be a different verstappen this season and Ricciardo really need to step up if he wants this team to be his as Ricciardo isn't old but his older than max, so he has to get the results to keep the seat especially with someone so talented next to him, it's going to be epic, I also feel that's this friendly relationship they have wont last long at all and this year we will really see the true side of both verstappen and Ricciardo. Brad would you go as far as saying Redbull has the most dangerous lineup on the grid? The only other team I see with two drivers almost at there Max is Ferrari, we have to wait and see with Mercedes and there new lineup.

Definately the best two team driver pairing on the grid. Most say Ferrari... I would wager RBR, simply becoz they are youngsters with enough experience driving each other forward on the limit everytime. It does come with consequences tho. Not that I believe Ferrari drivers aint, you have Kimi with experience but has reached his peak and Vettel as the best driver on the grid (my humble opinion). They are both proven race winners and wdc

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Kimi's hard to figure out isn't he? Like we all saw how bad he was in 2014 but then he improved in 2015 and then last season was incredible, different kimi than we saw the previous two seasons. I was writing him off saying he was finished, how wrong was I? IMHO he is still incredibly quick, experienced, delivers race results and has got on top of his qualifying issues, a serious threat not only to Vettel but the entire grid. Kimi proved to me that age is no factor if your still hungry enough. I also get the sense that now he has settled down and had a family he is much more relaxed and at ease with himself and that makes it a lot easier to do your job.

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2 hours ago, Emmcee said:

Kimi's hard to figure out isn't he? Like we all saw how bad he was in 2014 but then he improved in 2015 and then last season was incredible, different kimi than we saw the previous two seasons. I was writing him off saying he was finished, how wrong was I? IMHO he is still incredibly quick, experienced, delivers race results and has got on top of his qualifying issues, a serious threat not only to Vettel but the entire grid. Kimi proved to me that age is no factor if your still hungry enough. I also get the sense that now he has settled down and had a family he is much more relaxed and at ease with himself and that makes it a lot easier to do your job.

Agree. I think so too. I'm glad Ferrari extended his season

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55 minutes ago, BradSpeedMan said:

Agree. I think so too. I'm glad Ferrari extended his season

Ferrari would be brain dead to let him go, both drivers respect and get along well and have no intention of deliberately hurting each other's chances in a race. Possibly the best driver combo on the grid with the only possible exception of Redbull but it's extremely close. For Ferrari to come back solid, they need this continuous partnership with Seb and kimi, the last thing Ferrari needs to do ATM is worry about drivers.

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Sad news (if confirmed) right in the morning; SM wants to stay with Ferrari another 4 years. (say Italian sources).

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Big question - has Alison's departure last year hindered or helped the team? All self-proclaimed experts are (or were) considering Italians bunch of idiots who do need a lot of help, and predicted doom and gloom for the team, yet from what we saw to-date, I am inclined to say, they are performing quite respectfully on their own. First Sistine Chapel, and now SF70H, who would know...

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