Who Is Winning The V8 War

[nojvnof1 0]

Well Toyota, Ferrari and Honda look strong, but that's as far as I'll go in terms of predictions. Having said that, Ferrari and BMW have set the top two V8 times in testing so far, through their 'old timers' Schumacher and Villeneuve. What does this prove? Most probably nothing at all as testing is testing and only come Bahrain will be know who really is the 'big dog' so to speak.

[narain fan 0]

Well Toyota, Ferrari and Honda look strong, but that's as far as I'll go in terms of predictions. Having said that, Ferrari and BMW have set the top two V8 times in testing so far, through their 'old timers' Schumacher and Villeneuve. What does this prove? Most probably nothing at all as testing is testing and only come Bahrain will be know who really is the 'big dog' so to speak.

i would like to point out that ferrari are the only team to have tested at baharain and complete full

mileage so their engine is very very very very very very very very reliable and fast

So the ferrari haters have a point when they question the fia for their rationale behind making engines last three weekends .,come08

[Jenson_Rules 0]

The Honda hasnt suffered any failures yet either! I think all the V8's will be pretty reliable by the looks of things!

[AutoRacer5 0]

I posted my list using their experience in V8s a factor, Toyota isn't that powerful, so I'm guessing that the Ferrari will be more powerful.

[xenna 0]

I posted my list using their experience in V8s a factor, Toyota isn't that powerful, so I'm guessing that the Ferrari will be more powerful.

Any reason why you think so?

[Wez 0]

Until the Saturday afternoon of the Bahrain Grand Prix, everything in both this thread and the prediction thread is mere speculation and not to be taken to seriously!!!!

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Us F1 fans have to make predictions otherwise at this difficult time of year we will all go insane. I miss f1 so badly, I HATE THE OFF-SEASON SO MUCH

p.s. Honda will have the best engine

[AutoRacer5 0]

Any reason why you think so?

Look at how they are with regards to V8 engines, not V10 engines. In the IRL they did not do too well, 3 wins from 17 races. Chevrolet scooped up 1 win, Honda got the rest, that is why I predict Honda to do better. Cosworth have had much experience with F1 V8 engines, so I expect them to perform.

Oh, will the engines have to last 1 or 2 race weekends?

[narain fan 0]

Oh, will the engines have to last 1 or 2 race weekends?

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[Jenson_Rules 0]

im drunkse aagan! itgink honda vill br th taem wiyth bewserngine but rubbishedhassis.i yeah

[narain fan 0]

im drunkse aagan! itgink honda vill br th taem wiyth bewserngine but rubbishedhassis.i yeah

"itgink honda vill br th taem wiyth bewserngine but rubbishedhassis.i yeah"

*translation from booze language to english*

i think honda will be the team with best engine but rubbish chassis

[Jenson_Rules 0]

gotthat in1

[AutoRacer5 0]

He's more tanked than the Irish nation.

[jerry 0]

honda

ferrari

cosworth

toyota

renault

mercedes

bmw

and wdc is shumi or alonso again!sauber,bmw will be third last,button will be third,raikkonnen and montoya fourth and fifth, toyota will surprise again in the beginning of the year, torro rosso(minardi) in similar position to last year, midland(jordan) at the back(second last) ,ralf and trulli will be fifth(sorry,sixth and seventh is what i meant!) and sixth,

[Redline 0]

trying to predict when Max's next bowell movment shall be

Shortly after he pulls his head out, I guess.

As for engine power tables, I've no idea and I doubt anyone else has, really.

You can only assume that the engine people who've always produced top engines will do so again.

One exception seems to be "Mercedes" (Ilmor in Northampton, in reality). They've really gone downhill.

And anyway.......just as important......what about reliability?

[hollywood2003 0]

With all the mystery and secrecy surrounding power outputs of engine and its weight and centre of gravity, how can anyone in this forum even hazard a guess as to who's got the biggest output??

Cosworth have sprouted that they rev to 20,000rpm, but is that better that 19,800?? who knows.

BMW had the "most powerful engine" in the back of the williams for a nunmber of years yet they didnt win that many races. Honda had a very powerful engine in the back of the BAR this year but it kept blowing up.

It had an alleged 1000HP in suzuka, yet Mark Webber (in an underpowered Williams) blew Jenson Away!!

It comes down to everything in the car to make it fast: aero,Chassis,tyres,engine and driver.

A case in point: Renault won the championchip in the second best car (chassis) with the probably the third most powerful engine, (behind honda & mercedes), had very good reliability (on alonso's car) but got much good luck in the season.

I think Honda will produce a very strong engine, along with Cosworth ( but other manufacturers updates during the year will lessen their effect).

Toyota will be up there too with the ex-ferrari engine builder at the helm.

I expect BMW to struggle a little early and then come on strong later in the year

By years end there will be 20 or 30 hp in it, so chassis and aero will be even more important.

As Martin Brundle has once said "Tyres can make 1-2 seconds difference in a lap, an engines increased power can make 0.1 - 0.3 secs per lap, which would you rather have great tyres or a great engine" ( or perhaps both)??

Happy New Year

[narain fan 0]

.Honda had a very powerful engine in the back of the BAR this year but it kept blowing up.

It had an alleged 1000HP in suzuka, yet Mark Webber (in an underpowered Williams) blew Jenson Away!!

*on second thoughts,stops posting *

[The_Prancing_Horse 0]

Sheeesh! You lot know how to digress huh?

Getting back to the original question... who will produce the best motor? To me the phrase 'best motor' means 2 things - highest power output combined with greatest reliability. I will look at those 2 points.

Firstly, power output - I think, initially, this will be dictated (mostly) by who throws the biggest wad of cash at it. 3 likely suspects in that field; Toyota, Ferrari and Honda, in that order.

As for reliabilty, not quite so easy to predict. Again, I think Toyota will be high up the list. I think the chaps in Maranello have had a huge wake-up call, and things should start going a bit better for them. I would be unwilling to make any definite prediction, but I don't think Mercedes have got it quite right yet either.

[Taku 0]

Until the Saturday afternoon of the Bahrain Grand Prix, everything in both this thread and the prediction thread is mere speculation and not to be taken to seriously!!!!

obviously! d'uh

it's just fun to make predictions! have half you lot never made predictions just for the fun of it? well i guess you won't be playing ppp this year

[Wez 0]

obviously! d'uh

it's just fun to make predictions! have half you lot never made predictions just for the fun of it? well i guess you won't be playing ppp this year

Watch it smart a$$

Im just laughing coz some of the predictions are VERY far out.

My PPP aren't predictions... the the actual results! HAHAHHA

Good to see you Taku, its been a while.

[Taku 0]

BMW had the "most powerful engine" in the back of the williams for a nunmber of years yet they didnt win that many races. Honda had a very powerful engine in the back of the BAR this year but it kept blowing up.

It had an alleged 1000HP in suzuka, yet Mark Webber (in an underpowered Williams) blew Jenson Away!!

Happy New Year

the honda engines only exploded at malaysia, and that was an engine seal problem! the hondas were actually very reliable last year, an improvement on 2004.

i hope they can keep up their reliability this year.

with regards to cosworth, much hsa been said of their rev range but how have they fared in testing? hmm... testing is not indicative of bahrain pace but still...

happy new year to you too!

Watch it smart a$$

Im just laughing coz some of the predictions are VERY far out.

My PPP aren't predictions... the the actual results! HAHAHHA

Good to see you Taku, its been a while.

hehe, u too mate.

this year's ppp will be a good 'un me thinks. how long to bahrain though? 2 months? damn i hate the offseason

[Wez 0]

the honda engines only exploded at malaysia, and that was an engine seal problem! the hondas were actually very reliable last year, an improvement on 2004.

i hope they can keep up their reliability this year.

with regards to cosworth, much hsa been said of their rev range but how have they fared in testing? hmm... testing is not indicative of bahrain pace but still...

happy new year to you too!

hehe, u too mate.

this year's ppp will be a good 'un me thinks. how long to bahrain though? 2 months?

Bahrain is still too for away

[pumpdoc 2]

Of course as some have mentioned about rpm's absolute rpm doesn't mean a thing without torque as your engines rpm range is only as good as it torque range ie: if the motor revs to say 20,000 but your torque peaks at 19,000 that extra 1,000 does no good. Who builds the motor with the most grunt will be on top.............