These Drivers Will Never Win A Wdc

[Argento Reloaded 1]

In the F1 history there were 6 kinds of drivers:

1- Those who won a WDC. (Clark, Fangio, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Stewart, Rindt, Graham Hill, Piquet, Lauda '75-'77 just to name the very best of all)

2- Those who found a WDC, being at the right team at the right time, like Keke Rosberg, Schekter, Lauda (1984), Damon Hill, Jacques Villenuve, Mansell (tired to spend opportunities finaly won without competition!).

3- Those who deserved to win a WDC and never got it. (Stirling Moss, Jacky Ickx, Carlos Reutemann, Gilles Villeneuve, etc., etc., etc.)

4- Those who lost WDC (Eddie Irvine -with little help of his team "friends")

5- Those who only dreaming with a WDC (and never got it)

6- And those never deserved to be near a F1 race, like Salazar, Sato, and so many who paid for a seat.

Today with Shumi retired there is only two drivers that stands out of the crowd: Alonso and Kimi. Kimi had some bad luck until today. Alonso is group 1 (see above) and kimi can be. Then there is a group of fine drivers -they can belong to group 2 in the near future like Jenson Button, Felipe Massa, etc. T

hen there are drivers like Fisico, Barrichelo, Heidfield and Coulthard: group 5 definitively. And then are the youngsters like Niko Rosberg, Hamilton, Kovailonen, Kubica - they have open credit for at least 2007/2008.

[Kati 0]

Add Webber, Heidfeld to the list as well...

i dont agree with the last one... lol

i actually see jenson n kimi becoming wdc really soon... maybe im wrong but i do believ on them...

but i have to agree i dont see ralf, coulthard, webber, trulli, pedro, felipe, scott... none of them winning a championship...

[Medilloni 6]

In the F1 history there were 6 kinds of drivers:

1- Those who won a WDC. (Clark, Fangio, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Stewart, Rindt, Graham Hill, Piquet, Lauda '75-'77 just to name the very best of all)

2- Those who found a WDC, being at the right team at the right time, like Keke Rosberg, Schekter, Lauda (1984), Damon Hill, Jacques Villenuve, Mansell (tired to spend opportunities finaly won without competition!).

3- Those who deserved to win a WDC and never got it. (Stirling Moss, Jacky Ickx, Carlos Reutemann, Gilles Villeneuve, etc., etc., etc.)

4- Those who lost WDC (Eddie Irvine -with little help of his team "friends")

5- Those who only dreaming with a WDC (and never got it)

6- And those never deserved to be near a F1 race, like Salazar, Sato, and so many who paid for a seat.

Today with Shumi retired there is only two drivers that stands out of the crowd: Alonso and Kimi. Kimi had some bad luck until today. Alonso is group 1 (see above) and kimi can be. Then there is a group of fine drivers -they can belong to group 2 in the near future like Jenson Button, Felipe Massa, etc. T

hen there are drivers like Fisico, Barrichelo, Heidfield and Coulthard: group 5 definitively. And then are the youngsters like Niko Rosberg, Hamilton, Kovailonen, Kubica - they have open credit for at least 2007/2008.

Good way of describing how they fall into groups - certainly agree with most of them. Though if Prost deserves to be in the first group, so does Mansell - I don't think he's in the best of all time, but his never say die attitude and the way he adapted to the American scene so quickly counts for a huge amount in his case.

What am I saying, I'm a biased Brit

Must confess to a little tug of loyalties though, I really want Button to do better (a nationalistic thing!) and I believe he could just scrape into the Kimi/Alonso battle if he could find a fraction more - maybe it's a confidence thing with him.

There again, there are some great possibilities in Niko Rosberg, Hamilton, Kovailonen, Kubica group to..... Ever the optimist, I think we have some bright stars on the horizon.

[Autumnpuma 0]

In the F1 history there were 6 kinds of drivers:

1- Those who won a WDC. (Clark, Fangio, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Stewart, Rindt, Graham Hill, Piquet, Lauda '75-'77 just to name the very best of all)

2- Those who found a WDC, being at the right team at the right time, like Keke Rosberg, Schekter, Lauda (1984), Damon Hill, Jacques Villenuve, Mansell (tired to spend opportunities finaly won without competition!).

3- Those who deserved to win a WDC and never got it. (Stirling Moss, Jacky Ickx, Carlos Reutemann, Gilles Villeneuve, etc., etc., etc.)

4- Those who lost WDC (Eddie Irvine -with little help of his team "friends")

5- Those who only dreaming with a WDC (and never got it)

6- And those never deserved to be near a F1 race, like Salazar, Sato, and so many who paid for a seat.

Today with Shumi retired there is only two drivers that stands out of the crowd: Alonso and Kimi. Kimi had some bad luck until today. Alonso is group 1 (see above) and kimi can be. Then there is a group of fine drivers -they can belong to group 2 in the near future like Jenson Button, Felipe Massa, etc. T

hen there are drivers like Fisico, Barrichelo, Heidfield and Coulthard: group 5 definitively. And then are the youngsters like Niko Rosberg, Hamilton, Kovailonen, Kubica - they have open credit for at least 2007/2008.

Fantastic post

[kup 0]

Unless a non Mclaren/Ferrari bring out an unbeatable car in the next few years, I cant see anyone other than Alonso & Raikkonen winning titles in the next 5 years!

Yeah. Same eureka are on my mind. Just let`s wait and see.

[bajo39 0]

Ok, lets discuss this, In your opinion, when does a driver deserve a race seat? be objective....

That question doesn't follow from my post... The question a defiant but logical thinker might have asked is "what makes Narain less deserving of a race seat?"

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"what makes Narain less deserving of a race seat?"

I am all ears...

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Trulli,Ralf,Coulthard,Fisichella,Barrichello will never win a WDC. Sad ,but true.

Jenson & Kimi are in the danger zone, especially Jenson.

What a stupid thing to say, especially regarding kimi who is driving a ferrari next year.

What if everyone builds crap cars (like in 2004) and Toyota come out with a dominant package? Unlikely but this is f1 and it can happen, Renault suddenly jumped to the top in 2005, mclaren did in 1998, and then we would have Trulli and Ralf fighting for the championship. Or, what if renault produce a dominant car and Fisi beats kovalainen to win the title?

Jenson and Kimi arent in any danger zone you rectal passage they've both still got about 10 years of racing left at least!

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When did any Indian claim that Narain was a potential champion? I don't even think he is potential race winner on merit. Find me that Indian and I will personally whop his arse for you. Though I do maintain that Narain is about as worthy of a race seat as the rest of the fodder crowd, Sato, Yakamoto, Monteiro, Speed, Albers, etc...

There have been some in the past, without naming names, but his nickname is a hint

yes my bet is 4 fairia 2 focus kimi n for him 2 rip the opponent appart 4 the next ten years fairia have got themselves a racer n a ****in good 1 sos 4 the language but hes guna b impossible 2 catch with a reliable engine!! FA will b wininn FA with kimi with a decent car!!

Ok, I know it might be hard to write with real words when one are in a hurry, but please try. If you want to see what a really good post should ideally look like just look below.

In the F1 history there were 6 kinds of drivers:

1- Those who won a WDC. (Clark, Fangio, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Stewart, Rindt, Graham Hill, Piquet, Lauda '75-'77 just to name the very best of all)

2- Those who found a WDC, being at the right team at the right time, like Keke Rosberg, Schekter, Lauda (1984), Damon Hill, Jacques Villenuve, Mansell (tired to spend opportunities finaly won without competition!).

3- Those who deserved to win a WDC and never got it. (Stirling Moss, Jacky Ickx, Carlos Reutemann, Gilles Villeneuve, etc., etc., etc.)

4- Those who lost WDC (Eddie Irvine -with little help of his team "friends")

5- Those who only dreaming with a WDC (and never got it)

6- And those never deserved to be near a F1 race, like Salazar, Sato, and so many who paid for a seat.

Today with Shumi retired there is only two drivers that stands out of the crowd: Alonso and Kimi. Kimi had some bad luck until today. Alonso is group 1 (see above) and kimi can be. Then there is a group of fine drivers -they can belong to group 2 in the near future like Jenson Button, Felipe Massa, etc. T

hen there are drivers like Fisico, Barrichelo, Heidfield and Coulthard: group 5 definitively. And then are the youngsters like Niko Rosberg, Hamilton, Kovailonen, Kubica - they have open credit for at least 2007/2008.

Super post Argento

Just one question, where would you place Hunt? I have him safely in the 1 bracket BTW.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

I wouldnt say Alonso can be seen as group 1 just yet, his wdc last year was given to him on a plate really. I think its harsh to group sato with the pay-drivers, sato is a good driver and in a different league to, say, Pedro Diniz! Good post though

[Wez 0]

In the F1 history there were 6 kinds of drivers:

1- Those who won a WDC. (Clark, Fangio, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Stewart, Rindt, Graham Hill, Piquet, Lauda '75-'77 just to name the very best of all)

2- Those who found a WDC, being at the right team at the right time, like Keke Rosberg, Schekter, Lauda (1984), Damon Hill, Jacques Villenuve, Mansell (tired to spend opportunities finaly won without competition!).

3- Those who deserved to win a WDC and never got it. (Stirling Moss, Jacky Ickx, Carlos Reutemann, Gilles Villeneuve, etc., etc., etc.)

4- Those who lost WDC (Eddie Irvine -with little help of his team "friends")

5- Those who only dreaming with a WDC (and never got it)

6- And those never deserved to be near a F1 race, like Salazar, Sato, and so many who paid for a seat.

Today with Shumi retired there is only two drivers that stands out of the crowd: Alonso and Kimi. Kimi had some bad luck until today. Alonso is group 1 (see above) and kimi can be. Then there is a group of fine drivers -they can belong to group 2 in the near future like Jenson Button, Felipe Massa, etc. T

hen there are drivers like Fisico, Barrichelo, Heidfield and Coulthard: group 5 definitively. And then are the youngsters like Niko Rosberg, Hamilton, Kovailonen, Kubica - they have open credit for at least 2007/2008.

Absolutely Spot on mate!

Just looking at those mentioned names brought back a classic moment, who remembers Piquet punching Salazar after the latter caused an accident!

I wouldnt say Alonso can be seen as group 1 just yet, his wdc last year was given to him on a plate really.

I would disagree!

The Mclaren was by miles the quickest car in 2005 and so long as it didn't brake was a gauranteed race winner, As both Kimi & Monty showed!

Yet Alonso's race craft came out on tops!

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I wouldnt say Alonso can be seen as group 1 just yet, his wdc last year was given to him on a plate really. I think its harsh to group sato with the pay-drivers, sato is a good driver and in a different league to, say, Pedro Diniz! Good post though

to say Alonso is not a deserving WDC is just plain wrong and had I not known you better I would seriously questioned your knowledge on F1. So, I think you should stop flaming and serve us a big, fat and long apology and a promise that you will never, ever claim him undeserving again

[Jem of the Shire 0]

The Mclaren was by miles the quickest car in 2005 and so long as it didn't brake was a gauranteed race winner, As both Kimi & Monty showed!

Yet Alonso's race craft came out on tops!

How many races did Alonso actually beat the mclaren drivers using his own racecraft?! I cant think of any! You are right that mclaren was a guaranteed winner as long as it didnt break, but the problem was it usually did break and kimi wasnt able to score. When it worked, kimi easily beat alonso. 1 race which alonso did impressively beat everyone was china, I'll give him that. But he certainly didn't win by actually beating the mclarens, otherwise I wouldnt feel the way I do!

to say Alonso is not a deserving WDC is just plain wrong and had I not known you better I would seriously questioned your knowledge on F1. So, I think you should stop flaming and serve us a big, fat and long apology and a promise that you will never, ever claim him undeserving again

Well saying a title is undeserved is a bit strong but I will always feel that Kimi was the real deserving champion. If his car was 100% reliable, alonso wouldnt have stood a chance

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How many races did Alonso actually beat the mclaren drivers using his own racecraft?! I cant think of any! You are right that mclaren was a guaranteed winner as long as it didnt break, but the problem was it usually did break and kimi wasnt able to score. When it worked, kimi easily beat alonso. 1 race which alonso did impressively beat everyone was china, I'll give him that. But he certainly didn't win by actually beating the mclarens, otherwise I wouldnt feel the way I do!

Well saying a title is undeserved is a bit strong but I will always feel that Kimi was the real deserving champion. If his car was 100% reliable, alonso wouldnt have stood a chance

You are currently exposing your own capabilities as very limited.

I guess China, France, Melbourne, and Bahrain don't count in your book?

[Jem of the Shire 0]

You are currently exposing your own capabilities as very limited.

I guess China, France, Melbourne, and Bahrain don't count in your book?

China, as I said i'll give him that. Melbourne quali was a lottery so Fisi won easily, even JV was 4th for a while. Bahrain, yeah I suppose that could be an example, altho at that early stage renault appeared to have the best car (kimi started 9th but got up to 3rd). France I won't accept, Kimi had to start 13th yet still managed to get 2nd place, Alonso had it easy. When kimi didnt have problems, like Hungary, Turkey, Belgium, Canada and a couple of others, Alonso had no chance. His wins at Nurburgring, Imola and Germany were completely inherited rather than actually won on track

[bajo39 0]

I am all ears...

Which of your list do you think was the least deserving of entry to F1?

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Which of your list do you think was the least deserving of entry to F1?

Yuji Ide must be the most-undeserving-of-an-f1-seat person in history! Along with Tarso Marques

[monza gorilla 1]

Al Pease!!

[milaszewski 0]

Kubica will be the World Champion sooner than you think

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Kubica will be the World Champion sooner than you think

bit off topic but thanks for that! You are 1 of many to notice Kubica's talent

[bajo39 0]

Yuji Ide must be the most-undeserving-of-an-f1-seat person in history! Along with Tarso Marques

Oh, of course, Yuji Ide is right at the top of the list along with Alex Yoong but neither of those two were on his list - he's got to pick from Monteiro, Sato, Speed and Albers. Remember, I made the claim that Narain was less deserving than any of these and he challenged that statement. Bizzare, I know, but the Narain fans never cease to amaze me.

Kubica will be the World Champion sooner than you think

I don't think so...

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bit off topic but thanks for that! You are 1 of many to notice Kubica's talent

Kubica has had one good race, lets not make him out be king yet

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Kubica has had one good race, lets not make him out be king yet

I'm not. I dont like these damn youngsters coming in and upsetting the order anyway!

[bajo39 0]

Kubica has had one good race, lets not make him out be king yet

Indeed, Rosberg started out the same way as I recall...

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Indeed, Rosberg started out the same way as I recall...

My point exactly