Finally, Some Sense.

[Eric 0]

It will not be the sports fan that gets him toppled. It will be the Automobile Associations of the world, whom are involved with the FIA on a purely business level, and *cough* most have high moral ethics and will vote for him to be removed from his seat of power at their Extraordinary General Meeting.

Bye Bye Pork Pie...

Let's kick a##, AAA!

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4]

I can't believe the FIA meeting is not until 2/6...

Two more months...

I can't believe how arrogant he is being. Ignoring what he did - the fact that so many people have come out against him would indicate its time to go - he clearly does not have support.

[dribbler 6]

I can't believe the FIA meeting is not until 2/6...

Two more months...

I can't believe how arrogant he is being. Ignoring what he did - the fact that so many people have come out against him would indicate its time to go - he clearly does not have support.

We judge him in the main, as being wrong to stay. He clearly thinks he is right. Arrogance or loyalty and devotion?

Do you think that financially he needs to stay? Do you think he is worried what he will do for work if he is kicked out? God forbid, he might actually be passionate about his role and believe that he is the man for the job.

This high ground we put ourselves on whilst we look down and sneer makes me sick. It's so indicative of our society; Kick anyone and everyone whilst they're down, no second chances and pretend that we're all better than him.

I guess we should all be relieved that none of us have ever done anything wrong in our lives and that we don't indulge in any activity whatsoever that could be perceived as strange or frowned upon by family members or co-workers.

Let's just judge him on the last two weeks. F*ck him.

We're all a bunch of hypocritical Caligula's.

[pabloh20 1]

We judge him in the main, as being wrong to stay. He clearly thinks he is right. Arrogance or loyalty and devotion?

Do you think that financially he needs to stay? Do you think he is worried what he will do for work if he is kicked out? God forbid, he might actually be passionate about his role and believe that he is the man for the job.

This high ground we put ourselves on whilst we look down and sneer makes me sick. It's so indicative of our society; Kick anyone and everyone whilst they're down, no second chances and pretend that we're all better than him.

I guess we should all be relieved that none of us have ever done anything wrong in our lives and that we don't indulge in any activity whatsoever that could be perceived as strange or frowned upon by family members or co-workers.

Let's just judge him on the last two weeks. F*ck him.

We're all a bunch of hypocritical Caligula's.

It's arrogance. he is an arrogant man, he has shown that many times before.

Passionate about his role? Nope, I don't think so, I think he just likes a bit of power. If anyone, with his obvious intelligence, was passionate about the role, then the many wrong decisions or paths F1 has taken, since he has been there, would have been avoided. There would have been a few mistakes along the way, that's unavoidable, but I refuse to believe that there are not many, many people who could have done a lot better job than Max has done.

Kicking him while he is down? Nah, I don't think people on here are doing that. We are not in a position to kick him while he is down, only his supposed friends or colleagues can do that. Personally, I am just enjoying the comedic value of it all

It's not a case of nobody else doing anything wrong, because that's not the issue. You just have to accept that certain things, especially if you are in public view like Max is, that should be kept private. Now, if you are paying 5 hookers to indulge in that 'private' activity, then common sense dictates that it's not private anymore and it can all go horribly wrong, esecially if that information gets in to the wrong hands. Once that happens, you have to hold your hands up and say 'ahhh shoite'

Judging him on the last 2 weeks and being hypocritical? Again, I don't think that's the case, certainly not from my point of view. I have always thought he was the wrong person for the job and I have always wanted him to go. The last 2 weeks has not changed that opinion, so I don't see that as being hypocritcal. I accept that what he has done really has no bearing on his job, from my point of view and that people are just using it as an excuse to get rid of him. However, when countries that are hosting a Grand Prix don't want him there, then you also have to accept that there may be more widespread implications to his actions.

It would certainly have been better if he was removed from his position because the FIA thought he wasn't up to the job, but I think Max holds too much power to let that happen. Until he wants it to happen, barring any scandals, of course

Anyway, MG put it best, I think - you can't have a laughing stock as a figurehead.

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4]

Beautifully put Paul.

This to me is the latest in a string of questionable moral and ethical issues associated with the man.

Plus he has been there for an age and like Maggie Thatcher and Tony Blair once someone has been in supreme power above a certain length of time they start to think they are invincible/god-like. His arrogance in the face of an almost certain outcome just further demonstrates this.

I'd like to see some humility in someone in his role.

Time for a change.

[Fed up 0]

We judge him in the main, as being wrong to stay. He clearly thinks he is right. Arrogance or loyalty and devotion?

Do you think that financially he needs to stay? Do you think he is worried what he will do for work if he is kicked out? God forbid, he might actually be passionate about his role and believe that he is the man for the job.

This high ground we put ourselves on whilst we look down and sneer makes me sick. It's so indicative of our society; Kick anyone and everyone whilst they're down, no second chances and pretend that we're all better than him.

I guess we should all be relieved that none of us have ever done anything wrong in our lives and that we don't indulge in any activity whatsoever that could be perceived as strange or frowned upon by family members or co-workers.

Let's just judge him on the last two weeks. F*ck him.

We're all a bunch of hypocritical Caligula's.

I cant agree with any of this mate - As I don't have the writing skills of others on here I'll stand behind Pablo's comments and shout hear hear from the comfort of my office desk.

[monza gorilla 1]

We judge him in the main, as being wrong to stay. He clearly thinks he is right. Arrogance or loyalty and devotion?

Do you think that financially he needs to stay? Do you think he is worried what he will do for work if he is kicked out? God forbid, he might actually be passionate about his role and believe that he is the man for the job.

This high ground we put ourselves on whilst we look down and sneer makes me sick. It's so indicative of our society; Kick anyone and everyone whilst they're down, no second chances and pretend that we're all better than him.

I guess we should all be relieved that none of us have ever done anything wrong in our lives and that we don't indulge in any activity whatsoever that could be perceived as strange or frowned upon by family members or co-workers.

Let's just judge him on the last two weeks. F*ck him.

We're all a bunch of hypocritical Caligula's.

Utter tosh.

[Magus Perde 0]

Of course there is a parallel to be drawn here between Max Mosely and Prince Harry. Chosing particularly to wear a nazi uniform to a druken party just a few days before holocaust memorial day meant Prince Hairy couldn't have chosen a worse time to do this and comments like "Prince Harry is a fine young man and does not need to apologise for the incident" by The Crutchess of York, tell you that those who are in the know and have the power sometimes take a very different view to the rest of us and like to look after their own.

I'm not predticting anything here but all I am saying is that the entire Harry affair seemed to enter the papers with an enormous bang and then get forgotten very quickly as other "newsworthy horrors" took its' place........

[DOF_power 0]

We judge him in the main, as being wrong to stay. He clearly thinks he is right. Arrogance or loyalty and devotion?

Do you think that financially he needs to stay? Do you think he is worried what he will do for work if he is kicked out? God forbid, he might actually be passionate about his role and believe that he is the man for the job.

This high ground we put ourselves on whilst we look down and sneer makes me sick. It's so indicative of our society; Kick anyone and everyone whilst they're down, no second chances and pretend that we're all better than him.

I guess we should all be relieved that none of us have ever done anything wrong in our lives and that we don't indulge in any activity whatsoever that could be perceived as strange or frowned upon by family members or co-workers.

Let's just judge him on the last two weeks. F*ck him.

We're all a bunch of hypocritical Caligula's.

B*, I say B*.

This only proves that Mosley isn't just good at having all sorts of twisted perverted fantasies regarding F1 (groves, passive suspensions, torqueless engines, narrow-track, low ground effect, crappy wings) but also in his private life.

[Fed up 0]

Well the Nazi connotation is really what does it, but even without that, it's not a good thing is it?

He is the president of a global organisation, and if the perception of him is what it is - a laughing stock/weirdo pervert guy/whatever then he loses all credibility and respect, which means he cannot perform his job properly. Now you can say OK, maybe you don't think what he did was that bad, but that isn't a commonly held viewpoint, and it's the majority of people's perceptions that matter. If the public don't respect him then I doubt politicians/businessmen/other FIA members will, and therefore he can't function.

Perception is king, regardless of whether the perception is right.

well said

[AleHop 0]

We judge him in the main, as being wrong to stay. He clearly thinks he is right. Arrogance or loyalty and devotion?

Do you think that financially he needs to stay? Do you think he is worried what he will do for work if he is kicked out? God forbid, he might actually be passionate about his role and believe that he is the man for the job.

This high ground we put ourselves on whilst we look down and sneer makes me sick. It's so indicative of our society; Kick anyone and everyone whilst they're down, no second chances and pretend that we're all better than him.

I guess we should all be relieved that none of us have ever done anything wrong in our lives and that we don't indulge in any activity whatsoever that could be perceived as strange or frowned upon by family members or co-workers.

Let's just judge him on the last two weeks. F*ck him.

We're all a bunch of hypocritical Caligula's.

Agree.

But we are worse than a bunch of hypocritical Caligula's.

Blood rush!

[Medilloni 6]

Of course there is a parallel to be drawn here between Max Mosely and Prince Harry. Chosing particularly to wear a nazi uniform to a druken party just a few days before holocaust memorial day meant Prince Hairy couldn't have chosen a worse time to do this and comments like "Prince Harry is a fine young man and does not need to apologise for the incident" by The Crutchess of York, tell you that those who are in the know and have the power sometimes take a very different view to the rest of us and like to look after their own.

I'm not predticting anything here but all I am saying is that the entire Harry affair seemed to enter the papers with an enormous bang and then get forgotten very quickly as other "newsworthy horrors" took its' place........

Prince Harry was a young guy that did (in many people's eyes) a daft thing. The sort of daft thing that countless young people do on the way to understanding what, when, why is/are the right ways to behave given your age and circumstances. He was publicly chastised, and he apologised publicly, he was also told to visit Auschwitz and damn well show some respect - the sort of thing that many parents dish out to their kids when they c#ck-up (apart from the private plane bit). Peter Sellers, John Cleese and countless comedians and actors have had roles taking the p!ss out of the uniform. Harry was told off, he apologised, and he didn't have the extra 50-odd years more life-experience that Max Mosley has.

And no. I'm not a Royal family fan.

I don't believe it's the uniform that's the issue, I think many are sensitive to the whole scenario, the fact that he is involved with countries and cultures that see wrong in many aspects of his behaviour - whether it be the fact he seemed to enjoy the whole Nazi acting-thing, whether it's because he's married, or maybe dislike that some have for men that find pleasure with the company of a prostitute (or 5).

And as for this being an excuse for this to get rid of him, life isn't that fair to anybody. And Pabloh......

Judging him on the last 2 weeks and being hypocritical? Again, I don't think that's the case, certainly not from my point of view. I have always thought he was the wrong person for the job and I have always wanted him to go. The last 2 weeks has not changed that opinion, so I don't see that as being hypocritcal. I accept that what he has done really has no bearing on his job, from my point of view and that people are just using it as an excuse to get rid of him. However, when countries that are hosting a Grand Prix don't want him there, then you also have to accept that there may be more widespread implications to his actions.

........sums it up perfectly for me, except I say what he has done does have a bearing on his job, there are many posts that people hold that depend on the perceived credibility of the person.

I've always taken the rip out of Max, and have never trusted him since his March Engineering days, that's due to the opinion I hold that he has always behaved in an underhand, nasty, manipulative manner and has done no more for this sport than any other experienced business person could have done.

He's a twozak, and this episode is called 'what goes around comes around' or, 'life spanks your arse if you behave like a d#ckhead'.

[pabloh20 1]

And as for this being an excuse for this to get rid of him, life isn't that fair to anybody. And Pabloh......

........sums it up perfectly for me, except I say what he has done does have a bearing on his job, there are many posts that people hold that depend on the perceived credibility of the person.

I've always taken the rip out of Max, and have never trusted him since his March Engineering days, that's due to the opinion I hold that he has always behaved in an underhand, nasty, manipulative manner and has done no more for this sport than any other experienced business person could have done.

He's a twozak, and this episode is called 'what goes around comes around' or, 'life spanks your arse if you behave like a d#ckhead'.

Hmmmmm maybe I didn't word it quite right. Fom my own personal point of view, this escapade has no bearing on his job, because it doesn't offend me and it makes no difference to how capable I perceive him to be at his job. I never thought he was that credible to begin with, nor capable, so it's hardly surprising that my views have not changed!

However, I can see how it will affect his job when referring to the interaction with other people, other countries, different cultures, etc, etc. The Bahrain Grand Prix was the prime example of that.

But yes, he is a twozak!

[pabloh20 1]

I don't believe it's the uniform that's the issue, I think many are sensitive to the whole scenario, the fact that he is involved with countries and cultures that see wrong in many aspects of his behaviour - whether it be the fact he seemed to enjoy the whole Nazi acting-thing, whether it's because he's married, or maybe dislike that some have for men that find pleasure with the company of a prostitute (or 5).

Sorry, forgot to mention this bit in my previous post, but that's exactly how I see it.

[dribbler 6]

Utter tosh.

I haven't a problem with anyone having a different opinion to me on this, in fact it's refreshing to stir up some debate in a room full of many agreements. Normally your succinctness is refreshing and to the point, but here i find it quite dissapointingly hollow.

[goferrarigo 0]

I've got a new theory, it is Bernie who's behind all of this.

Bernie's been all supportive officially when in reality he worked Balestre thru the back, ditto with Colin Chapman on Lotus 88 thin chassis affair.

Bernie hasn't exactly been pleased with Mosley on the spypage affair, and other things too. So the puppet has been disobedient and too independent so it need to be terminated; could very well be so.

Interesting Theory....

We judge him in the main, as being wrong to stay. He clearly thinks he is right. Arrogance or loyalty and devotion?

Do you think that financially he needs to stay? Do you think he is worried what he will do for work if he is kicked out? God forbid, he might actually be passionate about his role and believe that he is the man for the job.

This high ground we put ourselves on whilst we look down and sneer makes me sick. It's so indicative of our society; Kick anyone and everyone whilst they're down, no second chances and pretend that we're all better than him.

I guess we should all be relieved that none of us have ever done anything wrong in our lives and that we don't indulge in any activity whatsoever that could be perceived as strange or frowned upon by family members or co-workers.

Let's just judge him on the last two weeks. F*ck him.

We're all a bunch of hypocritical Caligula's.

Well Said.. I agree...

and btw would this be a good time to start kicking Bernie down...

Judging him on the last 2 weeks and being hypocritical? Again, I don't think that's the case, certainly not from my point of view. I have always thought he was the wrong person for the job and I have always wanted him to go. The last 2 weeks has not changed that opinion, so I don't see that as being hypocritcal. I accept that what he has done really has no bearing on his job, from my point of view and that people are just using it as an excuse to get rid of him. However, when countries that are hosting a Grand Prix don't want him there, then you also have to accept that there may be more widespread implications to his actions.

It would certainly have been better if he was removed from his position because the FIA thought he wasn't up to the job, but I think Max holds too much power to let that happen. Until he wants it to happen, barring any scandals, of course

Countries can do this again now, but if he continues and stays on as the President, He will try his level best not to give them a second contract... He has powerful friends like Bernie (or enemy like Bernie) who can take away GP's effectively at will.... Thus no other country has condemned this action as they find no need to. Everyone wants to play it safe and be risk adverse...

[monza gorilla 1]

I haven't a problem with anyone having a different opinion to me on this, in fact it's refreshing to stir up some debate in a room full of many agreements. Normally your succinctness is refreshing and to the point, but here i find it quite dissapointingly hollow.

Really? I thought it was straight to the point.

At the risk of repeating myself, I'll repeat myself. He did nothing illegal. He probably had a lot of fun doing it. Fair play to the man. He's done a lot for motorsport, some of it good. He's become a laughing stock. His position is untenable.

He's obviously determined to stick it out. The reasons for this are debatable. I get the impression that he is not at all passionate about the sport. and I've held that view since his days at March. I would hazard a guess, and that's all it is, that he doesn't believe that anyone else is capable of doing the job, wrongly in my view, and that he must stay on to the bitter end to push through his vision. That's not passion. That's ego.

Is he capable of doing the job? Undoubtedly. But this isn't about his ability. It's about his image and that of the FIA.

I've had another look through the thread, and I don't see much in the way of sneering, or kicking a man when he's down. So I stand by my post. It's only my opinion, after all.

[AleHop 0]

Other countries... Who cares?

Some countries cut hands or stone women and they are allow to have a F1 GP or any competition ruled by FIA... It is worse than a fancy dress party I supposed.

If Max said he didn't mean to hurt jewish and he does not support nazism in any way, it was his personal and private fantasy... Would it be fine?

[monza gorilla 1]

The nazi thing is a way to sell papers. It fits neatly into the pigeonhole marked "Mosley", because there's the family history thing. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out to be a Fleet Street imagining. We'll have to wait and see. But the sins of the fathers should never be visited upon the sons. Without proof.

This is relevant:

1. Man is caught minus pants.

2. Man becomes a figure of fun and ridicule.

3. Man's continuing position as head of an international organisation becomes inadvisable.

[dribbler 6]

Really? I thought it was straight to the point.

At the risk of repeating myself, I'll repeat myself. He did nothing illegal. He probably had a lot of fun doing it. Fair play to the man. He's done a lot for motorsport, some of it good. He's become a laughing stock. His position is untenable.

He's obviously determined to stick it out. The reasons for this are debatable. I get the impression that he is not at all passionate about the sport. and I've held that view since his days at March. I would hazard a guess, and that's all it is, that he doesn't believe that anyone else is capable of doing the job, wrongly in my view, and that he must stay on to the bitter end to push through his vision. That's not passion. That's ego.

Is he capable of doing the job? Undoubtedly. But this isn't about his ability. It's about his image and that of the FIA.

I've had another look through the thread, and I don't see much in the way of sneering, or kicking a man when he's down. So I stand by my post. It's only my opinion, after all.

I never said it wasn't to the point, i merely said it was hollow. It didn't have substance. I don't need you to repeat yourself, i read your post the first time. I just need you to explain yourself if you decide to call my post 'utter tosh'.

If you were content with your thoughts the first time, you didn't need to damn mine by repeating them.

I never said that you specifically are sneering or kicking him when he's down, i'm referring to the world at large.

You get the impression he's not passionate about the sport, i think he is.

And i think it is precisely about his ability to do the job, not his personal life. Image is bullsh!t, that's what i'm fighting for. Image is something we all like to have correct because it helps us sleep at night. Personally, i'm not afraid to have a real person doing an important job, warts and all.

[monza gorilla 1]

That's where we differ. It's not what you or I think that is going to make any difference. It is about image, or perceived image, and that does mean a lot in the sphere he moves in. Many politicians have fallen by the wayside because of relatively harmless things that tarnish their image. And Max is a politician.

I couldn't care less what he's been up to, but people with influence do, and that is what will affect the outcome of the meeting in 8 weeks time. It offers a lever, an opportunity, to those that would see him gone and they will use that to the best of their abilities. I could, of course, be totally wrong and everyone will have forgotten about it, but I doubt it.

I know you weren't referring to me, or anyone here, specifically. The sneering and belittling are, as ever, the work of the media. But that sneering and belittling are precisely what will make his position difficult to hold on to. Mud sticks.

Apologies if my tosh reply made a poor impression but that's exactly what came out of my head and into the keyboard. I think it was because you used of "we" instead of "they". If you'd said "they" you'd have got a completely different reply. Does that make sense?

[dribbler 6]

That's where we differ. It's not what you or I think that is going to make any difference. It is about image, or perceived image, and that does mean a lot in the sphere he moves in. Many politicians have fallen by the wayside because of relatively harmless things that tarnish their image. And Max is a politician.

I couldn't care less what he's been up to, but people with influence do, and that is what will affect the outcome of the meeting in 8 weeks time. It offers a lever, an opportunity, to those that would see him gone and they will use that to the best of their abilities. I could, of course, be totally wrong and everyone will have forgotten about it, but I doubt it.

I know you weren't referring to me, or anyone here, specifically. The sneering and belittling are, as ever, the work of the media. But that sneering and belittling are precisely what will make his position difficult to hold on to. Mud sticks.

Apologies if my tosh reply made a poor impression but that's exactly what came out of my head and into the keyboard. I think it was because you used of "we" instead of "they". If you'd said "they" you'd have got a completely different reply. Does that make sense?

Yeah i got ya, Russ.

I think we're arguing in two different spheres anyway really. You are, quite rightly looking at the rights and wrongs in the real world; why he should go in the grand scheme of the way corporations really work.

My argument is more to do with wishing the world could be more objective in allowing real people to make real mistakes without any of the issues of image being a reason to judge someone.

I agree that he will go. May his successor be be ready for ze punishment.

[Medilloni 6]

Yeah i got ya, Russ.

I think we're arguing in two different spheres anyway really. You are, quite rightly looking at the rights and wrongs in the real world; why he should go in the grand scheme of the way corporations really work.

My argument is more to do with wishing the world could be more objective in allowing real people to make real mistakes without any of the issues of image being a reason to judge someone.

I agree that he will go. May his successor be be ready for ze punishment.

Ah, Grasshopper. When you understand the ways of Man, catch a fly with your chopsticks, don't leave athletes foot on the rice paper and put the bog lid down after a leak, you can leave the Monastry

I wish it too Steve (bold bit) - and it's probable that one of Man's biggest weakness is the 'following the crowd' and 'bandwagon' mind set that many are guilty of.

It's been great watching the many different viewpoints of this (bloody hilarious!) affair, but most of all it's refreshing to hear/see those viewpoints that would like to see the World as a better, stronger place - the category I'd put our posts in.

But really. I mean c'mon. His bare spanked arse must still be fresh in the memory of the Prince of Dubawherever

[goferrarigo 0]

Praise and Ridicule.

Mohammed ben Sulayem, the President of the Automobile and Touring Club of the UAE, who oversees all motorsports events in United Arab Emirates, has come out in favour of Max Mosley.

"I think it has been used for the wrong reasons," he said. "Surely he did not break the law. This is something that is allowed there. I am a full supporter. If someone wants to use this for the wrong reasons it is not acceptable. God gave us a very amazing gift not to forget. How fast can we forget what this man did for motorsport? Where it was and where it is now. He did not commit anything that weakens the FIA. We as members of the FIA elected him. I am not shy. I am not going to put my head in the ground."

These are people who will have the vote of confidence on Max...

Jay Leno, another talk show host, described Mosley as "the head of Formula 1 racing" used the story to complain about the strength of the Euro against the dollar, saying that American politicians can only afford one hooker, while in Europe one can get five for the same price.

Source for both parts : http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns20230.html

[dribbler 6]

Ah, Grasshopper. When you understand the ways of Man, catch a fly with your chopsticks, don't leave athletes foot on the rice paper and put the bog lid down after a leak, you can leave the Monastry

But really. I mean c'mon. His bare spanked arse must still be fresh in the memory of the Prince of Dubawherever