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[jemstride]

Alonso in quit threat over rules  

Fernando Alonso has warned he could walk away from Formula One if plans to introduce a standard engine for all teams go ahead from 2010.

The sport's governing body the International Automobile Federation (FIA) wants to make the rule change as part of its cost-cutting measures.

But Renault's double world champion said: "If they approve a single engine that would be the last straw.

"It would be time to start thinking about retirement."

FIA president Max Mosley insists F1 must reduce costs by 2010 to stay credible amid a global financial crisis.

But his proposal to introduce a standard engine has met with disapproval from the road-car manufacturers.

Ferrari threatened to review their participation in the sport arguing; "the use of same engines would deprive F1 of its competition and technological development".  

Alonso has added his voice to the concerns, although the Spaniard spoke positively about next season's rules changes.

New regulations for 2009 will see the return of slick tyres, the introduction of the new kinetic energy recovery system (Kers) and aerodynamic alterations.

The changes are, in part, designed to make overtaking easier and to increase competitiveness - and Alonso says that will help him in his quest for a third world title.

"The advantage is that practically everybody is starting from zero," said Alonso, who won the Singapore and Japanese Grands Prix last season.

"Next year I will try to be champion. You can't allow yourself to start the championship without thinking you're going to win.

"My objective is to win the title. It's a very clear objective, although it may have to be altered as the year goes on."
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For once, I agree with him, I think most of us do

[dribbler]

I'm fed up with all these idle threats. Give your words iron. Say you 'will 'or 'will not', not 'may'.

[mikathegreat2]

Gewon Alonso ya rebel!!

[Max Mosley]

The guy moans as if someone has taken him round the back of his standardised trailer and broken both his legs.  Surely even without the car advantage he's used to having he would still do OK?

[Schumikonen]

Murray Walker, on Dec 3 2008, 05:49 AM, said:

The guy moans as if someone has taken him round the back of his standardised trailer and broken both his legs.  Surely even without the car advantage he's used to having he would still do OK?

He won't do ok that's why he will quit, he is only good in a good car, he needs a rookie (not like LH) next to him to shine or a veteran like Fifi, everybody knows that.

[Max Mosley]

Quite right, Schumikonen.  Even if others forget, Alonso himself is only too aware of how _both_ his WDCs were won by his engine's superior performance and reliability.

[maure]

Murray Walker, on Dec 3 2008, 09:49 AM, said:

The guy moans as if someone has taken him round the back of his standardised trailer and broken both his legs.  Surely even without the car advantage he's used to having he would still do OK?

Funny thing, that was exactly word for word the threat made by lewisterics against Alonso while he was in McLaren and the threat that has been systematically ignored by the racist English press that are hypocritically hunting down Spaniards for their alledged racism.

It would be no surprise at all that it was you, Murray, who made the threat or, at least, was part of the lynching mob.


In any case, Alonso is saying what many others have said before. The idea of a single engine is disliked all around and many have spoken as Alonso have.

Still, it makes a good headline for lewisterics to enjoy YET another round of lynching... all you guys are good for as it is, namely, hatred.

Edited by maure, 03 December 2008 - 01:36 PM.

[BradSpeedMan]

maure, on Dec 3 2008, 03:35 PM, said:

Funny thing, that was exactly word for word the threat made by lewisterics against Alonso while he was in McLaren and the threat that has been systematically ignored by the racist English press that are hypocritically hunting down Spaniards for their alledged racism.

It would be no surprise at all that it was you, Murray, who made the threat or, at least, was part of the lynching mob.


In any case, Alonso is saying what many others have said before. The idea of a single engine is disliked all around and many have spoken as Alonso have.

Still, it makes a good headline for lewisterics to enjoy YET another round of lynching... all you guys are good for as it is, namely, hatred.

     

you are joking....right??????????

Edited by BradSpeedMan, 03 December 2008 - 02:32 PM.

[bmwf1guy]

Sure Fernando is a good talker who loves stirring the pot, but I really think he's serious on this.  F1 wouldn't be what a lot of drivers want from driving in the series.  Standardized engines I think defeats the purpose of real racing.  Sure there would be a significant cost saving, but I have a hard time with cost cutting ruining the sport.

We need more drivers willing to at least speak their minds about this if they disagree.

BMWF1Blog.com

[Max Mosley]

maure, on Dec 3 2008, 01:35 PM, said:

Funny thing, that was exactly word for word the threat made by lewisterics against Alonso while he was in McLaren and the threat that has been systematically ignored by the racist English press that are hypocritically hunting down Spaniards for their alledged racism.

It would be no surprise at all that it was you, Murray, who made the threat or, at least, was part of the lynching mob.

You've gone too far this time, Maure.  There's no need to make this personal by belittling my contributions.  As you know full well, I am the kingpin of the lynch mob.  You say 'the English press' (such as the BBC) have reported incidents of 'racist' violence in Spain...but you don't seriously think they would report such things because they really happened, surely?  The BBC is a mere pawn in my terror network that also, evidently, includes most of the world's news agencies.  If 'racist' abuse never gets reported in Spain, that is because they too are conspiring with me.  And in a similar vein, if even a single violent-but-not-at-all-racist joke on an English-language internet forum went unreported by the entire 'hypocritical' English press, it is only because they are in league with me.

BradSpeedMan, on Dec 3 2008, 02:31 PM, said:

       

you are joking....right??????????

  In his defence: yes, he always is.

bmwf1guy, on Dec 3 2008, 02:36 PM, said:

Sure Fernando is a good talker who loves stirring the pot

Indeed.  In fact I seem to remember him saying it might be good for the drivers (although bad for F1) not so long ago.  Whatever he says will no doubt be part of some cunning strategy to manipulate events.  His big skill is threatening a team for their own good, so he will surely be playing some mind games here too.

Welcome to TF1.

[freaky2]

Murray, when did we lose you???
Ok, first, where's your evidence, because you seem to be talking more crap than Alonso, and that way I simply won't believe you.
Second, what the hell, get used to the "racist violence" thing, we also make jokes around here and actually today I was afraid I might find one of our jokes published in the paper... good think TF1 is not a Spanish site, huh? I insult Hamilton, and not only him when I feel like it, I insult my favourite driver, and I'd insult one that was hindering him, why do we have to make a big deal out of it?? If there are a couple of stupid Spaniards we'll deal with it, they're not here, we shouldn't care. But you're starting to seem their British counterpart saying all this nonsense :S

[Max Mosley]

  I'm hurt that you don't believe me.  Honestly, the BBC is secretly run by me, as is the entire Spanish press.  I'm serious.  

Spoiler

Believe.

  But which TF1 joke was worthy of being printed?

[mikathegreat2]

maure, on Dec 3 2008, 01:35 PM, said:

Funny thing, that was exactly word for word the threat made by lewisterics against Alonso while he was in McLaren and the threat that has been systematically ignored by the racist English press that are hypocritically hunting down Spaniards for their alledged racism.

It would be no surprise at all that it was you, Murray, who made the threat or, at least, was part of the lynching mob.


In any case, Alonso is saying what many others have said before. The idea of a single engine is disliked all around and many have spoken as Alonso have.

Still, it makes a good headline for lewisterics to enjoy YET another round of lynching... all you guys are good for as it is, namely, hatred.

You are the main cause of why I WANT to hibernate from the forums but I guess I should just ignore you & your "lewisterics" theory!

[Schumikonen]

freaky2, on Dec 3 2008, 11:57 AM, said:

If there are a couple of stupid Spaniards we'll deal with it,

    Are you saying there might be some others Alonsos out there? Now I'm scare.

[Schumikonen]

Murray Walker, on Dec 3 2008, 02:25 PM, said:

  I'm hurt that you don't believe me.  Honestly, the BBC is secretly run by me, as is the entire Spanish press.  I'm serious.  

Spoiler

Believe.

  But which TF1 joke was worthy of being printed?

Don't worry I believe you and I will continue to do so as long as you are talking against Alonso.

[Schumikonen]

mikathegreat2, on Dec 3 2008, 04:42 PM, said:

You are the main cause of why I WANT to hibernate from the forums but I guess I should just ignore you & your "lewisterics" theory!

I wouldn't recomend that because we have a long winter in front of us and we might get really bored so let's try to use everything we can to enjoy this time until the fisrt race, let's keep watching Alonso's every move.

[DOF_power]

FUMES

December 3, 2008


Nine-and-one-half years later, racing still needs a new idea.



By Peter M. De Lorenzo

Detroit. In the very first Fumes column that appeared on June 1, 1999, I brought forth the idea of the "Hydrogen 500" and the notion of bringing genuine automotive design and engineering innovation back to the forefront at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Two years ago this coming January, my associates and I introduced "The Future of Racing" to a group of auto industry and racing heavyweights by forging the idea of reinventing the racing car of the future, machines that would pioneer the development of the alternative propulsion systems that would eventually power the production cars of the future. Subsequently, that new racing entity, the Hydrogen Electric Racing Federation, has become the Electric Racing Federation, as interested manufacturers felt that the idea of racing hydrogen-powered electric vehicles was too far down the road, but that racing pure electric vehicles would dovetail nicely with their advanced R&D programs.

I still believe that racing advanced propulsion technology is the only way to accelerate the development of that technology for use in our future production vehicles. And a broad spectrum of automotive designers, racing engineers, race promoters, sanctioning body principals and myriad others wholeheartedly agree with me.

And while we continue in our quest to make "The Future of Racing " a reality, I can't help but think that racing has blown a golden opportunity in the last few years, and here's why.

Racing has lost its mojo, period. The classic, time-honored quest of developing advanced technologies by pushing the envelope has been overwhelmed by a kaleidoscope of limitations that seem to get more oppressive at every juncture. Racing has actually devolved because of its addiction to limitations and regulations, with this relentless obsession to "level the playing field" resulting in motorized boredom, frankly, and it's absolutely killing the sport.

But how do we get around this? And what can be done to get the sport moving in a direction that will pay dividends in new excitement and new interest down the road?

The simple answer to that is that it will take a heroic combination of vision and cojones, two items that are in desperately short supply these days. It would require the powers that be in racing to stand up and put a stake in the ground and declare that "business as usual" would no longer be business as usual at all, and then set a new course for racing that would propel the sport into the 21st century.

But who could do that, really? The Bernie and Max show is clearly only about the money. Old markets "underperforming?" Then we'll just go to new markets and soak the salivating hordes until they can't pay anymore! Nice business model. And another reason why North America lacks a single Formula 1 race.

How about the France family's money, I mean, marketing machine? We all know the answer to that one, don't we? After all, this is the same racing organization that just recently switched from leaded to unleaded racing fuel, and that has converted to full-on common body template spec racing cars. I can safely say that "vision" isn't a word that's bandied about much in Daytona Beach.

And how about the American Le Mans Series? Though they've demonstrated the most willingness to embrace new technologies, until the organizers of the 24 Hours of Le Mans changes the game completely and starts over - demanding a wholesale switch to advanced propulsion specifications - then I'm afraid that series will always be a case of "wait until you see what we've got coming next year."

And that leads us to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and Tony George. As I said nine-and-one-half years ago, Tony George is the one man who could set the racing establishment on its ear. He is the one man who could declare that the 2011 Indianapolis 500 - the 100th Anniversary of the event - would be open to all comers and all propulsion ideas. He is the one man who could throw away the rule book and start over, setting the stage for an entirely new chapter in racing that would captivate racers, manufacturers and the public alike.

Unfortunately, Tony has demonstrated that he will listen to all ideas, but he will only act in the smallest of increments of change, so those racing enthusiasts longing for a new beginning, those hoping for an atmosphere at The Speedway full of blue sky notions, "why not?" ideas and wildly divergent creative solutions will just have to wait for...well, at this point, who knows how long?

Until then racing will be stuck in this holding pattern of same-old, we've always done it this way, it's all about the show, commonality is bliss mediocrity.
Not Good.

[Jez]

edit double

Edited by Jez, 03 December 2008 - 11:14 PM.

[Jez]

maure, on Dec 4 2008, 12:35 AM, said:

Funny thing, that was exactly word for word the threat made by lewisterics against Alonso while he was in McLaren and the threat that has been systematically ignored by the racist English press that are hypocritically hunting down Spaniards for their alledged racism.

It would be no surprise at all that it was you, Murray, who made the threat or, at least, was part of the lynching mob.


In any case, Alonso is saying what many others have said before. The idea of a single engine is disliked all around and many have spoken as Alonso have.

Still, it makes a good headline for lewisterics to enjoy YET another round of lynching... all you guys are good for as it is, namely, hatred.

Another reasonable post from our resident nice guy

Edited by Jez, 03 December 2008 - 11:14 PM.

[DOF_power]

Crap thread.

Edited by DOF_Renault_BMW, 04 December 2008 - 10:18 AM.

[Jean Todt]

Murray Walker, on Dec 3 2008, 07:25 PM, said:

  I'm hurt that you don't believe me.  Honestly, the BBC is secretly run by me, as is the entire Spanish press.  I'm serious.  

Spoiler

Believe.

  But which TF1 joke was worthy of being printed?

Lewis Choking Jokes!

[cavallino]

maure, on Dec 4 2008, 12:35 AM, said:

Funny thing, that was exactly word for word the threat made by lewisterics against Alonso while he was in McLaren and the threat that has been systematically ignored by the racist English press that are hypocritically hunting down Spaniards for their alledged racism.

It would be no surprise at all that it was you, Murray, who made the threat or, at least, was part of the lynching mob.


In any case, Alonso is saying what many others have said before. The idea of a single engine is disliked all around and many have spoken as Alonso have.

Still, it makes a good headline for lewisterics to enjoy YET another round of lynching... all you guys are good for as it is, namely, hatred.

Threat? Can you read? Does anyone with basic comprehension skills, anyone apart from maure think MW made a threat? Are you completly paranoid? Have you ever seen a psychiatrist? Please, for our sake, do. I worry about the people around you, wherever you may be. The only one full of hatred here is you, I don't think there is anyone else here who would be compelled to take up arms over silly little men who drive around in circles.

[dribbler]

I would love to see a picture of maure.

[BradSpeedMan]

cavallino, on Dec 4 2008, 07:24 PM, said:

Threat? Can you read? Does anyone with basic comprehension skills, anyone apart from maure think MW made a threat? Are you completly paranoid? Have you ever seen a psychiatrist? Please, for our sake, do. I worry about the people around you, wherever you may be. The only one full of hatred here is you, I don't think there is anyone else here who would be compelled to take up arms over silly little men who drive around in circles.

ah, I often forget they are little men driving around in circles, I don't know about the silly, but definately little, average man won't fit in those c#ckpits....nope.... I was karting the other day and the little guys kept zooming past me, I felt like a flippin tortoise....

......oh nevermind....

Edited by BradSpeedMan, 04 December 2008 - 06:12 PM.

[jemstride]

dribbler, on Dec 4 2008, 05:59 PM, said:

I would love to see a picture of maure.

I cant help imagining him as mr burns, simply cos of his picture. I think it suits him though, I've got to credit him for picking that picture. I would like to continue imagining him as mr burns.

Maybe I'll have a quick scan of the 'pics of you' thread

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer]

dribbler, on Dec 4 2008, 05:59 PM, said:

I would love to see a picture of maure.

 manure.jpg   24.52K   1 downloads

There - manure.

Oh you said Maure....

Well...

[pabloh20]

Meanioni, on Dec 4 2008, 08:34 PM, said:

manure.jpg

There - manure.

Oh you said Maure....

Well...

I don't remember you having so much hair, Meanie  

[Jean Todt]

maure, on Dec 3 2008, 02:35 PM, said:

Funny thing, that was exactly word for word the threat made by lewisterics against Alonso while he was in McLaren and the threat that has been systematically ignored by the racist English press that are hypocritically hunting down Spaniards for their alledged racism.

It would be no surprise at all that it was you, Murray, who made the threat or, at least, was part of the lynching mob.


In any case, Alonso is saying what many others have said before. The idea of a single engine is disliked all around and many have spoken as Alonso have.

Still, it makes a good headline for lewisterics to enjoy YET another round of lynching... all you guys are good for as it is, namely, hatred.

You must be suffering from Gas trouble!

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer]

pabloh20, on Dec 4 2008, 10:04 PM, said:

I don't remember you having so much hair, Meanie  

Damn you are right, well in my current job I do feel like I am shovelling sh** most of the time....

[pabloh20]

Meanioni, on Dec 4 2008, 10:21 PM, said:

Damn you are right, well in my current job I do feel like I am shovelling sh** most of the time....

I don't feel like I have got that high up the ladder yet