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Ok, I've watched the races this season at last (I had missed some) and have paid close attention to Kubeetza. It would appear that when I said this:

Kubeetza. Hm. Somewhere there's a big dry-erase board with the title 'DC club' written across the top and underneath are listed the names of drivers that have seemed like title-contenders but in reality were too inconsistent to wear the crown. My Infamous Gut of All-Knowing (I-GAK for short) is seeing Kubeetza on the board.

I was talking out of my pink arse. All apologies to Piotr and the rest of the Polish Fraternity for maligning a driver who has been putting in quite good performances of late.

But it's never to late for Kubeetza to prove me right :P

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The last few champions have been great drivers. (Yes yes yes you damn Alonso fans you can quote me on that) The bar's not always that high. Remember Irvine could have been world champion. Barrichello could have had Schumacher ever had another Silverstone '99. Montoya wasn't all that far off. Massa could have had a shot last year had he been paired with a rookie or something.

So yeah, with a really good car, no reason why Kubeetza can't do it.

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Many questioned whether robert would be able to drive without TC, but this year he has comprehensively put nick in the shade. Congratulations to him, he deserves the success coming his way fully at this moment in time.

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Kubica has certainly been great this year and I find myself appreciating him more and more each race. I was hoping him to win today and though it didn't happen yet, I don't think we will have to wait much longer. Perhaps a bit of rain again at some point to even out the car advantage of Ferrari and McLaren... He will be a serious WDC contender in the future.

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Kubi is only 6 points behind Hamilton in the WDC standings. with some luck his way and bad luck for Hami Massa and Kimi, Kubi could well be 2nd or third this season depending on how BMW can Keep up development and if he can drive nice tidy races

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Kubica was one of very few drivers not to make an error today, he is indeed an exceptional driver.

True :D

Many questioned whether robert would be able to drive without TC, but this year he has comprehensively put nick in the shade. Congratulations to him, he deserves the success coming his way fully at this moment in time.

He will continue to improve and start beating Nick in small amounts across the board. Nick really can't live with the F1.08 for some reason. Nick needs to find whatever it was he found when Robert first gave him a wake up call in mid 2006.

Kubica has certainly been great this year and I find myself appreciating him more and more each race. I was hoping him to win today and though it didn't happen yet, I don't think we will have to wait much longer. Perhaps a bit of rain again at some point to even out the car advantage of Ferrari and McLaren... He will be a serious WDC contender in the future.

He is BMW - Sauber new most valuable asset. Renault would be quite annoyed about now that they let him slip through their fingers.

Kubi is only 6 points behind Hamilton in the WDC standings. with some luck his way and bad luck for Hami Massa and Kimi, Kubi could well be 2nd or third this season depending on how BMW can Keep up development and if he can drive nice tidy races

BMW - Sauber kept pace after the first major developments hit the track in Spain, it looks like they should at least be able to hold if not improve on the current pace deficit they have to Ferrari and McLaren.

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BMW - Sauber kept pace after the first major developments hit the track in Spain, it looks like they should at least be able to hold if not improve on the current pace deficit they have to Ferrari and McLaren.

I think he is definitely a future WDC if he he gets the right car. BMW have an option for 2009 thereafter I fancy him in a ferrari to partner Alonso.

BMW appear to have fallen behind in development terms as the BMW was slower at Monaco compared to the Ferrari & Macca - Kubi pitted 5/6 laps earlier than Massa so his quali performance wasn't all that great, he also managed to yield a 3 second advantage to Massa before the pitstop so either he had slow in/out laps or his pace was off in the middle stint.

Definitely a driver for the future

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But BMW has said that both in Turkey and In Monaco they were cought out by the unusually low temperatures and were unable to get the tires to work right. I think that is the main thing they still have to work on to try and catch the other teams. Hopefully Montreal will be better for them

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Sounds like a bird. I am pretty sure a bird that wakes me up everyone goes 'Kubicaaaaa' Must mean good morning in Birdlish.

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Sounds like a bird. I am pretty sure a bird that wakes me up everyone goes 'Kubicaaaaa' Must mean good morning in Birdlish.

The one with the long beak? Does it chirp like Kimi?

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Ok, I've watched the races this season at last (I had missed some) and have paid close attention to Kubeetza. It would appear that when I said this:

I was talking out of my pink arse. All apologies to Piotr and the rest of the Polish Fraternity for maligning a driver who has been putting in quite good performances of late.

But it's never to late for Kubeetza to prove me right :P

Well, considering he did not win a GP yet...but, again, neither has Nick. BTW, no need to appologize. However, I feel great since I was (for once) proven right. As I recall, last year only some drivers (Hamilton, Massa, and Alonso) were praising RK. I tried pointing out, that his form was 40% bad luck, 30% bad chief engineer, 20% car, and 10% his driving. Lucky for me, Kubi came through this year :D

I dunno, unless BMW really improves, I see him go to Ferrari (he is too of a straight arrow for McLaren- Hamilton and Dennis would destroy him in a year), but I worry about 2009.

Oh, BTW- I was MAD he didn't win - Monaco was his best bet!

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I think he is definitely a future WDC if he he gets the right car. BMW have an option for 2009 thereafter I fancy him in a ferrari to partner Alonso.

BMW appear to have fallen behind in development terms as the BMW was slower at Monaco compared to the Ferrari & Macca - Kubi pitted 5/6 laps earlier than Massa so his quali performance wasn't all that great, he also managed to yield a 3 second advantage to Massa before the pitstop so either he had slow in/out laps or his pace was off in the middle stint.

Definitely a driver for the future

He said that he experienced graining of rear tires to the point of his car literally "skating" in the rain. BUT, finally, it's good to see BMW mixing it up with the top two. I mean they are consistently in the top 4 - it's already an improvement over the last year.

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BMW appear to have fallen behind in development terms as the BMW was slower at Monaco compared to the Ferrari & Macca - Kubi pitted 5/6 laps earlier than Massa so his quali performance wasn't all that great, he also managed to yield a 3 second advantage to Massa before the pitstop so either he had slow in/out laps or his pace was off in the middle stint.

I don't place any great importance on the pace of differnet cars at Monaco. It's a track that requires a high level of mechanical grip and ofcourse downforce and to make Monaco even less of a good indicator of car performance it was wet. So to say BMW have fallen behind maybe a little unfounded. Great drive by Robert though, one of his best without doubt.

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I don't place any great importance on the pace of differnet cars at Monaco. It's a track that requires a high level of mechanical grip and ofcourse downforce and to make Monaco even less of a good indicator of car performance it was wet. So to say BMW have fallen behind maybe a little unfounded. Great drive by Robert though, one of his best without doubt.

Yes but in Turkey it was just like last year, both BMW's were just unable to keep up with Ferrari and McLaren over a longer distance.

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Yes but in Turkey it was just like last year, both BMW's were just unable to keep up with Ferrari and McLaren over a longer distance.

This is very true however, the problem encountered by BMW-Sauber in Turkey was their lack of ability to make the tyres work in the cooler track temperatures more than anything else.

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Most of the best performances from BMW this year seem to have came at Aero circuits, so I am guessing that maybe on slower circuits they are at a minor disadvantage because they may not heat their tyres as aggressively as the red and silver cars. If they fix that issue, I feel they would have a great shout for a win, as their car is close enough in long run performance to trouble macca and ferrari if they get amongst them on the grid with a decent amount of fuel.

Their first win is coming, and I feel it is coming pretty soon, the performance they have gained since they took over Sauber in 2006 is staggering something Toyota and Honda could do with learning from.

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Their first win is coming, and I feel it is coming pretty soon, the performance they have gained since they took over Sauber in 2006 is staggering something Toyota and Honda could do with learning from.

Very true. The thing with BMW did that other teams did not was look for a team to buy that already knew what they were doing. BMW was really just a huge cash injection to Sauber and now they have slowly built a very good group of people around this core they invested in. Also BMW took the approach that they cant win right away, they saw they needed to slowly develop and they did that very nicely. I think with 2009 coming and the total revamp of the rules can really shift the power on the grip. Sure Ferrari and Meclaren will still be right on the front but I think if BMM can continue the progress they have made now they can easily make 09 a true 3 team race for the WDC and the WCC and Kubi will be an integral part in that.

sadly the engine rules have really cut the part where BMW have a real advantage in racing. BMW has always been an engine constructor first and foremost. Their F1 and road car engines have always been at the leading edge of the field.

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Agreed, the freeze on engines has harmed some people more than others, if someone had one that was slightly lacking in power they are now stuck with it for another 5 years. Personally I think some power equivalency rules would have been fairer, whereby the teams have an RPM limit imposed of their own, so that their engines put out the same amount of HP.

As for Toyota, and Honda I just think their demise is because, whilst the Japanese style of management by committee may work well in business it doesnt work well in a sporting environment. By hiring a man like Brawn honda are showing they are starting to learn, but Toyota just languish in the midfield every season.

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Come on, you must have studied la raiz Kubica, right? :P

:lol:

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