F1 To Be Decided By Wins

[freaky2 1]

So you like Hamilton, so what? So did I once and, in fact, still enjoy some of his driving. Again, so what?

Now insult drivers other than Hamilton to cover up, for example, for Hamilton insulting Kimi, and I will call you a lewisteric because that is what you would be. Is that obsession? Nope. In that case, it would be a fact that you are acting like a lewisteric.

If the behavior persists and you continue to insult, particularly if you use bigotry and hatemongering as Murray, Fedup, Abbas, etc have in the past, you would move from "acting" like a lewisteric to _being_ one.

Perhaps it would help you understand if I tell you that I would much prefer for Murray to be who he claims to be, that is, a world-reknown expert on several academic fields (which is the implication of his claims... even if he does not even comprehend that) and that same applies to cavallino. Why? Because that would make them interesting. Instead they run their mouths, making fools of themselves with grand showings of ignorance, which is not interesting but is amusing. Interesting is much better than amusing, but amusing is what this forum yields... in general.

Hey, hey, don't call Abbas a Lewisteric! He's just the responsible of the Hamilton church, but even so he's not unreasonable... he hasn't forced us to join it (yet).

The thing about AI is that it requires humans to create it (currently) and unless you have a superfast AI that can evolve (which we don't yet) someone has to input all the parameters and scenarios that *could* happen. Which leaves a problem. Let me illustrate:

Paris air show a few years ago where the Airbus A320 was being shown off. This was one of the early fly by wire planes. The pilot flies past at almost stall speeds to demonstrate the clever computer control. Goes to pull out, throttles on max. Plane carries on and crashes in a wood. Subsequent investigation reveals that the computer over-rode the pilot as it thought that the pilot's actions went beyond the expected limits of what the plane could/should do.

This is where the problem occurs. I remember the race when Hakkinen hit a groundhog (Canada) or when an Irish guy ran across the track with a flag. Humans have the capability to recognise situations and react accordingly. OK we don't react as quickly as computers but we are more flexible in terms of how we identify situations, analyse and react. I don't believe AI is there yet. I've seen some of the stuff going on with driverless cars and its very interesting - clearly progress being made, but I wonder how an AI car would deal with the situation like when Alonso crashed on the home straight in Brazil a few years back, spinning across the track, debris everywhere. Or like when Schui drove the best part of a race in Silverstone stuck in 5th gear or in those situations where team orders come into play and one car has to give way or making a decision to switch to dry tyres earlier in a drying track scenario to gain competitive advantage, or when someone makes a mistake and lets someone else through, or.... (I could go on).

Yes of course, some boffin could create something to do this, but it is not there yet. I predict a crash-fest extraordinaire.

Moreover whats the point? Is that going to be exciting? No! F1 is about man and machine working together and what makes it interesting are all the flaws and f***-ups. I'd want to see robotic F1 about as much as CGI generated porn......

Thank you for a nice post.

[monza gorilla 1]

Bernie doesn't seem to have the support he says he does. Remember that he said that the teams are all in favor of the medal system. Turns out that no team has sat down to discuss their position on this yet. Bernie caught in another lie.

I don't like this system. In a series, or league such as football, hockey, rugby or whatever, these all run on points because they are series just like F1. Amateur sports where it is one event such as the Olympics, medals work then. I don't see the current system being broke so I don't want it fixed.

Of course, things like the pentathlon, decathlon and shooting and such are decided by points. The person with the most points gets the gold. Maybe someone should explain this to Bernie.

[maure 1]

The thing about AI is that it requires humans to create it (currently) and unless you have a superfast AI that can evolve (which we don't yet) someone has to input all the parameters and scenarios that *could* happen. Which leaves a problem. Let me illustrate:

Paris air show a few years ago where the Airbus A320 was being shown off. This was one of the early fly by wire planes. The pilot flies past at almost stall speeds to demonstrate the clever computer control. Goes to pull out, throttles on max. Plane carries on and crashes in a wood. Subsequent investigation reveals that the computer over-rode the pilot as it thought that the pilot's actions went beyond the expected limits of what the plane could/should do.

This is where the problem occurs. I remember the race when Hakkinen hit a groundhog (Canada) or when an Irish guy ran across the track with a flag. Humans have the capability to recognise situations and react accordingly. OK we don't react as quickly as computers but we are more flexible in terms of how we identify situations, analyse and react. I don't believe AI is there yet. I've seen some of the stuff going on with driverless cars and its very interesting - clearly progress being made, but I wonder how an AI car would deal with the situation like when Alonso crashed on the home straight in Brazil a few years back, spinning across the track, debris everywhere. Or like when Schui drove the best part of a race in Silverstone stuck in 5th gear or in those situations where team orders come into play and one car has to give way or making a decision to switch to dry tyres earlier in a drying track scenario to gain competitive advantage, or when someone makes a mistake and lets someone else through, or.... (I could go on).

Yes of course, some boffin could create something to do this, but it is not there yet. I predict a crash-fest extraordinaire.

Moreover whats the point? Is that going to be exciting? No! F1 is about man and machine working together and what makes it interesting are all the flaws and f***-ups. I'd want to see robotic F1 about as much as CGI generated porn......

Yep. Some of the scenarios you bring up apply, indeed. It is a very complex problem. Of course, it is a only matter of time... in principle.

I read somewhere last year that some 60% to 70% of the problem of fully autonomous driverless cars had been solved. There is that.

[maure 1]

Hey, hey, don't call Abbas a Lewisteric! He's just the responsible of the Hamilton church, but even so he's not unreasonable... he hasn't forced us to join it (yet).

What does that say about your opinion of Murray and Fedup...

[maure 1]

Bernie doesn't seem to have the support he says he does. Remember that he said that the teams are all in favor of the medal system. Turns out that no team has sat down to discuss their position on this yet. Bernie caught in another lie.

I don't like this system. In a series, or league such as football, hockey, rugby or whatever, these all run on points because they are series just like F1. Amateur sports where it is one event such as the Olympics, medals work then. I don't see the current system being broke so I don't want it fixed.

It's just about what you value more... wins or regularity.

I, for one, am quite indifferent to either proposition. What we've got isn't that great but Ecclestone's proposition isn't that great either.

After all, if you apply the proposed method to last season, changes to the final standings would've not made much of a difference at all, imo.

The only real value of Ecclestone's idea is how confused some people are over it... that's amusing.

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4]

Thank you for a nice post.

Thank you for a nice thank you

[mikathegreat2 2]

So you like Hamilton, so what? So did I once and, in fact, still enjoy some of his driving. Again, so what?

Now insult drivers other than Hamilton to cover up, for example, for Hamilton insulting Kimi, and I will call you a lewisteric because that is what you would be. Is that obsession? Nope. In that case, it would be a fact that you are acting like a lewisteric.

If the behavior persists and you continue to insult, particularly if you use bigotry and hatemongering as Murray, Fedup, Abbas, etc have in the past, you would move from "acting" like a lewisteric to _being_ one.

Perhaps it would help you understand if I tell you that I would much prefer for Murray to be who he claims to be, that is, a world-reknown expert on several academic fields (which is the implication of his claims... even if he does not even comprehend that) and that same applies to cavallino. Why? Because that would make them interesting. Instead they run their mouths, making fools of themselves with grand showings of ignorance, which is not interesting but is amusing. Interesting is much better than amusing, but amusing is what this forum yields... in general.

"Lewisteric" mika after 2008 Italian GP: "bah, so what if he nearly made Webber crash, he's Lewis Hamilton he's the cooliest ever & he is unstoppable".

F1 fan mika: "Lewis better calm down or he'll get points deducted if he keps this agro driving up".

Comparison of normal me & "Lewisteric" "acting" me!

[DOF_power 0]

Moreover whats the point? Is that going to be exciting? No! F1 is about man and machine working together and what makes it interesting are all the flaws and f***-ups. I'd want to see robotic F1 about as much as CGI generated porn......

I don't to see another Valencia 2008. I've seen scalectrix races far more interesting than that.

And the point is it's called motorsport, not driversport, and from 1906 till 1949 GP racing went on just fine without a world driver's championship.

I'd turn back the time to when technological innovation, pushing the envelope, race on Sunday sell on Monday where the important things.

[cavallino 2]

The usual contradictory rambilngs from cavallino.

Can you read? Is it really impossible to have a normal conversation with you because you twist everytihng. I can imagine you going to a bar to order a drink and misintepreting the barman's reply, and then shoting at him for 10 minutes about how he is a Lewisteric.

First he says that no money is being spent on research on the subject, then that the subject is other, then that the problem must be reduced, then that the problem is other, then...

Is there money being spent on driving racing cars around particular racing circuits? I don't think so. There. Is that so hard to understand?

The only amusing thing is that you consider yourself a "pretentious lying ignorant clueless idiot". It could be no other way. After all, only one such person can consider problems as earth's climate or AI a "simple" matter where all is known...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Rainmaster 7]

This suggestion of Bernie's is pure arse gravy. The FIA does not approve (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/for...icle5241284.ece), more importantly neither do I, so it won't happen; anyone who thinks it should has stupid syndrome (of course I don't mean that in an offensive way). The change itself wouldn't make a great deal of difference to the end result (for the years it would have made a difference, see table below), so it's not the decision which I think is dumb, it's the reasoning behind it (see Erica's post).

Actual champs Medal champs

1958 Hawthorn Moss

1964 Surtees Clark

1967 Hulme Clark

1977 Lauda Andretti

1979 Scheckter Jones

1981 Piquet Prost

1982* Rosberg Watson

1983 Piquet Prost

1984 Lauda Prost

1986 Prost Mansell

1987 Piquet Mansell

1989 Prost Senna

*Points would have been needed as a decider.

[The Rumble Strip 0]

An awful idea and one that provides less interest further down the grid.

A F1 title must be decided on consistency.

[dribbler 6]

Can you read? Is it really impossible to have a normal conversation with you because you twist everytihng. I can imagine you going to a bar to order a drink and misintepreting the barman's reply, and then shoting at him for 10 minutes about how he is a Lewisteric.

Brilliant imagery. But surely he would have been thrown out for being under age?

Anyway, where is our resident f*ck nugget?

[Quiet One 15]

Brilliant imagery. But surely he would have been thrown out for being under age?

Anyway, where is our resident f*ck nugget?

Did you call?

Oh, you meant the other one.

[mikathegreat2 2]

Brilliant imagery. But surely he would have been thrown out for being under age?

Anyway, where is our resident f*ck nugget?

He must've ran out of bullsh1t!