Super Aguri To Get An Entry

[Ctrl300 0]

If the only overtaking one is going to see is that of backmarkers something is wrong. Defending slower teams is ok, but when these teams become rediculously slow its just pointless arguing their case. They should be allowed to either get some help in the departments where they are most lacking or they should pack up and leave for another series. Seriously.

Ruins the whole thing? How?? Did you see Hakkinen's pass on MS at spa 2000? It was the overtake of the season and involved a backmarker!

What is this, are you all politicians? Can't you have an argument without picking out single instanses where the other parts argument is wrong?

I, as most others (maybe excluding jensonstride and that Coulthard fan) would like to see a more competitive field rather than 6-8 cars being miles below par.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

If the only overtaking one is going to see is that of backmarkers something is wrong. Defending slower teams is ok, but when these teams become rediculously slow its just pointless arguing their case. They should be allowed to either get some help in the departments where they are most lacking or they should pack up and leave for another series. Seriously.

The 2008 regs have been revealed today, see itv-f1.com, making it much easier for independent teams to be competitive. If its so pointless why did Minardi bother staying f1 for 20 years and have such a huge fan base. Can't you see this is good for f1, not only because of the bigger grid, but sato being in f1 means f1 is popular in Japan

I, as most others (maybe excluding jensonstride and that Coulthard fan) would like to see a more competitive field rather than 6-8 cars being miles below par.

F1 has an extremely competitive field as it is. What you seem to want is an f1 with all the teams being as fast as each other. Thats ridiculous. F1 will always have backmarkers. You're following the wrong sport

[Ctrl300 0]

The 2008 regs have been revealed today, see itv-f1.com, making it much easier for independent teams to be competitive. If its so pointless why did Minardi bother staying f1 for 20 years and have such a huge fan base. Can't you see this is good for f1, not only because of the bigger grid, but sato being in f1 means f1 is popular in Japan

F1 has an extremely competitive field as it is. What you seem to want is an f1 with all the teams being as fast as each other. Thats ridiculous. F1 will always have backmarkers. You're following the wrong sport

So what you are saying is that marketing should rule the sport? Ok, lets replace Coulthard (Scotland) and Kimi (Finland) with two Chinese guys. Think of having 1.3 Billion fans in exchange for 4 mill fins and 4 mills schotts, that would be just super. Talent has no say in your world....

Backmarkers are, as I have said again and again, good, but one need to raise their competitiveness in order for them to play a bigger part in the circus.

And no, all teams should not be equal, but one need to close the current 5 sec a lap gap a bit. Get my point now or do you ned it spoon fed?

[monza gorilla 1]

I, as most others (maybe excluding jensonstride and that Coulthard fan) would like to see a more competitive field rather than 6-8 cars being miles below par.

Works in GTs, and used to work in F1, albeit a long time ago. Do you remember when there was a separate F1 class for normally aspirated cars? Going back further, it was common for F2 and F1 cars to run in the same race. I'm not advocating it, just stating that it's happened before and will no doubt happen again.

[Ctrl300 0]

Works in GTs, and used to work in F1, albeit a long time ago. Do you remember when there was a separate F1 class for normally aspirated cars? Going back further, it was common for F2 and F1 cars to run in the same race. I'm not advocating it, just stating that it's happened before and will no doubt happen again.

And it works in WRC. Nevertheless, I don't want it in F1. The bigger teams have ofcource alot more funds and should help the less fortunate (farmer) teams (that is what they esentially are) to at leat being able to have a closer midfield. It's just my opinion, I guess I'm the only one who like to ses a race not seperated into three seperate fields. Look at the Australian V8 supercar series, you have dealership and factory teams, and still its a close field.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

So what you are saying is that marketing should rule the sport? Ok, lets replace Coulthard (Scotland) and Kimi (Finland) with two Chinese guys. Think of having 1.3 Billion fans in exchange for 4 mill fins and 4 mills schotts, that would be just super. Talent has no say in your world....

No thats not what I'm saying. What I said was its good for the sport, you've just completely changed what I said. And don't start being c#cky, you're talking complete crap and cant give me any good reason why having SAF1 in f1 is a bad thing. Your only reason being 'they're slow' SO WHAT we've had plenty of slow cars in f1 before and its never caused a problem. And you didnt answer me about minardi, probably cos now you've realised what a dunce you are. Do you think minardi's entire existence was a waste of time?

[monza gorilla 1]

And it works in WRC. Nevertheless, I don't want it in F1. The bigger teams have ofcource alot more funds and should help the less fortunate (farmer) teams (that is what they esentially are) to at leat being able to have a closer midfield. It's just my opinion, I guess I'm the only one who like to ses a race not seperated into three seperate fields. Look at the Australian V8 supercar series, you have dealership and factory teams, and still its a close field.

That's been proposed but, as all teams are selfish by nature, it failed to get off the ground. Jordan and Minardi did receive some help, I believe, but the sums of money are so large it would be unreasonable to expect any team to contribute to a rival's success.

The alternative is to artificially close up the field by means of rules and technical regulations. Then we end up with CCWS, which sort of defeats the object.

[Ctrl300 0]

No, I am not against SAF1, all i'm saying is that I think that there should be more than a crash test to pas before one grants entry to their machine.

And no, I really liked Minardi, but they should have been given more help (eg a bigger cake of the travel and tv money) so that they could be able to be a bit more competitive. Ergo, thats why Paul was so keen on not signing the concord. Marketing took a front seat as soon as Ferrari got that huge signing fee, and Minardi and Jordan was looking at lose change to sign.

I think that teas should be allowed to buy, lets say, the big teams old cars for a small sum so that the field could be closer. They could then use their limited funds for improvements, and voila, we have a good race o our hands. A good example is Sauber buying the old Ferraris, worked well.

[monza gorilla 1]

I think that teas should be allowed to buy, lets say, the big teams old cars for a small sum so that the field could be closer. They could then use their limited funds for improvements, and voila, we have a good race o our hands.

That's something we agree on, then.

[Ctrl300 0]

That's something we agree on, then.

Good!

[Jem of the Shire 0]

No, I am not against SAF1, all i'm saying is that I think that there should be more than a crash test to pas before one grants entry to their machine.

And no, I really liked Minardi, but they should have been given more help (eg a bigger cake of the travel and tv money) so that they could be able to be a bit more competitive. Ergo, thats why Paul was so keen on not signing the concord. Marketing took a front seat as soon as Ferrari got that huge signing fee, and Minardi and Jordan was looking at lose change to sign.

I think that teas should be allowed to buy, lets say, the big teams old cars for a small sum so that the field could be closer. They could then use their limited funds for improvements, and voila, we have a good race o our hands. A good example is Sauber buying the old Ferraris, worked well.

I can agree with that - but I still don't think its a bad thing for a small team to enter f1 even if they are sure to be slow

[monza gorilla 1]

Good!

[Ctrl300 0]

I can agree with that - but I still don't think its a bad thing for a small team to enter f1 even if they are sure to be slow

At least we met half way!

[bajo39 0]

big news day today.

looks like saf1 will be on the grid in 2006. overweight, and using 2002 arrows chassis. they will be appalingly slow, but i'm glad the team will make it onto the grid.

now, for teh driver announcements. i predict davidson and sato.

Bad news, safety in F1 has taken a giant leap backwards

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Bad news, safety in F1 has taken a giant leap backwards

no cos the cars will have to pass all the strict tests won't they

[bajo39 0]

no cos the cars will have to pass all the strict tests won't they

Yes but no matter what the tests, there is a strong possibility that the driver lineup could be Takuma Sato and Narain Karthikeyan and given that this dangerous duo would otherwise be out of F1 next season, we have most certainly taken a step back, a giant one IMO.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Yes but no matter what the tests, there is a strong possibility that the driver lineup could be Takuma Sato and Narain Karthikeyan and given that this dangerous duo would otherwise be out of F1 next season, we have most certainly taken a step back, a giant one IMO.

has anyone ever come close to being hurt due to sato or nk's driving? No. Don't be so ridiculous

[Taku 0]

You are right, he is not driving deliberately into people, but still, they hould reconsider his super licence after some of the things he has done. Although, I think most drivers should be prone for a review at some stage or another, let say after their first year. This to ensure that they are the real deal, or posess the skills and mentality necessary to be on the grid.

Im all for SAF1, but again, if they are not running cars that are new enough (Arrow chassis) they should be forced to wait until they can produce a reasonable machine. Passing a crash test does not mean that they will be able to be near as fast enough to validate an entry. There is no point showing up and lapping 7 secs slower than the front runners.

yes but barring alex yoong, can anyone remember any driverc in f1 being that far off teh pace? sato was kind of slow compared to button, but at most he was .5 seconds a lap slower during the race, and .75~1 in quali. that's not so bad seeing jenson is touched by the hand of God.

[bajo39 0]

has anyone ever come close to being hurt due to sato or nk's driving? No. Don't be so ridiculous

I recall DC's head nearly being taken off in Monaco, GF nearly dying in the same incident and a separate incident two seasons prior where he was run over - thank Heavens no fatalities or serious injuries were incurred but it can only be a matter of time IMO. NK attempted a homicide by vehicle on JV in Belgium - enough said.

[Taku 0]

don't be so dramatic. if you read the previous posts it's clear that monaco wasn't sato's fault. and whilst naraian's move at spa was overly ambitious, no one was going to be charged with attempted murder. it's so hard to take you seriously when you resort to such hyperbole & dramatics. i may support drivers that aren't popular but i don't try and denounce other drivers by making up lies or using blatantly alarmist exagerrations!

[bajo39 0]

don't be so dramatic. if you read the previous posts it's clear that monaco wasn't sato's fault. and whilst naraian's move at spa was overly ambitious, no one was going to be charged with attempted murder. it's so hard to take you seriously when you resort to such hyperbole & dramatics. i may support drivers that aren't popular but i don't try and denounce other drivers by making up lies or using blatantly alarmist exagerrations!

You say it is dramatic but you will realize it is in fact well justified when the inevitable happens and a driver/fan/marshall is killed because the FIA has essentially no minimum standard for the quality of drivers it allows to compete.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

I recall DC's head nearly being taken off in Monaco, GF nearly dying in the same incident and a separate incident two seasons prior where he was run over - thank Heavens no fatalities or serious injuries were incurred but it can only be a matter of time IMO. NK attempted a homicide by vehicle on JV in Belgium - enough said.

You really are a f***ing idiot arent you. GF nearly died? He wasnt even remotely hurt you weirdo! DC's head nearly being taken off? Is that a joke? Anyway that incident was BAR's fault telling him to stay out. You have no basis for your very weak argument. Sato has had a few collisions but never serious ones. He's had 3 seasons in f1 and no-one's been hurt

[bajo39 0]

You really are a f***ing idiot arent you. GF nearly died? He wasnt even remotely hurt you weirdo! DC's head nearly being taken off? Is that a joke? Anyway that incident was BAR's fault telling him to stay out. You have no basis for your very weak argument. Sato has had a few collisions but never serious ones. He's had 3 seasons in f1 and no-one's been hurt

Fortunately DC was not injured but if you review the tape as I have done it is quite clear that Taku's rear tyre came perilously close to DC's head. Given the grip of those tyres and the momentum, I am sure that if contact had been made we would be talking about a serious neck injury if not a fatality. Likewise with GF, had the impact been on his head, for example by an upwardly protuding element like the airbox, he too could have been injured severely. In each of these incidents, there was greta potential for serious injury.

[Jem of the Shire 0]

Fortunately DC was not injured but if you review the tape as I have done it is quite clear that Taku's rear tyre came perilously close to DC's head. Given the grip of those tyres and the momentum, I am sure that if contact had been made we would be talking about a serious neck injury if not a fatality. Likewise with GF, had the impact been on his head, for example by an upwardly protuding element like the airbox, he too could have been injured severely. In each of these incidents, there was greta potential for serious injury.

Even if thats true, its completely irrelevant. It wasnt a result of sato driving recklessly, it was a result of BAR telling him to stay out rather than pitting. Got any more brilliant examples? Oh and perhaps you remember Australia 2001. Ralf outbraked himself, hit JV, a wheel flew off and hit a marshal. Should Ralf be banned from f1? Monza 2000, Trulli hit his team-mate frentzen which caused chaos, again a wheel flew off and a marshall died. Should trulli be banned from f1? I hope I'm convincing you now that your comments are absolutely ridiculous

[Taku 0]

(EDIT - this post is in response to bajo's post) - correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't it ralf, and also your beloved jacques, who were indirectly involved in the unfortunate fatality of a marshal?

i would never even consider blaming them for the deaths of the marshals, but the fact is they were more to blame than sato has ever been for fatalities of marshals, spectators or even other drivers. should they have their super licenses revoked? i think not.

but wait, sato has been involved in such major collisions on the track (such as belgium 2005) where the other driver has been so incapacitated and near death that he has been able to jump out of his car immediately and tap sato on the helmet in frustration, just before he was read his last rites of course, and numerous spectators went into a coma in sympathy, never to regain consciousness. yes, sato is a danger to all those that surround him. drivers, marshals, spectators, tv crew and commentators too.

NO - the only people who's health is in serious danger if sato takes to the track is ben, bajo and senna, who might have a heart attack if they see sato and super aguri nintendo f1 on the grid.