Does Kimi Break His Toys?

[demonhorse 0]

there is no use in trying to argue with him...you can talk to the wall...no matter what we say hes still going to keep arguing and justyfying himself....am getting bored reading his useless post...

and IM getting ****ing bored of you people making it personal.... im never going to agree with you, thats why and opinion is an opinion

weather you are convinced or not...your remarks on kimi is crap!

mika himself has admitted that given the right tool kimi could kick a##.....well....have you read the feb2004 f1 racing interview with mika...did you read his comments on kimi and other drivers? when mika himself has put blame on the car and not kimi i wonder why the hell should we be convinced by you....even if (when) kimi wins the wdc i am sure you will have some excuse or the other to say that it was a fluke

DID I SAY YOU SHOULD BE CONVINCED???? NO I ****ING DIDNT YOU IGNORANT Sh#t.

[raikkonen_dominates 0]

Indeed. As I have said in the past, he is a race winner, but not a WDC.

And Stop with the patronising BS just because I choose not to believe the KR-propaganda machine. You don't see me saying people are stupid just because they hate schumacher, I disagree with them but I respect their right to a different opinion.

All I DO see in the pro-Kimi argument is excuses... poor excuses that everything is to blame BUT the boy blunder himself... excuses that he shudda, wudda, cudda... but the main thing is he DIDNT, because Fernando and Michael DID...

Well, I guess next year we will see many excuses for Alonso

and IM getting ****ing bored of you people making it personal.... im never going to agree with you, thats why and opinion is an opinion

Well, If we are talking about opinions and not facts, I could say that these drivers who have got a great car and are only driving for statictics,not speed, are ****ing boring!

DID I SAY YOU SHOULD BE CONVINCED???? NO I ****ING DIDNT YOU IGNORANT Sh#t.

How could someone be convinced about pure opinion?

[Autumnpuma 0]

This debate has lost all intelligence and has slipped into the realm of personal attacks. Pathetic.

I urge the moderators to delete this thread. Everyone has voiced thier opinions on this topic and now, since there is nothing more to say, we are attacking one another.

[monza gorilla 1]

Happens all too often, I'm afraid. I don't usually bother contributing to such threads, but this time I might as well pitch in. Some time ago, Bruce posted his exasperation with the personal attacks that were occurring regularly on this site. (I'm sure you've noticed it, Mike, it's still pinned.) Things quietened down, but I notice that recently this sort of behaviour is again on the increase. It bothers me. And others, I'm sure.

That said, and back on topic, it is my view that the rougher you are with any piece of machinery then the sooner it will break. I know that many disagree with this, admittedly simplistic, view but it does hold water. Rev limiters and TC should protect the engine to some extent but violent, rather than smooth, applications of throttle and brakes must put extra load on components and bring about their premature demise. My opinion.

[Autumnpuma 0]

I had noticed Bruce's pinned 'rant' and I heartily agree with it. I'm all for free speech. Posters should be able to voice their ignorant and brilliant thoughts on this forum. What people should NOT do is drop themselves to the level of cursing at another poster simply for holding a different view or for not seeing the briliance of a posted opinion.

I would urge people to show more grace in the face of stupidity. Only a fool debates a fool. The wise simply let it go. If you run across a fool, leave him (or her) alone in their foolishness. No response is better than a string of senseless cursing.

Thanks, Russ, for adding your opinion to this debate. I happen to agree with it, but even if I didn't, I would still appreciate it.

[raikkonen_dominates 0]

This debate has lost all intelligence and has slipped into the realm of personal attacks. Pathetic.

I urge the moderators to delete this thread. Everyone has voiced thier opinions on this topic and now, since there is nothing more to say, we are attacking one another.

Well, it actually started from personal attack. Or who can say that there is some intelligence blaiming Kimi for braking his motor and mechanics in motorsport, not by collisions or crashing, but driving too fast!

[Autumnpuma 0]

Well, it actually started from personal attack. Or who can say that there is some intelligence blaiming Kimi for braking his motor and mechanics in motorsport, not by collisions or crashing, but driving too fast!

I have made no personal attacks against members of this forum. I have expressed my opinion. Agree, or disagree with that opinion to your heart's content.

[demonhorse 0]

Exactly what I have been saying, and I have only been abused for it by 2 members, so I fight fire with fire.

[raikkonen_dominates 0]

I have made no personal attacks against members of this forum. I have expressed my opinion. Agree, or disagree with that opinion to your heart's content.

Ok, I didn't mean it as a personal attack against me. But as a finn and Raikkonen-fan it was a bit too irritating, because I really can't find any analytical approach to this kind of 'too fast driving' -issue. It's formual one, god's sake. What do you whant there? Volvos?

[Autumnpuma 0]

Ok, I didn't mean it as a personal attack against me. But as a finn and Raikkonen-fan it was a bit too irritating, because I really can't find any analytical approach to this kind of 'too fast driving' -issue. It's formual one, god's sake. What do you whant there? Volvos?

My approach is always analytical and well-thought-out. You may disagree with my conclusions, but that's life. Your name 'raikkonen_dominates' and your nationality go far to explain why you aren't open to my posts. It hardly matters, accept what you will, my life is unaltered by it

As for being irritated, well, again, that's life.

As for taking my criticism of Kimi as a personal attack, well, I would suggest you learn the difference between a personal attack and an observation. It will save you grief in life.

[raikkonen_dominates 0]

My approach is always analytical and well-thought-out. You may disagree with my conclusions, but that's life. Your name 'raikkonen_dominates' and your nationality go far to explain why you aren't open to my posts. It hardly matters, accept what you will, my life is unaltered by it

As for being irritated, well, again, that's life.

As for taking my criticism of Kimi as a personal attack, well, I would suggest you learn the difference between a personal attack and an observation. It will save you grief in life.

First of all, I must refer to my last post, I just said that I don't take your criticism as a personal attack. Just read it, it is there.

About your analytical approach to this issue, it certainly doesn't become analytical just by saying it is analytical. Sounds more like woodoo to me, this talking about 'mechanical sympathy' and 'certain pattern' that when Kimi sits to his car, it breaks down.

[Autumnpuma 0]

First of all, I must refer to my last post, I just said that I don't take your criticism as a personal attack. Just read it, it is there.

About your analytical approach to this issue, it certainly doesn't become analytical just by saying it is analytical. Sounds more like woodoo to me, this talking about 'mechanical sympathy' and 'certain pattern' that when Kimi sits to his car, it breaks down.

Respectfully, I suggest you learn more about this sport.

[raikkonen_dominates 0]

Respectfully, I suggest you learn more about this sport.

That sounds like a good idea, learning is always useful.

And I hope all possible mechanical sympathy to Alonso next year with his Mclaren

[Jean Todt 4]

and IM getting ****ing bored of you people making it personal.... im never going to agree with you, thats why and opinion is an opinion

DID I SAY YOU SHOULD BE CONVINCED???? NO I ****ING DIDNT YOU IGNORANT Sh#t.

calling me ignorant Sh#t doesnt help you! cos its you who has been ingnorant...first of all...read my post...i said weather you are convinced or not! ive noticed that when we are talking about a driver its you who is taking it personal...thats why no one kinda agrees with you...i have been in a similar situation...i support nk but most of the forum memebers dont! but i dont attack anyone personal like the way you do...consult a doctor!

[Autumnpuma 0]

That sounds like a good idea, learning is always useful.

And I hope all possible mechanical sympathy to Alonso next year with his Mclaren

Don't mistake my comments to be Kimi-bashing. They aren't. Neither do I hope for an Alonso-domination; I admire the man's skill in mounting a WDC charge in the Schumacher era, but I stop before becoming a rabid Alonso-supporter. I also admire Kimi's unquestioned speed.

I will be very interested in seeing what will happen in 2007. Will Alonso prove to have more mechanical sympathy in Kimi's McLaren than did Kimi? Will he get any deserved credit for it or will most say 'McLaren sure have improved their car overnight'...? How will Kimi fare wherever he finally lands? Renault or Ferrari would definitely have a sturdy car for him to push and that may just secure him the championship.

This year is pretty much wrapped up. 2007 will be interesting indeed...

[BradSpeedMan 6]

That said, and back on topic, it is my view that the rougher you are with any piece of machinery then the sooner it will break. I know that many disagree with this, admittedly simplistic, view but it does hold water. Rev limiters and TC should protect the engine to some extent but violent, rather than smooth, applications of throttle and brakes must put extra load on components and bring about their premature demise. My opinion.

So you are holding the view that Kimi does break his machinery MG? Alonso drives the same way. I hope you don't hold the view he breaks driveshafts and suspensions too. If one look at the pattern emerging last year even from Montoya's retirements, it's exactly the same. Fact is one should be able to push to the limit, thats F1 MG!

[Jem of the Shire 0]

F1 cars should be designed to withstand aggressive driving, simple as that. Cant criticise kimi for his driving cos he's arguably the fastest in the world, the car needs to be stronger. What people are saying about kimi breaking things can be said about any driver when he breaks down and its just stupid

[demonhorse 0]

See there you go again, calling people stupid just because they dont agree with you...

[Jem of the Shire 0]

See there you go again, calling people stupid just because they dont agree with you...

I'm getting fedup of you accusing everyone of attacking you, I'm referring to the notion of kimi breaking his machine, read the post again, was I calling you stupid?

[BradSpeedMan 6]

I'm getting fedup of you accusing everyone of attacking you, I'm referring to the notion of kimi breaking his machine, read the post again, was I calling you stupid?

There he goes again, a perfectly normal statement being thrown out of proportion...

[demonhorse 0]

There you two go again getting on my back...

[BradSpeedMan 6]

There he goes again, a perfectly normal statement being thrown out of proportion...

I don't think you can intelligently debate with him Jem...

[demonhorse 0]

You cant intelligently debate at all from what Ive seen. Jem at least has that quality when Im not criticising KR.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

You cant intelligently debate at all from what Ive seen. Jem at least has that quality when Im not criticising KR.

I don't think you're in the right capacity to distinguish intelligent debate or conversation, remember i'm still "working on you", we'll make you a good "intelligent" lad. Keep the faith! and wow, a compliment for someone, keep it up, first start to great things!

[raikkonen_dominates 0]

Don't mistake my comments to be Kimi-bashing. They aren't. Neither do I hope for an Alonso-domination; I admire the man's skill in mounting a WDC charge in the Schumacher era, but I stop before becoming a rabid Alonso-supporter. I also admire Kimi's unquestioned speed.

I will be very interested in seeing what will happen in 2007. Will Alonso prove to have more mechanical sympathy in Kimi's McLaren than did Kimi? Will he get any deserved credit for it or will most say 'McLaren sure have improved their car overnight'...? How will Kimi fare wherever he finally lands? Renault or Ferrari would definitely have a sturdy car for him to push and that may just secure him the championship.

This year is pretty much wrapped up. 2007 will be interesting indeed...

I think Mclaren will be next year pretty much as now when it comes to reliability.

It is very deep in their test processes etc, so that it can't be changed over night. Kimi for sure will beat Alonso and others, all he needs is reliable car that ist't more than half second slowlier than Alonso's. The rest he will compensate with his driving...

You wanna bet? I am willing to bet 100 euro that kimi will be world champion 2007, no matter whether he goes to Renault or Ferrari. Just to stand for my opinions...