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[BradSpeedMan]

El Maestro, on 30 July 2009 - 07:04 PM, said:

We have the gift of retrospect now (knowing Kimi's form at Ferrari), but at the time Raikkonen was widely regarded as being one of the fastest drivers in F1. I think it played a significant part in Schumacher's decision, and to suggest otherwise would be bollocks

It is fact that those who worked around Schumie and now Kimi regards Kimi as fastest!!!  fact ppl fact!!!

[BradSpeedMan]

dribbler, on 30 July 2009 - 06:58 PM, said:

The sum total of f*ck all. Kimi, jolted into action, by Michael? He'll either blow him away or get thrashed and not care. That's Kimi, Finnish drunk twat.

[Insider]

MS retired because F1 was no longer a challenge for him.  He'd done it all.  It's not hard to imagine. Getting back in at this juncture would almost be impossible for most individuals.  The rigorous medical tests associated with re-acquiring a Super Licence may prove difficult for some individuals with little under four weeks to prepare, specifically the neck strength tests but in Michael's case, politics will probably win the day. The granting of Super Licences has become something of a joke over the years. To qualify for an FIA Super Licence the requesting driver must already be the holder of a Grade A competition licence, and additionally meet the requirements of the FIA International Sporting Code, Appendix L. These requirements state that the driver must be either the reigning champion in a lower category of motor sport, for example Formula 3 (British, Italian or Japanese championship, or Euroseries) or GP2 Series (formerly known as Formula 3000), or must have consistently finished well in these categories. For example, a driver finishing in the first three positions five times within the last two years in GP2 will be eligible for a Super Licence. Additionally, drivers who have competed in the IndyCar Series are eligible for a Super Licence if they finished within the first six places of the drivers championship. This allows drivers from the United States domestic series to move into Formula One without first taking part in other FIA sanctioned events. Under exceptional circumstances Appendix L also allows the FIA to award a Super Licence to a driver who does not meet the normal criteria if a vote reveals unanimous agreement by the members, and provided that the driver has completed 300 kilometres of testing at racing speeds in a current car. Neither Raikkonen or Davidson were eligible under any of the above Regulations or Appendix L when they joined their teams. Go figure. The FIA's Chief Medical Officer, Professor Sid Watkins will have to issue a Medical Certificate Of Aptitude to MS and although Sid is a very strict examiner, the pressure from the FIA, FOM and SF will be enormous.  Having said that, I don't believe Michael will race if he feels he is less than 100% fit for the job in hand.

[Ikyrotz]

pabloh20, on 30 July 2009 - 10:43 PM, said:

Do you think kimi is scared about Schumi coming back?

Kimi actually appears to be looking forward to it. Like I posted in the other thread, when asked about this, he said:

"Q: What do you think about Michael Schumacher joining you as the second driver at Ferrari?
KR: I actually heard it yesterday. For me it makes no difference who drives the second car. I don�t think it is 100 per cent sure that he will drive as he is still checking things out. But it will be nice to have him as a team-mate. It nearly happened before."

[cavallino]

pabloh20, on 30 July 2009 - 10:43 PM, said:

Do you think kimi is scared about Schumi coming back?

Scared? No. Kimi isn't scared of anything. Rumour has it he has stocked up on adult diapers and is trying to get a sponsorship deal so that he can get a free supply . Useful coz he'll Sh#t himself every time he sees Michael

[cavallino]

El Maestro, on 30 July 2009 - 05:33 PM, said:

Yes. Him coming back out of "loyalty" is bollocks, just like the whole story about him being tired of F1 and wanting to spend more time with his family was bollocks too (yep, spending time on the pitwall at F1 races and riding motorbikes is an interesting way of spending more time with your family).

Yes one motorbike race and a handful of european races on the pitwall as opposed to an F1 driver's season :S You make total sense. Remember, unlike the rest of the grid who0'll **** everything that moves, he does have a family - it isn't much of a stretch to believe he wants to spend time with them. It's not like Lewis Hamilton quitting F1 to spend more time with the pussycat dolls.

[Ikyrotz]

Insider, on 31 July 2009 - 07:44 AM, said:

These requirements state that the driver must be either the reigning champion in a lower category of motor sport, for example Formula 3 (British, Italian or Japanese championship, or Euroseries) or GP2 Series (formerly known as Formula 3000), or must have consistently finished well in these categories.

Getting a bit out of topic, but do you happen to know how low the category can be so that you still get the super license as the reigning champion? We all know, of course, that Kimi needed a special permit from the FIA for his super license even though he was the reigning champion of Formula Renault in UK (more or less trashing the competition there).

[HandyNZL]

Who is Michael?  And why is he ****ing Schumacher?


Kimi is da man.  Me and Brad against the rest of ya.  

[BradSpeedMan]

HandyNZL, on 31 July 2009 - 08:31 AM, said:

Who is Michael?  And why is he ****ing Schumacher?


Kimi is da man.  Me and Brad against the rest of ya.       

finally someone is talkin some sense....

[wapi]

Ikyrotz, on 31 July 2009 - 07:59 AM, said:

Getting a bit out of topic, but do you happen to know how low the category can be so that you still get the super license as the reigning champion? We all know, of course, that Kimi needed a special permit from the FIA for his super license even though he was the reigning champion of Formula Renault in UK (more or less trashing the competition there).

c) been classifi ed, within the previous 2 years, in the fi rst 3 of
the fi nal classifi cation of the F2 Championship, or of the fi nal
classifi cation of the GP2 Series, or of the final classification of
the GP2 Asia Series or of the fi nal classifi cation of the Japanese
F/Nippon Championship,
d) been classifi ed in the fi rst 3 of the fi nal classifi cation of the Indy
Racing League (IRL) series or of the Champ Car World Series
within the previous 2 years; been classifi ed in the fi rst 4 of the
fi nal classifi cation of the Indycar IRL series the previous year.*
* From 1.1.2010: been classifi ed in the fi rst 4 of the fi nal classifi cation of
the Indycar IRL series within the previous 2 years.
e) be the current champion of one of the following:
Formula 3 Euro Series
The principal national F3 championships of: Great Britain, Italy,
Japan, Spain
World Series F/Renault V6
N.B.: the title of Champion is considered valid for 12 months from the last
race of the relevant series or championship season.

http://argent.fia.co...09_09.07.20.pdf

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer]

Quiet One, on 30 July 2009 - 07:31 PM, said:

Everyone can come up with their own theory. Mine is that he is not coming back for the money, for the glory, out of loyalty, revenge, hidden agendas or anything. This is just about adrenalin. Would you blame him?

Not at all. However, it is risky - what if he does a "Mansell" and comes back to be mid-field (for whatever reason, be it car or just that things have moved on)? The adrenalin may soon get overtaken by the valium

[medilloni]

A thought provoking view on Schumi's return, here clickensee

[Quiet One]

Kimi? Why are we wating time talking about Kimi? Kimi is no match for Schumi and never was. Even with a far superior car he struggled. Lewis? I think Lewis would be more fun for Michael as a competitor. He certainly would enjoy a duel against Button (and bore us all to death). Rubinho? Ha! Webber? Vettel? Nah...you all know who is the one and only that kicked Schumi's a## fair and square. That is the the guy MS would like to be able to race again. Renault should feel compelled to give Nando a car up to the challenge.

Then we would be able to enjoy a triple battle between Lewis, MS and Nando. Even the usual borefests would be something to hold your breath.

But it won't happen.

[BradSpeedMan]

Quiet One, on 31 July 2009 - 12:09 PM, said:

Kimi? Why are we wating time talking about Kimi?

In case you did'n know, MS has entered the beloved sport, he has entered it againts the most fastest, fierce driver named the Iceman, thats why all the fuss about Kimi, all the talk about him. Where have you been the last week? Anyway, now you know

[BradSpeedMan]

medilloni, on 31 July 2009 - 11:52 AM, said:

A thought provoking view on Schumi's return, here clickensee

  

[Rainmaster]

BradSpeedMan, on 31 July 2009 - 07:31 AM, said:

and you call yerself a Kimi fan....traitor!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, but it has limits, I'm a realist too!

cavallino, on 31 July 2009 - 07:58 AM, said:

Yes one motorbike race and a handful of european races on the pitwall as opposed to an F1 driver's season :S You make total sense. Remember, unlike the rest of the grid who0'll **** everything that moves, he does have a family - it isn't much of a stretch to believe he wants to spend time with them. It's not like Lewis Hamilton quitting F1 to spend more time with the pussycat dolls.

Sorry, I didn't hear you - could you write that in caps lock for me?

For me the fact that he immediately started doing bike racing, and continued turning up at F1 events, sort of undermines the idea that he lost his motivation to stay fit; especially considering he is fit enough to return now almost 3 years later - 'cos that makes sense yes?

The whole "I want to be with my family more" excuse for retirement has been dragged out by many sportsmen, and it's usually bollocks. Recently I heard Rubens Barrichello saying something similar, that he may not be in F1 next year because he wants to spend more time with his family...

[Ikyrotz]

Quiet One, on 31 July 2009 - 12:09 PM, said:

Nah...you all know who is the one and only that kicked Schumi's a## fair and square. That is the the guy MS would like to be able to race again.

Of course we do. It's... Mika!

[pabloh20]

El Maestro, on 30 July 2009 - 11:26 PM, said:

No. "Scared" is the wrong word for what I am suggesting was a factor in Schumacher's decision. I don't think he was "scared" of Kimi in the sense of fear or loss of courage or anything like that. I suggest that it was probably a factor in his decision; and potentially a deciding one. He wasn't scared, he just thought after 7 titles he could do without the challenge.

I suspect Kimi doesn't care that much, largely due to his personality, but also because if Kimi even cares about his reputation then he probably already realises it isn't that great lately, so why would it bother him if Schumacher happens to outperform him? Likewise, Schumacher's reputation is no longer under threat and that's why he's willing to be in the same team as Kimi.

Maybe I am giving F1 drivers too much credit in general (as I don't think too many of them would run from a challenge), but I don't think it was ever a factor in Schumi's decisions.  It's not like he's ever shyed away from a challenge.  Indeed, I don't think he would have entered the race of champions (even if it is a fun event) if he was that afraid of 'tarnishing' his reputation.

Let's be honest, considering the rumour that Montezemelo whatchamacallit, is supposed to have put pressure on him to retire, I could say that Kimi only signed for Ferrari on the understanding that they would get rid of Schumi.  It would have as much credibility as your theory

[pabloh20]

Ikyrotz, on 31 July 2009 - 12:56 PM, said:

Of course we do. It's... Mika!

Indeed.  Schumi does say he was his best competitor and most enjoyable time for him in racing.

[BradSpeedMan]

El Maestro, on 31 July 2009 - 12:43 PM, said:

Yeah, but it has limits, I'm a realist too!

I'm going to repeat your statement,"(probably a decision he regrets now because he almost certainly would have thrashed him).", look at your statement carefully, digest it. Now  think of Raikkonen with his first year at Ferrari. Where is the realism in that statement, it's completely unfounded!

[Quiet One]

pabloh20, on 31 July 2009 - 01:10 PM, said:

Indeed.  Schumi does say he was his best competitor and most enjoyable time for him in racing.

That's only because they get along better outside  the track than with Nando. And because Mika loved to cry like a baby when he lost to Schumi. But FA was more challenging to him.

[BradSpeedMan]

pabloh20, on 31 July 2009 - 01:10 PM, said:

Indeed.  Schumi does say he was his best competitor and most enjoyable time for him in racing.

Mika had his weaknesses. Although he dug deepest when the prize was greatest, he was a fragile and insecure figure.

[pabloh20]

Quiet One, on 31 July 2009 - 01:16 PM, said:

That's only because they get along better outside  the track than with Nando. And because Mika loved to cry like a baby when he lost to Schumi. But FA was more challenging to him.

Bollocks.  Nando has cried loads of times, but it's just that his eyebrows are so big they have their own gravity, so the tears get dragged upwards and consumed.

BradSpeedMan, on 31 July 2009 - 01:17 PM, said:

Mika had his weaknesses. Although he dug deepest when the prize was greatest, he was a fragile and insecure figure.

You don't get to be world champion by being fragile and insecure

[wapi]

medilloni, on 31 July 2009 - 11:52 AM, said:

A thought provoking view on Schumi's return, here clickensee

There is no view. There is only hatred.

[BradSpeedMan]

pabloh20, on 31 July 2009 - 01:23 PM, said:

You don't get to be world champion by being fragile and insecure

you get it by having the dominant and fastest car on the grid...like Nando, MS and Mika. Wether you fragile or break down in tears with a helicopter hovering over you while you think the championship is over.... F1 pundits will tell you how fragile and insecure Mika really was, I guess the father figure of Ron Dennis helped him with that aspect as he was the darling of the team.

edit: I just realise how applicable the last statement is to Fernando's championship years too, when he acted like a spoilt kid who threw his toys when things did'nt go his way...

Edited by BradSpeedMan, 31 July 2009 - 01:35 PM.

[pabloh20]

BradSpeedMan, on 31 July 2009 - 01:29 PM, said:

you get it by having the dominant and fastest car on the grid...like Nando, MS and Mika. Wether you fragile or break down in tears with a helicopter hovering over you while you think the championship is over.... F1 pundits will tell you how fragile and insecure Mika really was, I guess the father figure of Ron Dennis helped him with that aspect as he was the darling of the team.

Wuld you like some bollocks with those sour grapes???

[Rainmaster]

pabloh20, on 31 July 2009 - 01:01 PM, said:

Maybe I am giving F1 drivers too much credit in general (as I don't think too many of them would run from a challenge), but I don't think it was ever a factor in Schumi's decisions.  It's not like he's ever shyed away from a challenge.  Indeed, I don't think he would have entered the race of champions (even if it is a fun event) if he was that afraid of 'tarnishing' his reputation.

Let's be honest, considering the rumour that Montezemelo whatchamacallit, is supposed to have put pressure on him to retire, I could say that Kimi only signed for Ferrari on the understanding that they would get rid of Schumi.  It would have as much credibility as your theory

He never shyed away from a challenge, but he never had a team mate on equal terms either, maybe towards the end of his successful career he felt he didn't need the hassle/challenge, and he preferred to keep it that way. Maybe not, I don't claim to know, and neither should you. I don't really see the problem with it though if that is what happened, anybody could understand Schumacher not feeling the need to go out and beat Raikkonen over a season. As for RoC, nope not the same. Nobody's reputation is on the line in the RoC, it's not like anybody is going to say "did you hear that Michael Schumacher, 7 times world champion but crashed out of the RoC, he must be a rubbish driver". Racing against a bunch of other highly skilled racer's from other categories for fun does not have the same bearing on someone's reputation as racing in Formula One for a season. When Kova won the RoC nobody proclaimed him an exceptionally gifted driver, likewise if Schumi did crap no one could claim he was a poor driver.

Nope, your theory is dependant on completely unprovable rumour, my theory is based on Herr Schumacher's actions post retirement. His actions do not fit his words, so in my opinion it was a number of things which lead to his retirement, e.g. the reaction from the Monaco incident, the fact he'd satisfied what he wanted to do in the sport, and the hiring of Raikkonen, and maybe spending more time with his family was somewhere near the bottom of that list.

BradSpeedMan, on 31 July 2009 - 01:14 PM, said:

I'm going to repeat your statement,"(probably a decision he regrets now because he almost certainly would have thrashed him).", look at your statement carefully, digest it. Now  think of Raikkonen with his first year at Ferrari. Where is the realism in that statement, it's completely unfounded!

It would have been nice to see Schumi vs Raikkonen in 2007, maybe it would've been quite close...sadly we'll never know 'cos Schumi is such a pussy :whistling emoticon:

Edited by El Maestro, 31 July 2009 - 01:38 PM.

[Rainmaster]

medilloni, on 31 July 2009 - 11:52 AM, said:

A thought provoking view on Schumi's return, here clickensee

[BradSpeedMan]

El Maestro, on 31 July 2009 - 01:37 PM, said:

It would have been nice to see Schumi vs Raikkonen in 2007, maybe it would've been quite close...sadly we'll never know 'cos Schumi is such a pussy :whistling emoticon:

I just realise, how could it not occur to me.....I guess you're more a Schumacher fan than a Kimi fan...am I right?


There's not alot of you around, that is, a Schumacher turned Kimi fan.

Edited by BradSpeedMan, 31 July 2009 - 01:45 PM.

[BradSpeedMan]

pabloh20, on 31 July 2009 - 01:35 PM, said:

Wuld you like some bollocks with those sour grapes???

you still don't believe me? Paul, I'm serious here