So who'd you think has done the most innovating? (in F1)
I think I'll go with Lotus...
They introduced ground effects, wings & monocoque chassis & loads of other stuff!
Who's your choice and why?
Sorry if I missed anyone out...
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Posted 16 September 2007 - 09:36 PM
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Posted 16 September 2007 - 09:57 PM
Renault. Hands down.
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Posted 16 September 2007 - 10:53 PM
Hard choice between Lotus, Renault and MB.
Lotus:
- there was a monocoque GP car ~40 before the Lotus 24. Gabriel Voisin used a monocoque chassis for his car that he raced in the 1923 French GP and in 1955 BRM incorporated a semi-monocoque chassis in their Grand Prix cars.
- ground effects, Auto Union beat them to it by ~40 years.
Non the less their merits remain.
MB:
- the silver arrows, with mecanical fuel injection, desdemonic valves, aero bodies, advanced materials
Renault:
- turbos, data-logging/telemetry, pit-car radio, pneumatic valve gear system, V10s with PVGS
Lotus:
- there was a monocoque GP car ~40 before the Lotus 24. Gabriel Voisin used a monocoque chassis for his car that he raced in the 1923 French GP and in 1955 BRM incorporated a semi-monocoque chassis in their Grand Prix cars.
- ground effects, Auto Union beat them to it by ~40 years.
Non the less their merits remain.
MB:
- the silver arrows, with mecanical fuel injection, desdemonic valves, aero bodies, advanced materials
Renault:
- turbos, data-logging/telemetry, pit-car radio, pneumatic valve gear system, V10s with PVGS
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Posted 17 September 2007 - 02:06 AM
My vote goes for Lotus. Second Cooper for sent the engine backwards in modern F1 (I know auto union made it before but..). And them Mercedes Benz: fuel injection, disc brakes,etc. Renault fourth: turbo engine, mass damper, etc.
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Posted 17 September 2007 - 05:23 PM
Regarding Lotus we shouldn't forget the introduction of sponsors!!!!
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Posted 17 September 2007 - 05:48 PM
Argento, on Sep 17 2007, 05:06 AM, said:
My vote goes for Lotus. Second Cooper for sent the engine backwards in modern F1 (I know auto union made it before but..). And them Mercedes Benz: fuel injection, disc brakes,etc. Renault fourth: turbo engine, mass damper, etc.
I belive BRM introduced disk brakes to F1. Their cars had drum brakes so as to incorporate AWD or something like that.
Jaguar beat them to it in sport car racing. But some american first introduced them to Indy in the late 1930s.
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Posted 02 October 2007 - 07:00 PM
Hmm...who has the most innovations? That's hard to know. I voted Lotus because of the impact of it's innovations; an impact that is still felt today.
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Posted 02 October 2007 - 07:31 PM
Can I vote for more than one?
If not, then Lotus, Williams, Cooper, Tyrrell.
If not, then Lotus, Williams, Cooper, Tyrrell.
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 03:18 AM
monza gorilla, on Oct 3 2007, 05:31 AM, said:
Can I vote for more than one?
If not, then Lotus, Williams, Cooper, Tyrrell.
If not, then Lotus, Williams, Cooper, Tyrrell.
I voted Renault for their turbo innovations. But I'm pretty ignorant as far as the golden years of F1 are concerned.
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Posted 04 October 2007 - 02:29 PM
I voted Ferrari just so Cristiano and FUSchumi go on one of their rampages again. First I found them Annoying but now its just funny all the crap they write
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F1 FANatic, on Oct 4 2007, 04:29 PM, said:
I voted Ferrari just so Cristiano and FUSchumi go on one of their rampages again. First I found them Annoying but now its just funny all the crap they write
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Posted 04 October 2007 - 05:16 PM
Autumnpuma, on Oct 2 2007, 10:00 PM, said:
Hmm...who has the most innovations? That's hard to know. I voted Lotus because of the impact of it's innovations; an impact that is still felt today.
But that's also true for Renault (pneumatic valve gear system responsable for the super-reving; data logging/telemetry) too and MB (direct injection; mid engined GP layout ).
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Posted 04 October 2007 - 07:12 PM
True.
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The only true sports are motor racing and mountain climbing; everything else is just a game.
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Give me a roof over my head, some food to eat and a fast car. That's all I need.
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"Gilles was the last great driver. The rest of us are just a bunch of good professionals."
----Alain Prost
The only true sports are motor racing and mountain climbing; everything else is just a game.
TF1 Blogs: be afraid, be very, very afraid..........
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Posted 04 October 2007 - 09:29 PM
What's the most ingenious innovation ever in F1?
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Posted 04 October 2007 - 09:32 PM
Murray Walker, on Oct 4 2007, 10:29 PM, said:
What's the most ingenious innovation ever in F1?
The seatbelt?
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Murray Walker, on Oct 4 2007, 02:29 PM, said:
What's the most ingenious innovation ever in F1?
Applying article 151c of the International Sporting Code to McLaren this year to bring about a 100million gift to the FIA.
Edited by Autumnpuma, 04 October 2007 - 10:12 PM.
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"Gilles was the last great driver. The rest of us are just a bunch of good professionals."
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The only true sports are motor racing and mountain climbing; everything else is just a game.
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Posted 05 October 2007 - 02:03 PM
Murray Walker, on Oct 5 2007, 12:29 AM, said:
What's the most ingenious innovation ever in F1?
Boroughing from the aviation/aerospace&defence industry.
Like DOHC 4 valve per cylinder engines, direct injection, moncoque, advanced materials (alloys and composites), c#ckpit, packaging, aerodynamics, even bolts.
Edited by DOF_Renault_BMW, 05 October 2007 - 02:04 PM.
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 09:59 AM
My vote goes for Ferrari. Been in F1 since for ever & have made fantastic cars & chassis' throughout the years! It was a tough choice between Ferrari & Williams!
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Posted 06 October 2007 - 05:50 PM
What was Ferrari's great innovation or innovations to F1 ?!
The only one I know is the semiautomatic.
Great (Ferrari) chassis ?!
Ferrari often had a good/great engines put onto a crap to decent chassis. While the garagistes had crap to decent engines onto good/great chassis and aerodynamics.
A great chassis is british invention.
The only one I know is the semiautomatic.
Great (Ferrari) chassis ?!
Ferrari often had a good/great engines put onto a crap to decent chassis. While the garagistes had crap to decent engines onto good/great chassis and aerodynamics.
A great chassis is british invention.
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Posted 25 October 2007 - 10:42 AM
Lotus, though frankly they don't deserve it for the horrible disreguard the higher ups always seemed to have for driver safety.
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I voted Williams-> They found Rear diffuser , improved Computer-controlled active suspension , but overall in recent days I feel they really lack in engine power/reliability
but still I found Lotus has more innovations
"Top 10: greatest-ever F1 innovations" http://cars.uk.msn.c...cumentid=580071
Major Formula 1 Technical Innovations
http://www.motorspor...fo/f1_innov.htm
but still I found Lotus has more innovations
"Top 10: greatest-ever F1 innovations" http://cars.uk.msn.c...cumentid=580071
Major Formula 1 Technical Innovations
http://www.motorspor...fo/f1_innov.htm
Edited by chennaiguy, 25 October 2007 - 01:49 PM.
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Posted 27 October 2007 - 03:39 AM
I wouldn't call the H16 a great innovation myself. Honestly I always got the impression the thing was an overweight, underpowered, over complex monstrosity.
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DOF_Renault_BMW, on Oct 5 2007, 03:03 PM, said:
Boroughing from the aviation/aerospace&defence industry.
Like DOHC 4 valve per cylinder engines, direct injection, moncoque, advanced materials (alloys and composites), c#ckpit, packaging, aerodynamics, even bolts.
Like DOHC 4 valve per cylinder engines, direct injection, moncoque, advanced materials (alloys and composites), c#ckpit, packaging, aerodynamics, even bolts.
To be a willing slave of a loving God's commands,
That's the key to a freedom that I'll never understand.
--Shad K., biggest thing out of Canada since Pamela's double Ds.
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
--Mark Twain (1835-1910)
That's the key to a freedom that I'll never understand.
--Shad K., biggest thing out of Canada since Pamela's double Ds.
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
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Posted 28 October 2007 - 02:18 PM
Elizabeth Sterling, on Oct 27 2007, 04:39 AM, said:
I wouldn't call the H16 a great innovation myself. Honestly I always got the impression the thing was an overweight, underpowered, over complex monstrosity.
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hehehe, nice. On a similar note I've always wanted to see a life complete with W12 in action...
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wtf noone voted for Tyrell lol
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Posted 30 October 2007 - 10:38 PM
Niall McBride, on Oct 30 2007, 11:32 AM, said:
wtf noone voted for Tyrell lol
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The P34 wasn't an innovation that was so good it was banned, it was an attempted innovation that faltered and died of natural causes.
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Posted 31 October 2007 - 09:38 AM
But what about their anhedral front wing? That was soon copied. Or their hideous X wings? Or lead shot in the water tanks? Ok, forget the lead shot in the water tanks, but it did give BAR an idea some years later............
The P34 died because Goodyear weren't prepared to develop the front tyres, as much as anything else.
The P34 died because Goodyear weren't prepared to develop the front tyres, as much as anything else.
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