Why Doesn't Anyone Want Alonso?

[Max Mosley 2]

I just get confused and forget what words to use because of my poor short term... erm... remembering thing.

[JayStorm 0]

Alonso could still end up at Ferrari but it looks like he'll have to wait a short while.

If the Ferrari drivers perform just as lacklustrely as this year then Alonso looks good for 10.

Dream on Honda!

[goferrarigo 0]

Alonso could still end up at Ferrari but it looks like he'll have to wait a short while.

If the Ferrari drivers perform just as lacklustrely as this year then Alonso looks good for 10.

Dream on Honda!

Massa has proven he atleast deserves his seat, after beating a WDC in the same team, no?

[maure 1]

Not really.

For one, Massa's season to win and prove his worth was last when Kimi was new to the team while Massa had plenty of experience with team and tyres. Also, Massa still has to win a couple of WDC's to really be ahead of Kimi...

When I hear about Alonso replacing Kimi, I laugh. Massa got and stayed in Ferrari for reasons other than craftmanship. Ultimately, he is just wasting a good car. Again, who honestly expects him to win a WDC on his own merit? It's the main reason why everyone hands it to Hamilton who has nothing but hype and violence on his side...

[cavallino 2]

For one, Alonso's season to win and prove his worth was last when Lewis was new to the sport while Alonso had plenty of experience with the sport and tyres.

[cavallino 2]

When I hear about Alonso replacing Kimi, I laugh.

Indeed, because Ferrari have said they have absolutely no interest in hiring Alonso - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71649

[cavallino 2]

Again, who honestly expects him to win a WDC on his own merit?

Err if it wasn't for Ferrari team errors, he would be leading the championship. And with how erratic the whole grid has been, I think he would deserve it as much as Kimi did after last year. The problem is people, especially stupid ones have short memories. So stupid people (no names) with two good races suddenly think Alonso is the king of the world - he isn't, a few races back he could barely keep the car on track, if anything his performance this season has been worse than last year. And last year he got kicked by a rookie.

[maure 1]

Your rants are even more boring and contradictory than ever (if possible).

[Kopite Girl 0]

Err if it wasn't for Ferrari team errors, he would be leading the championship. And with how erratic the whole grid has been, I think he would deserve it as much as Kimi did after last year. The problem is people, especially stupid ones have short memories. So stupid people (no names) with two good races suddenly think Alonso is the king of the world - he isn't, a few races back he could barely keep the car on track, if anything his performance this season has been worse than last year. And last year he got kicked by a rookie.

Sorry Cav, but this is rubbish.

Explain how he 'got kicked by a rookie'. They finished equal in the points.

Alonso may have thought that he would have beaten him, and I will concede that on paper Fernando should have ruined him - but they finished as equals.

I can understand you do not like Alonso under any circumstances and I have no argument with that but please try to stay to fact as its only fair. I'll say it again - fact is in 2007 the pair finished as equals.

[Medilloni 6]

Sorry Cav, but this is rubbish.

Explain how he 'got kicked by a rookie'. They finished equal in the points.

Alonso may have thought that he would have beaten him, and I will concede that on paper Fernando should have ruined him - but they finished as equals.

I can understand you do not like Alonso under any circumstances and I have no argument with that but please try to stay to fact as its only fair. I'll say it again - fact is in 2007 the pair finished as equals.

Forgetting the (very) odd point or two, for someone in their first year in F1 - in real terms Alsono did kinda get his a## kicked - for two reasons. One is that Hamster was far, far quicker than most expected, and two, that it caught Fernando by surprise and he struggled (mentally) with the threat, and certainly this put him off his stride.

I like neither's personalities in equal measures, but admire both for their driving - I believe they're incredibly evenly matched. Cav's just sh!t stirring, and for someone that says he doesn't watch any more it's hard take anything he says seriously.

This post has been brought to you by someone that doesn't give a stuff for either of these two flawed prima donna's and is waiting for Jense to return. Again.

[The Rumble Strip 0]

Alonso is a bit stupid waiting for Ferrari though as by the time a seat is free, he may not be top of the pile anymore.

[maure 1]

Forgetting the (very) odd point or two, for someone in their first year in F1 - in real terms Alsono did kinda get his a## kicked - for two reasons. One is that Hamster was far, far quicker than most expected, and two, that it caught Fernando by surprise and he struggled (mentally) with the threat, and certainly this put him off his stride.

I like neither's personalities in equal measures, but admire both for their driving - I believe they're incredibly evenly matched. Cav's just sh!t stirring, and for someone that says he doesn't watch any more it's hard take anything he says seriously.

This post has been brought to you by someone that doesn't give a stuff for either of these two flawed prima donna's and is waiting for Jense to return. Again.

But you have dismissed the most important aspect of the affair and the reason why only since last season many of us have noticed Alonso for _precisely_ his mental strength. Namely, McLaren screwed him royally... and themselves in the process. Only lewisterics can dispute (and with pure dellusion at that) that if McLaren had backed Alonso, they would've claim the WDC with ease. Naturally, I can't complain about this since it benefited Kimi. But it is a fact and it stands.

(EDIT)

And, btw, the whole "Alonso is stressed out and at the end of his wits" was fabricated after Monaco to hide Hamilton denouncing McLaren for fixing races. Come Canada, Alonso was screwed in qualifying and took a risk on the first turn. He missed and the lewisterics run with "Alonso's mental struggle" until today. Review the events and read Coulthard's notes (his blog) on the Canada thingy for reference. It was all a fantasy built to protect Hamilton as have been many others...

[Max Mosley 2]

many of us have noticed Alonso for _precisely_ his mental strength.

What do you make of Renault saying Alonso becomes 'irrational' under pressure from a team mate and that he can't cope with it?

[JayStorm 0]

How is Alonso stupid for waiting for a Ferrari drive?

It's considered by most to be the most competitive package consistently throughout the season.

What is his alternative? He's not deliberately waiting, but he has to, because the Ferrari management team are silly.

[The Burro 0]

[quote name='JayStorm' post='273360' date='Oct 26 2008, 12:52 PM']How is Alonso stupid for waiting for a Ferrari drive?

It's considered by most to be the most competitive package consistently throughout the season.

What is his alternative? He's not deliberately waiting, but he has to, because the Ferrari management team are silly.[/quote]

Well, it's greedy. McLaren is a better team than Renault statistically, yet Alonso won two titles with Renault and zero with McLaren. Why does he always need to go to some team with a better projected image when he does just fine at home? He's just burning bridges every time he leaves, and eventually there will be no where to go.

His alternative is to stay at Renault and be successful. I highly doubt there's a better package for Alonso than them.

[The Rumble Strip 0]

What I meant was why hold out for a drive that may not come his way.

Next season, he had a chance of going to BMW, where he would have a better title shot than at Renault, yet he turned BMW down for a seat that doesn

[Rainmaster 7]

Forgetting the (very) odd point or two, for someone in their first year in F1 - in real terms Alsono did kinda get his a## kicked - for two reasons. One is that Hamster was far, far quicker than most expected, and two, that it caught Fernando by surprise and he struggled (mentally) with the threat, and certainly this put him off his stride.

I like neither's personalities in equal measures, but admire both for their driving - I believe they're incredibly evenly matched. Cav's just sh!t stirring, and for someone that says he doesn't watch any more it's hard take anything he says seriously.

This post has been brought to you by someone that doesn't give a stuff for either of these two flawed prima donna's and is waiting for Jense to return. Again.

A(nother) decent post

[Fed up 0]

How is Alonso stupid for waiting for a Ferrari drive?

It's considered by most to be the most competitive package consistently throughout the season.

What is his alternative? He's not deliberately waiting, but he has to, because the Ferrari management team are silly.

Alonso will NEVER drive for Ferrari, NEVER!

He verbally agreed a contract with Jean Todt and Ferrari in 2001 then reneged on it to sign for Flavio and Minardi. History will show that he made the right decision and won 2 xwdc's as a result, but Todt has never forgiven him and so he will NEVER drive for the team.

Carry on

[mikathegreat2 2]

Alonso will NEVER drive for Ferrari, NEVER!

Hmmmm! Don't kn ow about that! Alonso+Ferrari=wet dream team

[goferrarigo 0]

Alonso will NEVER drive for Ferrari, NEVER!

He verbally agreed a contract with Jean Todt and Ferrari in 2001 then reneged on it to sign for Flavio and Minardi. History will show that he made the right decision and won 2 xwdc's as a result, but Todt has never forgiven him and so he will NEVER drive for the team.

Carry on

So your back??? Didn't think you were really gone anyways....

[Rainmaster 7]

I wouldn't count Alonso out of a Ferrari drive just yet, but there are other options up and coming.

[cavallino 2]

Forgetting the (very) odd point or two, for someone in their first year in F1 - in real terms Alsono did kinda get his a## kicked - for two reasons. One is that Hamster was far, far quicker than most expected, and two, that it caught Fernando by surprise and he struggled (mentally) with the threat, and certainly this put him off his stride.

Precisely.

Cav's just sh!t stirring, and for someone that says he doesn't watch any more it's hard take anything he says seriously.

Oh I don't need to watch races to figure out that maure's opinion of Massa is complete rubbish. He says that the fact that Massa lost out to Kimi last year when Kimi was new to the team means Massa is no good. I merely asked him what he thinks of a driver who lost out (ok barely equalled if you want to get technical) a rookie, after over 5 years in the sport then? As expected, he ducked the question.

Remember Alonso lost out to Trulli in 2004, so he couldn't keep up with his teammate both sides of his double championship wins. He is looking more and more like a Hkkinen, less and less like a Prost Schumacher Senna, who could keep up that level of performance throughout their careers.

But you have dismissed the most important aspect of the affair and the reason why only since last season many of us have noticed Alonso for _precisely_ his mental strength.

Mental strength? Oh please, spying and cheating as he did in Hungary to desperately eke out any advantage over his teammate?

McLaren had backed Alonso, they would've claim the WDC with ease.

Short memories. there was ample evidence based on fuel loads etc that Mclaren did favour Alonso up until Monaco.

What do you make of Renault saying Alonso becomes 'irrational' under pressure from a team mate and that he can't cope with it?

They have said this repeatedly, I remember Pat Symonds saying it.

[JayStorm 0]

Jean Todt is no longer really there.

I'd forgive him and get who I would consider to be the best driver out there in my team.

I don't think that it is at all impossible.

[Max Mosley 2]

They have said this repeatedly, I remember Pat Symonds saying it.

Oh yes. Quite a few people at Renault have said the same. But I do want to hear Maure's opinion because he will know better than anyone.

[goferrarigo 0]

Jean Todt is no longer really there.

I'd forgive him and get who I would consider to be the best driver out there in my team.

I don't think that it is at all impossible.

But you forget what Alonso does when he doesn't get favourable treatment... Ferrari simply don't want that kind of competition from teammates. They prefer the way Massa and Kimi handle situations, and thus have extended their contracts till the end of 2011...