freaky2 1 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Hahahah, I like it. I'm always following the Red Bulls. Though I'm still underestimating Williams a lot! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Bottom line: KERS seems useful only to overtake or defend from a bunch of cars you should not had to overtake or defend from in the first place if you weren't using it, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maure 1 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Is KERRRRRS useful? News to me. I don't recognize you, OQO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Read my post again... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AleHop 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Bottom line: KERS seems useful only to overtake or defend from a bunch of cars you should not had to overtake or defend from in the first place if you weren't using it, right? Totally agree. I hate KERS, we'll have to wait to see how it works tomorrow but why would you use something that's killing your flying laps to use it later during the race to recover????? BTW, the grid could be 1 Button 2 Trulli 3 Glock 4 Rosberg 5 Webber 6 Kubica 7 Raikkonen 8 Alonso 9 Barrichello 10 Heidfeld 11 Nakajima 12 Hamilton 13 Vettel ...(unchanged) I'm not sure, depends on what penalty you apply first, Barrichello's or Vettel's? EDIT: I'd say this is the right one. Barrichello from 4th (+5) to 9th and Vettel from 3rd (+10) to 13th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ayrton Senna 1 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 How much more of a joke can Ferrari possibly become? After Melbourne and after the entire year of 2008 you'd think they had learned something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ikyrotz 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 I heard a rumor that Ferrari wasn't running with KERS, can someone confirm this? (did the tv broadcast show the KERS meter for either Ferrari?). Related to Kimi's KERS problems yesterday...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AleHop 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 I heard a rumor that Ferrari wasn't running with KERS, can someone confirm this? (did the tv broadcast show the KERS meter for either Ferrari?). Related to Kimi's KERS problems yesterday...? I suppose they're running with KERS. I didn't hear anything about that and it matches Kimi's performance in Q3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AleHop 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Sorry, I think I was wrong. The right grid would be: For God's sake! 1 Button 2 Trulli 3 Glock 4 Rosberg 5 Webber 6 Kubica 7 Raikkonen 8 Barrichello 9 Alonso 10 Heidfeld 11 Nakajima 12 Hamilton 13 Vettel ...(unchanged) For God's sake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ayrton Senna 1 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 I'm not sure, depends on what penalty you apply first, Barrichello's or Vettel's? EDIT: I'd say this is the right one. Barrichello from 4th (+5) to 9th and Vettel from 3rd (+10) to 13th. It shouldn't matter which one is applied first, Barrichello should be 8th, Alonso 9th and Vettel 13th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AleHop 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 It shouldn't matter which one is applied first, Barrichello should be 8th, Alonso 9th and Vettel 13th. You're right I was just messing with the list and didn't realised about that. The right one is the one I posted first. Sorry about that, I was just tryin to push Alonso a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Rumble Strip 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 It does matter as that shifts the order around in such much as Rubens has only lost four places not five. Ferrari did not run with KERS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ikyrotz 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 I'm not sure, depends on what penalty you apply first, Barrichello's or Vettel's? EDIT: I'd say this is the right one. Barrichello from 4th (+5) to 9th and Vettel from 3rd (+10) to 13th. I don't see how the order in which the penalties are given can make a difference in this particular case. If Vettel's penalty is applied first, he goes from 3rd to 13th, in which case Barrichello first becomes 3rd (since Vettel is demoted), and then from 3rd to 8th (+5). If Barrichello's penalty is applied first, he goes from 4th to 9th, and then Vettel goes from 3rd to 13th, which brings Barrichello up from 9th to 8th. Only other option is that the penalties are applied simultaneously, in a sense, so that one looks at the results of the quali (SV 3rd, RB 4th), and then applies penalties to those numbers, so that one adds 10 to SV and 5 to RB, and moves all the other drivers up accordingly. That screws up RB a bit, since he will then effectively get a 6 place demotion (if he hadn't been given a penalty, he'd be 3rd after Vettel is demoted, now he'd be 9th). Does someone know what the rules say about how the penalties are actually applied? I actually think it is the latter method, because if the penalties were the other way around (SV getting 5 place penalty and RB a 10 place penalty), the order in which the penalties are applied actually would make a difference, and one would run into troubles. The only sane way is the "simultaneous penalties" way, in which RB now becomes 9th and Vettel 13th in the final standings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Max Mosley 2 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Only got chinese, any other feeds out there? I like Chicken Jalfrezi. I heard a rumor that Ferrari wasn't running with KERS, can someone confirm this? (did the tv broadcast show the KERS meter for either Ferrari?). Related to Kimi's KERS problems yesterday...? I also heard this rumour. In Q3 the BBC graphic suggested KERS wasn't being used by Kimi. I didn't notice in earlier sessions, but Dominicali said right before Q1 that they would be using it. Ferrari did not run with KERS. Is that for sure in all parts of qualifying on both cars? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Rumble Strip 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 I'm pretty sure they are applied in the order in which they occur. Vettel first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jean Todt 4 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Ferraris will be faster during the race I am sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Rumble Strip 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Not for sure during all parts but Raikkonen did not run it in Q3, which would indicate he did not run it at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AleHop 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Does someone know what the rules... I think Vettel would be 13th and Barrichello 8th as you said in your post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Rumble Strip 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ikyrotz 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 I think Vettel would be 13th and Barrichello 8th as you said in your post. Well, actually I concluded that I think RB would end up being 9th, if the penalties are applied "simultaneously" which would make some sense to me (since otherwise there are situations in which the order in which penalties are applied makes a difference). However, I don't know what the rules actually say about how the penalties are applied. I guess we have to wait for the official starting grid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Ah, yes...our confusion is crystal clear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AleHop 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 We have to solve that, we cannot let the FIA alone with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 It doesn't make a difference which way the bloody penalties are applied Barri = 8th Vettel = 13th Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maure 1 Report post Posted April 4, 2009 Ah, yes...our confusion is crystal clear. Funny thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
