Bahrain Grand Prix

[pabloh20 1]

Yes, that is why it is also hard to bring the "winning from pole is just OK" issue becuase everytime I felt that people will think I only mean it as a way to dismiss whoever won's credit.

So, to make myself clear about Vettel: he is obviously a gifted driver. He had an easier life with a dominant RBR but he also played his part. He is also sometimes an arrogant prick. He gets better, not worse under pressure. He seems to learn from his mistakes. All those ggood traits (except the being a prick part)

Just because today I'm on a ranting mood:

On "Being X is a mark of the great ones, as well" (X being: arrogant/cheating/whinebags/Serial Killers/Procrastinators/etc.)

Those are not good traits to have, you know? "Hey, look! Alonso cheated in Hungary 2007!", "Well, you can't become a WDC unless you are ruthless and yes, sometime even cheating to win!". "Hey, look! Hamilton pushes all cars off track and then whines when he is frowned upon!", "Well, that shows aggressivness!"...you get the point. Schumi cheated, Kimi didn't give a ****, Vettel comes as too arrogant, Button...has a horrible name (I mean...Jenson? Really? Who the hell names his kid "Jenson"? It doesn't even has a Spanish equivalent! "El Jensono"! )

No siree, those are bad traits. They are champions and deservedly so despite those traits, no thanks to them.

Ok, I will see what else I can rant about.

Or you could wait until next month when the hormones kick in again??

I really enjoyed that race today. Was hoping Kimi would pip Vettel to 1st, but it wasn't to be. Not that I have anything against Vettel, would have just been nice to see Kimi win.

Rosberg - hmmmmmmm. Possibly Hamilton maybe should have backed off before he went off track, but I think he expected to be left a smidgen of room and when he wasn't, it was too late and I am not sure where else he was expected to go from there. I think Alonso thought the same thing and is possibly more aggrieved because he was a tad further alongside Rosberg than Hamilton was. I would say Rosberg is a lucky boy, especially for the Alonso incident.

[Caesar 0]

Yes, that is why it is also hard to bring the "winning from pole is just OK" issue becuase everytime I felt that people will think I only mean it as a way to dismiss whoever won's credit.

So, to make myself clear about Vettel: he is obviously a gifted driver. He had an easier life with a dominant RBR but he also played his part. He is also sometimes an arrogant prick. He gets better, not worse under pressure. He seems to learn from his mistakes. All those ggood traits (except the being a prick part)

Just because today I'm on a ranting mood:

On "Being X is a mark of the great ones, as well" (X being: arrogant/cheating/whinebags/Serial Killers/Procrastinators/etc.)

Those are not good traits to have, you know? "Hey, look! Alonso cheated in Hungary 2007!", "Well, you can't become a WDC unless you are ruthless and yes, sometime even cheating to win!". "Hey, look! Hamilton pushes all cars off track and then whines when he is frowned upon!", "Well, that shows aggressivness!"...you get the point. Schumi cheated, Kimi didn't give a ****, Vettel comes as too arrogant, Button...has a horrible name (I mean...Jenson? Really? Who the hell names his kid "Jenson"? It doesn't even has a Spanish equivalent! "El Jensono"! )

No siree, those are bad traits. They are champions and deservedly so despite those traits, no thanks to them.

Ok, I will see what else I can rant about.

hmm, 'Jensus' maybe ?

[Quiet One 15]

Or you could wait until next month when the hormones kick in again??

I really enjoyed that race today. Was hoping Kimi would pip Vettel to 1st, but it wasn't to be. Not that I have anything against Vettel, would have just been nice to see Kimi win.

Rosberg - hmmmmmmm. Possibly Hamilton maybe should have backed off before he went off track, but I think he expected to be left a smidgen of room and when he wasn't, it was too late and I am not sure where else he was expected to go from there. I think Alonso thought the same thing and is possibly more aggrieved because he was a tad further alongside Rosberg than Hamilton was. I would say Rosberg is a lucky boy, especially for the Alonso incident.

FYI hormones don't "kick in" for me, mate. I'm too old for that neener neener!

Wait...

Re: the race. yup, all my ranting is unrelated to this race. It was a thriller indeed. And so unpredictable, which seems to be the mark of this season. At some time you get so confused because that guy who seems hopelessly stuck on 16th is the guy that is actually fighting for 2nd place that you just don't care anymore and merely enjoy the wheel to wheel action of what is plenty.

Oh, ok, another rant btw. Pirelli's tires seem to be doing their part adding entropy. They alone provide enough overtaking action without crappy DRS overtakes. Time to get rid of it!

Rosberg: nice fighting spirit from Britney, way too clumsy. No penalties? Fine, but then make it crystal clear that no other driver will be ever penalised for such actions (Hamilton must be fuming over this). In any case, it wasn't so blatant a manipulation as to spoil the fun.

[brambilla 0]

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Rosberg - hmmmmmmm. Possibly Hamilton maybe should have backed off before he went off track, but I think he expected to be left a smidgen of room and when he wasn't, it was too late and I am not sure where else he was expected to go from there. I think Alonso thought the same thing and is possibly more aggrieved because he was a tad further alongside Rosberg than Hamilton was. I would say Rosberg is a lucky boy, especially for the Alonso incident.

I havent seen any replay angles which suggest either Alonso or Hamilton actually had their cars in a space next to Rosberg, Sure they were gaining, and if he left room on his right they would've squeezed through, but he, using one direction change (which i believe is within the rules), shut the door. Isnt the "Space" issue present only if they actually got their car alongside his (or somewhat parallel to the rear of his car) ?

[Argento Reloaded 1]

Di Resta drove something like a truck with 2 pit stop strategy admirabily! DOD for me. Kimi and Nando made good jobs, too. What happened with McLarens?

[F1 FANatic 1]

I havent seen any replay angles which suggest either Alonso or Hamilton actually had their cars in a space next to Rosberg, Sure they were gaining, and if he left room on his right they would've squeezed through, but he, using one direction change (which i believe is within the rules), shut the door. Isnt the "Space" issue present only if they actually got their car alongside his (or somewhat parallel to the rear of his car) ?

They weren't along side him. He was fully in his right to close the door. It is smart racing on his part. And that is the reason he didn;t get a penalty. Finally a good decision by the stewards. He was always infront and neither Hamilton nor alonso had to go off track. They have these magical things called 'brakes' that slow them down. I even heard one time that F1 cars have really good 'brakes'.

Hamilton on the other hand really should have gotten a drive through. He overtook off track which is a big no-no. Even the smallest karters know that. Inside of the corner, outside of the corner, along the strait, you never pass someone by going off the track to do it. Rosberg has a right to be p**sed on that one.

[Quiet One 15]

They weren't along side him. He was fully in his right to close the door. It is smart racing on his part. And that is the reason he didn;t get a penalty. Finally a good decision by the stewards. He was always infront and neither Hamilton nor alonso had to go off track. They have these magical things called 'brakes' that slow them down. I even heard one time that F1 cars have really good 'brakes'.

Hamilton on the other hand really should have gotten a drive through. He overtook off track which is a big no-no. Even the smallest karters know that. Inside of the corner, outside of the corner, along the strait, you never pass someone by going off the track to do it. Rosberg has a right to be p**sed on that one.

Oh, I forgot that Hamilton actually overtook him while off the track thanks for reminding me that "detail"!

They have brakes, yes. But Rosberg has mirrors too. It wasn't as if he was innocently minding his own business and kissing birds when these two big meany cars from hell tried to overtake him on the outside. He aggressively closed the door in the middle of an ovetaking manoeuvre from the car behind. Now, we might argue about whether the delta and blah blah and whether he had the right (my memory of both incidents is that they were pretty much alongside him in the process of overtaking him when he did that, but my memory is anything but flawless). But as for the fact itself he KNEW very well that he was pushing two cars off the road, whether legal or not. Not a move that will earn him new friends, or help him conserve the current ones (Lewis)

As for Lewis overtake, if Rosberg was right then Hammy is automatically wrong,, and viceversa, or is he not?

[F1 FANatic 1]

he was in front the entire time on both occasions. It is the passing driver's task to get around, not for the driver in front to move out of the way. And I am not saying Hamilton and Alonso were mean. Get a grip and be realistic. It was hard driving by Rosberg, but also smart and perfectly fair and legal. I wish more drivers drove that way. So many of the F1 guys drive reactionaraly. They pull over when the guy they are getting passsed by is already along side them.

So few of them think 2 or 3 corners ahead. Rosberg knew that the guys behind him would be faster up the hill because he was compromised through the uphill right hander because he had to defend into the first corner. If you watch the replays you see he deliberately drives that line out of the corner because he know the guys behind will be faster and will have to take him on the right side because the next corner is a right hander as well. Rosberg sets himself up to be on the inside of the next corner, exactly what you would expect any driver to do.

Kimi drives the same way. he sets up overtaking moves 3 corners in advance. He know that if he slows down in corner one he can accelerate faster out of it and have an advantage in corner 2 where he will be behind though still because he backed off on prepuce on the previous corner. but in corner 2 he takes the advantage and so is faster out of #2 and so can out brake the guy in front into #3. Most other drivers just try and get as close as possible all the time only to wash out and loose all their momentum.

How many of the guys and gals here have actually been on a track driving in a real race. Not F1 of course but anything? karts? amateur series? anything like that? I doubt it is many from the ridiculous comments some people post.

And no, Hamilton is not wrong because Rosberg is right. Hamilton is wrong because all of his tires and his entire car were over the white line marking the race track boundary.

[Rainmaster 7]

he was in front the entire time on both occasions. It is the passing driver's task to get around, not for the driver in front to move out of the way. And I am not saying Hamilton and Alonso were mean. Get a grip and be realistic. It was hard driving by Rosberg, but also smart and perfectly fair and legal. I wish more drivers drove that way. So many of the F1 guys drive reactionaraly. They pull over when the guy they are getting passsed by is already along side them.

So few of them think 2 or 3 corners ahead. Rosberg knew that the guys behind him would be faster up the hill because he was compromised through the uphill right hander because he had to defend into the first corner. If you watch the replays you see he deliberately drives that line out of the corner because he know the guys behind will be faster and will have to take him on the right side because the next corner is a right hander as well. Rosberg sets himself up to be on the inside of the next corner, exactly what you would expect any driver to do.

Kimi drives the same way. he sets up overtaking moves 3 corners in advance. He know that if he slows down in corner one he can accelerate faster out of it and have an advantage in corner 2 where he will be behind though still because he backed off on prepuce on the previous corner. but in corner 2 he takes the advantage and so is faster out of #2 and so can out brake the guy in front into #3. Most other drivers just try and get as close as possible all the time only to wash out and loose all their momentum.

How many of the guys and gals here have actually been on a track driving in a real race. Not F1 of course but anything? karts? amateur series? anything like that? I doubt it is many from the ridiculous comments some people post.

And no, Hamilton is not wrong because Rosberg is right. Hamilton is wrong because all of his tires and his entire car were over the white line marking the race track boundary.

Rosberg's moves were hard racing but I don't think they were good racing. Why do you think Alonso got so annoyed? The drivers generally know what is correct on the track and what is not (they've done karting, amateur series, you know, stuff like that). To aggressively swerve across the track at that speed is dangerous and stupid, especially to do it so late and so sharply. You have to leave room for the other guy who is overtaking and Rosberg left none. If you are going to leave no room then you cannot complain if the overtaker passes you off the track, even if that's technically illegal.

Rosberg can thank the inconsistency of the stewards and his lack of past transgressions for the fact he didn't get penalised; and simple luck that his car was left intact.

[brambilla 0]

What F1 FANatic said !

I dont need to rehash what F1 FANatic said, but to add on to it, I've rarely seen Rosberg do something in the "heat of the moment" - which might be a weakness of sorts actually. More often than not, it's helped him bring the car home safe. Sure he could've gotten into some messy tussles, but he's never had a car capable of putting up a season-long push to the leaders, so he's focused on getting points. I think he feels better about the car this season, and didnt want to give up points if meant some solid defense through one turn, and then pulling away after that (Which he did with Fernando).

The most reactionary thing I remember his doing is from his rookie year, when he ran into Webber , and they both had that mad dash back to the pits, which Rosberg bollixed up, and ended in the wall - ending with Webber's now unforgettable response to Williams when they said "Priority Nico" - "Dont think so Mate, Britney's in the wall"

[JHS18 0]

Rosberg's moves were hard racing but I don't think they were good racing. Why do you think Alonso got so annoyed? The drivers generally know what is correct on the track and what is not (they've done karting, amateur series, you know, stuff like that). To aggressively swerve across the track at that speed is dangerous and stupid, especially to do it so late and so sharply. You have to leave room for the other guy who is overtaking and Rosberg left none. If you are going to leave no room then you cannot complain if the overtaker passes you off the track, even if that's technically illegal.

Rosberg can thank the inconsistency of the stewards and his lack of past transgressions for the fact he didn't get penalised; and simple luck that his car was left intact.

I agree.

The only difference between what Rosberg did and what Schumacher did to Barrichello at Hungary a couple of years ago was that there was more run off room. But it was still equally dangerous in my opinion.

I bet that if that had been Hamilton or Schumacher pulling that sort of antics, there would have been all sorts of penalties flying around. Strange that.

Rules state that you are not allowed to crowd a car or force it off circuit. Rosberg did that. Twice.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Got everything crossed for you, Brad.

Lovely stuff? Indeed.

Win did'nt happen, but thanks man...

[BradSpeedMan 6]

Brad, your fave boys 1-2. Manamasturbation time for you.

[pabloh20 1]

FYI hormones don't "kick in" for me, mate. I'm too old for that neener neener!

Wait...

Re: the race. yup, all my ranting is unrelated to this race. It was a thriller indeed. And so unpredictable, which seems to be the mark of this season. At some time you get so confused because that guy who seems hopelessly stuck on 16th is the guy that is actually fighting for 2nd place that you just don't care anymore and merely enjoy the wheel to wheel action of what is plenty.

Oh, ok, another rant btw. Pirelli's tires seem to be doing their part adding entropy. They alone provide enough overtaking action without crappy DRS overtakes. Time to get rid of it!

Rosberg: nice fighting spirit from Britney, way too clumsy. No penalties? Fine, but then make it crystal clear that no other driver will be ever penalised for such actions (Hamilton must be fuming over this). In any case, it wasn't so blatant a manipulation as to spoil the fun.

Yep, I agree. No penalties is fine, but as you say this sort of move then applies to everyone this year. Or until they change the ruling

[Ikyrotz 0]

he was in front the entire time on both occasions. It is the passing driver's task to get around, not for the driver in front to move out of the way. And I am not saying Hamilton and Alonso were mean. Get a grip and be realistic. It was hard driving by Rosberg, but also smart and perfectly fair and legal. I wish more drivers drove that way. So many of the F1 guys drive reactionaraly. They pull over when the guy they are getting passsed by is already along side them.

I completely agree with this. From the tv footage it was impossible to tell where Alonso/Hamilton were in relation to Rosberg, but the stewards said they were behind him and that being the case, the move was perfectly ok. They had all the room they needed to stay on track on the left side of Rosberg. This case cannot be compared to Schumacher/Barrichello move, as there Rubens definitely was alongside Schumi when he did his move.

[pabloh20 1]

I havent seen any replay angles which suggest either Alonso or Hamilton actually had their cars in a space next to Rosberg, Sure they were gaining, and if he left room on his right they would've squeezed through, but he, using one direction change (which i believe is within the rules), shut the door. Isnt the "Space" issue present only if they actually got their car alongside his (or somewhat parallel to the rear of his car) ?

I don't think Hamilton was alongside Rosberg, but I think he was expecting to be left a little bit of room, as I said. If you look at the replays for Alonso, I think he had his front wheel alongside Rosberg's back wheels when Rosberg started to move over, which is why I think he was a bit angrier.

[pabloh20 1]

I completely agree with this. From the tv footage it was impossible to tell where Alonso/Hamilton were in relation to Rosberg, but the stewards said they were behind him and that being the case, the move was perfectly ok. They had all the room they needed to stay on track on the left side of Rosberg. This case cannot be compared to Schumacher/Barrichello move, as there Rubens definitely was alongside Schumi when he did his move.

I would have to have a look again, but I think Alonso was alongisde Rosberg as much as Barrichello was alsongside Schumi. I think the only difference was the wall.

[pabloh20 1]

Win did'nt happen, but thanks man...

So close, great drive from Kimi. I was shouting at him to overtake Vettel, but it wasn't to be.

I hope Lotus can keep up this performance, it's good to have 4 different manufacturers genuinely able to challenge for wins.

[Caesar 0]

nico admiting that he is gay and that he likes lewis and fernando, in german

[AleHop 0]

The race is ok. Too much predictability sometimes with the DRS thing and too much unpredictability with the new Pirellis. The best thing at the moment is a championship with many drivers in the hunt. The races ain't bad I suppose although a few things could make them better. Easier to say than to do.

About incidents I think they should either penalise Hamilton or Rosberg. They can't say both of them did no wrong. Alonso was pushed off the track and he still didn't overtake off the track but I would penalise Rosberg for no-brain driving twice in a race. Alonso said "you can push people off the track and overtake off the track, enjoy" or something like that and he's right. There's something wrong with stewards' criteria for penalties.

[Rainmaster 7]

I agree Ale. Alonso said on Twitter "I think you are going to have fun in future races! You can defend position as you want and you can overtake outside the track! Enjoy! ))".

[Massa 0]

Alonso's on Twitter? Man these guys are desperate for attention! You know Luciano Burti didn't give out his ICQ to just anyone, and I spent days on Dogpile trying to find Enrique Bernoldi's America Online address but never could...real blue-collar racers, didn't have these gizmos and things. They were all so mysterious and introverted back then.

[AleHop 0]

Hehehe, I think Alonso will get in trouble with Twitter.

If he's actually writing the things.

[Caesar 0]

Hehehe, I think Alonso will get in trouble with Twitter.

If he's actually writing the things.

yes he is writing it.

it is interesting to see his photos, he has a good eye for it.

[Delta 0]

I love how people can just say "he should have used his breaks" when another car forces them off the circuit. Alonso and Lewis had no choice, it was either go off the circuit or crash with Rosberg. If it had been Lewis doing it to Rosberg or Alonso you can almost guarantee that he would have been given a penalty.