Alonso Up To His Tricks Again

[5P33D3V1L 0]

Wez how do you explain that violent steering movement towards Doorknobs after he had made the turn?

Well I think after he braked hard looked like he had to correct it as it was sliding but I mean Doornbos should of given up the place even Alonso was in the inside basically next to him. But imo its a racing incident Alonso tried passing but turned out a bit sloppy. Plus conincidence it was the same pair. There was no damage or anything nothing huge so just carry on with the weekend.

Im more suprised with Vettel he barely driven an F1 car and he fastest and didnt make mistakes etc. So either this means he a good little driver or F1 cars are just so easy to drive. But for some reason why hire him to develop your car. Wouldnt you want someone like JV or some one experienced maybe Panis whats he doing these days still with Toyota?

[Autumnpuma 0]

Well I think after he braked hard looked like he had to correct it as it was sliding but I mean Doornbos should of given up the place even Alonso was in the inside basically next to him. But imo its a racing incident Alonso tried passing but turned out a bit sloppy. Plus conincidence it was the same pair. There was no damage or anything nothing huge so just carry on with the weekend.

Not so. Alonso was already alongside and was the faster car. In practice, you yield to the faster car. Doornbos should have taken a wider line to allow Alonso through. I think perhaps Doornbos might have had a small chip on his shoulder from Alonso's brake-check tactic, but that's pure speculation on my part.

In the end, it was still Doornbos' fault and demonstrates that the rookie still has alot to learn.

[stopkidding 0]

move along boys, nothing foul here, alonso was too late on the brakes, locked up and corrected to get back in control. was there some ego in those actions, perhaps, no one can tell, we can speculate, but i would be surprised if there was any action taken by the stewards...

I want a clean fight, so i hope Schumi and Alonso start on the first row...

[Autumnpuma 0]

move along boys, nothing foul here, alonso was too late on the brakes, locked up and corrected to get back in control. was there some ego in those actions, perhaps, no one can tell, we can speculate, but i would be surprised if there was any action taken by the stewards...

I want a clean fight, so i hope Schumi and Alonso start on the first row...

Not so. Alonso was forced to the inside of the racing line by a slower car refusing to yield. Doornbos gave Alonso no other option than to brake hard and try to make the corner. The counter-correction of Alonso's at the apex would have worked had Doornbos given him room and not been three bloody inches from Alonso's sidepod .

Last time the fault was Alonso's and this time it was Doornbos. I want that clear, and that's why I'm beating this to death. This was brought up, wrong conclusions have been made, and I'm trying my best to get that corrected I've done the same for other drivers (Schumi in Monaco, for example).

[cavallino 2]

Rubbish, Doorknobs was ahead and on the racing line taking the corner, Alonso tried to take the inside line and sneak in, and when Doorknobs refused to let go he tried to go up the inside, and when he saw that he wasn't fast enough he turned into Doorknobs to try and take him off the track. There was no oversteer, he had the car perfectly in control, but he still decided to use full lock twice to try and block the track and take Doorknobs off. Going by his punishment in the last race, he should be banned for a race.

Doorknobs was on a timed lap, he got a tow on Alonso on the previous turn and went past, then stupid boneheaded fool that Alonso is, he suddenly realised that it's Doorknobs, and he decides no f$%king way, and like the loser that he is he tries to take Doorknobs off the track.

move along boys, nothing foul here, alonso was too late on the brakes, locked up and corrected to get back in control. was there some ego in those actions, perhaps, no one can tell, we can speculate, but i would be surprised if there was any action taken by the stewards...

I want a clean fight, so i hope Schumi and Alonso start on the first row...

I think a one race ban is a fair punishment, but a back of the grid start would make for a more interesting race, he'll be forced to try and pass Doorknobs on the track. Go Doorknobs

[Jean Todt 4]

Well Ive thought on more than one occation Schumcher should be banned for life...

Sure you do, its the only way Kimi will beat the world champion this season!

wtf kimi and micheal hav to do with this topic?

no one hates alonso here, if you see, no one has attacked micheal or kimi the way they have attacked alonso, i mean to say, alosno hasnt got the kind of bashing the other two have got.

we all respect alonso, but its guys like you who make us loose respect, if you want to bash micheal or kimi, go start an other thread,

[Autumnpuma 0]

Rubbish, Doorknobs was ahead and on the racing line taking the corner, Alonso tried to take the inside line and sneak in, and when Doorknobs refused to let go he tried to go up the inside, and when he saw that he wasn't fast enough he turned into Doorknobs to try and take him off the track. There was no oversteer, he had the car perfectly in control, but he still decided to use full lock twice to try and block the track and take Doorknobs off. Going by his punishment in the last race, he should be banned for a race.

You are wrong. I will post screenshots proving my case in a bit.

[Blitzkrieg 0]

Doornbus was the one on his fast lap, it is clearly shown that Alonso sneaked in the inside with very little room left and just pushed him (Doornbus) off, such driving is very reckless, sure one might say it is racing, but when Michael does that, he suffers an even worse punishment, I don't mind seeing them (Michael and Fernando) race face to face, but there are certain rules that needs to be followed and I think he should suffer a punishment.

[Autumnpuma 0]

Okay, here's how I see it:

First image shows them approaching the corner. We don't know what happened at the previous corner's exit to cause Alonso to drive inside the line, but I suspect he was faster because I don't see them taking the previous corner together, so logically Alonso caught up to Doornbos between the previous corner and this corner--and decided to get inside to pass him; probably because Doornbos didn't make room for him a few seconds before....

Second image is about at the same spot as the first, we can see how close they were. Notice Doornbos' position. Alonso was clearly alongside.

Third image shows that Alonso has actually overtaken Doornbos (at this point Doornbos should have yielded the corner):

Fourth image shows that Doornbos has decided to race Alonso. Doornbos knew Alonso was there, but accellerated anyway:

Next we see proof of Doornbos' intention to race Alonso and NOT yield the position to the faster car. Notice the tyre smoke on BOTH cars? This shows how hard Doornbos was pushing to stay ahead of the guy who brake-checked him.

Sixth image we see the apex just an instant before impact.

The final image is of Alonso turning into Doornbos. I will have to admit, there is no way to know if this was correcting for a tight entry geometry or Alonso bashing Doornbos. I would say he was bashing him, as Cav stated, but after watching the incident, I would have bashed Doornbos too. What the hell was that idiot doing?!!? You MUST yield to the faster car in practice.

EDIT: Stupid me, I got two images out of sequence; Blitz and drib, you might wanna re-read this as I was editing while you were reading.

[dribbler 6]

Nice analysis puma. The only thing i would say is that i would find it amazing if Fernando deliberately tried to make contact with RD, especially after the controversy of Hungary.

This is another case of over analysis. Guys like Fernando and Michael will always be in the thick of the action because they want to get on with things. There will always be people who want to make a fuss about petty incidents for the sake of it.

Had this happened between RD and say, Ralf Schumacher no one would be batting an eyelid.

EDIT: Stupid me, I got two images out of sequence; Blitz and drib, you might wanna re-read this as I was editing while you were reading.

Thanks for pointing it out but it makes no difference, not to me.

[cavallino 2]

Okay, here's how I see it:

First image shows them approaching the corner. We don't know what happened at the previous corner's exit to cause Alonso to drive inside the line,

I just told you, Doorknobs got a tow and went past. I don't have footage, I have this from reliable eyewitness reports though.

[dribbler 6]

I just told you, Doorknobs got a tow and went past. I don't have footage, I have this from reliable eyewitness reports though.

Are you suggesting that this makes a difference to the situation?

[cavallino 2]

Doorknobs gets a tow and goes past, Alonso suddenly realises it is Doorknobs and tries something completely idiotic to try and hold the position, when that is unsuccessful he tries to take him out. Red Card.

[dribbler 6]

Doorknobs gets a tow and goes past, [/b] Alonso suddenly realises it is Doorknobs and tries something completely idiotic to try and hold the position , when that is unsuccessful he tries to take him out. Red Card.

That's speculation and not fact Cav. What was RD doing going past Alonso in the first place? He may have been quicker at that point but would be stupid to think that this would net him a quicker lap than Alonso. In other words, his car was slower than Alonso and should not have gone past in the first place. This was practice, not the race.

RD's behaviour was a little antagonistic

[cavallino 2]

Doorknobd was ona hot lap, Alonso is supposed to let him through (which he did, but then realised that it was his old foe and decided to play tricks).

[Autumnpuma 0]

Doorknobd was ona hot lap, Alonso is supposed to let him through (which he did, but then realised that it was his old foe and decided to play tricks).

Bull. You are fighting a losing fight, Cav. This is practice, not qualy or the race. Getting a tow and passing Alonso does NOTHING to help Doornbos with whatever he was supposed to be testing on the car. Drafting is a racing move, not a practice move, and only shows he was the slower of the two if he needed to resort to that.

Your suggestion that he was on a hot lap doesn't make a bit of difference as this is practice not qualifying.

The only 'red card' that should be given out is to you, Cav, for leading the charge against Alonso

[dribbler 6]

(which he did, but then realised that it was his old foe and decided to play tricks).

There it is again. Why do you resort to speculation? Look at the facts as they present themselves.

[Blitzkrieg 0]

Bull. You are fighting a losing fight, Cav. This is practice, not qualy or the race. Getting a tow and passing Alonso does NOTHING to help Doornbos with whatever he was supposed to be testing on the car. Drafting is a racing move, not a practice move, and only shows he was the slower of the two if he needed to resort to that.

Your suggestion that he was on a hot lap doesn't make a bit of difference as this is practice not qualifying.

The only 'red card' that should be given out is to you, Cav, for leading the charge against Alonso

First of all, thanks for the analysis. But I agree with you on one part - that it is practise session and not the race/qualifying, Doornbos was the one on a hot lap and not Alonso, so why even make the move on him unnecessarily - since it is practise session? just let him pass through and cruise to the pit in peace, why did he had to make that move and create such controversy? He has done a similar act in the Hungarian practise session and suffered a penalty for it, so in my opinion it is his fault for committing such an unnecessary act. There wouldn'tve been any problem if he would've just let him pass right? There was obviously a different motive there.

[dribbler 6]

Do we have evidence that RD was definitely on a hot lap?

[Blitzkrieg 0]

Do we have evidence that RD was definitely on a hot lap?

He said it himself.

"Everyone

[Jean Todt 4]

Nice analysis puma. The only thing i would say is that i would find it amazing if Fernando deliberately tried to make contact with RD, especially after the controversy of Hungary.

This is another case of over analysis. Guys like Fernando and Michael will always be in the thick of the action because they want to get on with things. There will always be people who want to make a fuss about petty incidents for the sake of it.

Had this happened between RD and say, Ralf Schumacher no one would be batting an eyelid.

Thanks for pointing it out but it makes no difference, not to me.

true, and puma, thanx alot for the pix!

[Kay 0]

I'd still be batting an eyelid, I don't like this sort of behaviour from drivers, both of them, Doornbos said it was a game of chicken, or do we know better than him? He's a liar? Please.

[Sato 0]

What was the the problem here? looked like Dornbos turned in even though it was clear Alonso was going for the apex....

I don't know if Alosno should of bothered, but there's nothing wrong with what he did......

[schumi13 0]

Yep, like on every forum there is always two sides to the story and two different opinions. They both should be respected regardless though right or wrong.

[cavallino 2]

What was the the problem here? looked like Dornbos turned in even though it was clear Alonso was going for the apex....

I don't know if Alosno should of bothered, but there's nothing wrong with what he did......

Doorknobs was on a hot lap, he overtook Alonso who wasn't on the previous turn. Alonso suddenly saw that it was Doorknobs, he sped up and tried to make the corner in front despite being behind on the straight. Then her tried to take Doorknobs off the track. Utterly despicable behaviour