Alonso Demoted To Sixth In Hungary

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Compare it with THIS

Sorry, Hammy boy, I'm not buying your nice guy act anymore

Hypocrisy again.

That Hamilton is a...

No, I don't give a Sh#t.

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Hypocrisy again.

That Hamilton is a...

No, I don't give a Sh#t.

Sorry, can you point out the hypocrisy for me?

[AleHop 0]

Sorry, can you point out the hypocrisy for me?

Sorry I can't.

It is everywhere, in every paragraph, in every line, in every word...

Much easier if you point out the non hypocritical words by yourself.

[Quiet One 15]

So, Lewis is ruthless? Ron, Fernando and the boys are licking their wounds because they have just found out? Sorry, but the writing was on the wall. Early this season Lewis knew that the WDC was on and nobody drives the way he does without carrying that determination through to their activities and mindset out of the c#ckpit.

Lewis is Michael, Alain and Ayrton nasty. Thank god.

You are talking about his tactics, I was talking about his comments on that article.

He says he holds no grudges against anybody, that he admires Alonso and blah blah blah.

In the same article, he hints that Alonso cheated him, that Alonso is bitter and blah blah blah.

Sounds like "Look at me, I am good. I admire him though he is a pedophiliac drug dealer" Sorry, that is not nice.

As for his tactics. Again turns out to be totally subjective. I don't admire his tactics. I don't admire Alonso's tactics, either. I would rather see them both fighting with all this strength in a clean and fair way. I don't see any greatness on cheating your way up to success. To be a great one while being a good sport, now that's hard, and admirable. But I know you and Muzza disagree

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Sorry I can't.

It is everywhere, in every paragraph, in every line, in every word...

Much easier if you point out the non hypocritical words by yourself.

Well if you can't specifically validate your opinion, it will fall on deaf ears.

You are talking about his tactics, I was talking about his comments on that article.

He says he holds no grudges against anybody, that he admires Alonso and blah blah blah.

In the same article, he hints that Alonso cheated him, that Alonso is bitter and blah blah blah.

Sounds like "Look at me, I am good. I admire him though he is a pedophiliac drug dealer" Sorry, that is not nice.

As for his tactics. Again turns out to be totally subjective. I don't admire his tactics. I don't admire Alonso's tactics, either. I would rather see them both fighting with all this strength in a clean and fair way. I don't see any greatness on cheating your way up to success. To be a great one while being a good sport, now that's hard, and admirable. But I know you and Muzza disagree

In the same sentence i can say "I have a deep respect for Michael Scumacher but i know sometimes he wasn't always pure" so i don't see the hypocrisy in Lewis's statement.

As for his tactics and Fernando's tactics? I don't think either were unfair. They have been grossly blown out of all proportion and context because they are the only interesting spats going on right now.

[Quiet One 15]

Well if you can't specifically validate your opinion, it will fall on deaf ears.

In the same sentence i can say "I have a deep respect for Michael Scumacher but i know sometimes he wasn't always pure" so i don't see the hypocrisy in Lewis's statement.

As for his tactics and Fernando's tactics? I don't think either were unfair. They have been grossly blown out of all proportion and context because they are the only interesting spats going on right now.

That one got me thinking...and maybe you are right!

Then again, what would we do if it weren't for these distractions? The race itself was as interesting as watching a cow ruminating for 2 hours.

[Lure 0]

Alonso is the problem not Lewis. Alonso has already demonstrated instances where his emotions have got the better of him. I repeat, he colluded with his engineer to deliberately block Lewis from completing a lap. Now the real issue is did the whole team collude to prevent Lewis from completing the lap or was a rogue element of Nando his engineer and the physio. My thoughts lean to the latter, but Ron has implicated the whole team by trying to spin the story.

My goodness are you for reel?? If this isn't a blinkered view of a Lewis Hamilton fan, Knock me down and call me shorty.

Don't worry mate it's clear that the powers that be have decided it is good for the sport of F1 that young Lewis Hamilton win the WDC and he'll get all the help they can give him. First the spy scandal, then he gets a lift from a crane back onto the track and now this. I for one would like to see this sport run truely and fairly.

Now i don't thgink it's Lewis fault, but i do think somethink stinks badly. I for sure don't think anyone is conspiring against Lewis as you absurdley seem to believe. he won the race right???

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I'm starting to get confused here! If Alonso did it on purpose then why blame Hamilton??? Somebody explain, actually don't because I'll get even more confused!

What i don't understand is why it even went to the stewards?? It's up to Mclaren to run their qualifying and if they make a mistake and a driver doesn't get a final lap, why are the stewards invloved at all. It was the teams fault and they are penalised by missing that opportunity right?? Why are stewards even looking at it.

I think it stinks and i feel for Alonso, who was ripped off. They where both on the front grid FFS. Whats the big problem -Stewards stay out of it!!!

[NeoData 0]

That one got me thinking...and maybe you are right!

Then again, what would we do if it weren't for these distractions? The race itself was as interesting as watching a cow ruminating for 2 hours.

I could not enjoy the race at all.

I was too stunned because of the fact Alonso got penalised for breaking a rule that does not excist.....

Another thing that amazed me was the fact that even if there was such a rule based on the teams explanation that it was his race engineer who told him to wait you cannot penalize him.

During a pitstop the team is responsible for sending the driver away so if Fernando was following orders only the team should be penalised.

What the stewards did today was basicly codemn Alonso for doing as he was told and praising Lewis for not doing so.

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What i don't underswtand is why it even went to the stewards?? It's up to Mclaren to run their qualifying and if they makre a mistake and driver doesn't get a final lap, why are the stewrad invloved at all. It was the teams fault and they a penalised by missing that opportunity right?? Why are steward even looking at it.

ithink it stinks and i feel for Alonso, who was ripped off. They weer both on the front Grid FFS. Whats the big problem>> Stewards stay out of it!!!

I agree 100%

They should have just let these 2 hotshots battle it out on the track.

But the stewards clearly felt it was in the best interest of the sport to deny the viewer the chance to watch em battle it out on the track head to head.

[Max Mosley 2]

No I think they felt it was important Alonso and McLaren don't give false evidence in an investigation.

[NeoData 0]

No I think they felt it was important Alonso and McLaren don't give false evidence in an investigation.

There is no false evidence and that is beside the point!

The stewards are constantly overreacting and damaging the sport with stupid decisions and in this case they actually penalised Alonso and McLaren for a breaking a rule that does not excist.

[Max Mosley 2]

The stewards thought there was false evidence. I don't know for sure if they were right, but I'm inclined to believe them, especially regarding Alonso. And I don't think it is besides the point at all. They are entitled to investigate anything they wish and it's up to Alonso and McLaren to tell them the truth. After all, if you haven't broken any laws, there's no need to lie.

[FUschumi 0]

There is no false evidence and that is beside the point!

The stewards are constantly overreacting and damaging the sport with stupid decisions and in this case they actually penalised Alonso and McLaren for a breaking a rule that does not excist.

[FUschumi 0]

i think Alonso should be banned from the sport. He's met his - no more than his match a nd is now trying to cheat instead of racing

Then how about Schumi?

[Autumnpuma 0]

So, Lewis is ruthless? Ron, Fernando and the boys are licking their wounds because they have just found out? Sorry, but the writing was on the wall. Early this season Lewis knew that the WDC was on and nobody drives the way he does without carrying that determination through to their activities and mindset out of the c#ckpit.

Lewis is Michael, Alain and Ayrton nasty. Thank god.

Bravo! Every driver competing for the WDC, at some point, faces the same choice Lewis did in Hungary. Do you submit to the team, and go the way of Coulthard, or do you stand up and seize the day like Ayrton? I like Hamilton's choice-he's in good company.

I see nothing wrong with what Hamilton or Alonso did in Hungary. The fault, to me, lies with the overactive race stewards.

[Piotr 0]

So much negativity towards a guy that didn't do anything but do his job... You guys should just admit it.. Your boy Alonso is crap and a cry baby. He's getting his arse kicked by some mixed race man and you lot just absolutely hates it!!!! lol

U R right - he did! This is yest another mess that Hamilton instigated, but made appear like he is the only choir boy in the outfit - what a BULL!!! hamilton is extremely selfish and focused on his own interest, at an expense of ANYONE standing in his way. Not a bad characteristics for an F1 driver, but let's not make him into something he is not.

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Bravo! Every driver competing for the WDC, at some point, faces the same choice Lewis did in Hungary. Do you submit to the team, and go the way of Coulthard, or do you stand up and seize the day like Ayrton? I like Hamilton's choice-he's in good company.

I see nothing wrong with what Hamilton or Alonso did in Hungary. The fault, to me, lies with the overactive race stewards.

Agreed. None of them is a saint. So, Why are we surprised at this stuff going on??

[Fed up 0]

Bravo! Every driver competing for the WDC, at some point, faces the same choice Lewis did in Hungary. Do you submit to the team, and go the way of Coulthard, or do you stand up and seize the day like Ayrton? I like Hamilton's choice-he's in good company.

I see nothing wrong with what Hamilton or Alonso did in Hungary. The fault, to me, lies with the overactive race stewards.

I agree, but think Alonso's move was too deliberate and obvious. There was sufficient time for both to get a final lap in, but Alonso must have felt that Lewis had a better chance of taking pole and decided to take matters into his own hands. Alonso should have gone out and set a time that couldn't be beaten by Lewis rather than prevent him from competing.

Lewis is like a baby face assassin who likes serving his dose of poison with an innocent smile.

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But it was Alonsos's lap.

And the McLaren staff should have taken disobediant boy's car into the pit insted of keeping it behind Alonso's.

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And the McLaren staff should have taken disobediant boy's car into the pit insted of keeping it behind Alonso's.

FIA is going to check how many fuel McLaren decides to put on Hamilton's car, how many laps he gets for Q3, how long it takes to put a new set of tyres... And if something goes wrong for Hamilton they will penalize Fernando Alonso and the team.

McLaren is not anymore a team it is a driver against most of the team supported by FIA, and a p**sed off driver trying to leave that ship.

[Fed up 0]

But it was Alonsos's lap.

And the McLaren staff should have taken disobediant boy's car into the pit insted of keeping it behind Alonso's.

But there was sufficient time for both to get a lap in. If Lewis had sufficient fuel and tyres to complete a final lap, why should he park up just because it was 'Alonso's lap'

If MS had been in a similar situation, he would simply have set a blistering lap that Lewis couldn't match regardless of how many times he circled the track.

Alonso was convinced that Lewis would beat any time he set, so decided to prevent him from doing so.

[YHR 0]

But it was Alonsos's lap.

And the McLaren staff should have taken disobediant boy's car into the pit insted of keeping it behind Alonso's.

This is one thing we can agree on. Chances are he wouldn't have listened.

Lewis Hamilton has shown himself. I don't rally care one way or the other, but the stewards should have stayed out of this. This is completely a McClaren problem, and the Stewards treated Alonso unjustly. The last lap was his, the team wanted it that way, he is a double world champion who was overcoming boy wonder, and has every right to expect the team commitment, and get fair play out of them. The stewards skewed the result of this race, and the whole thing stinks, just about like everytihg else in F1 lately.

I don't know what the Lewis Hamilton guys are on about really. The team has spoken and they have clearly pointed at Lewis Hamilton for not following the game plan. Hamilton admitted to this and has already apologized to the team. There is really nothing to spin here. Hamilton, a rookie who fell into the best seat on the grid, has now taken it upon himself to disobey the very people that gave him that ride. That is the fact. You can either hate him for it or love him for it, the choice is yours, but the fact remains.

I have no idea why the stewards are even involved in this. What about Ferrari screwing up on Massa's Fuel load preventing him for qualifying. Maybe they should look at that too. Maybe they should have penalised KR, because Massa got screwed, and he didn't. That is about how bizarre this whole thing is. It is absolute crap, and again the politics of F1 dictate the outcome.

As some one else pointed out. What an absolute snorefest the actual race was with Alonso stuck behind the slower cars from the onset. The best racing on the planet???????? Give me a break.

I've been watching CART and some Australian Saloon cars. A much better show then this crap.

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But there was sufficient time for both to get a lap in. If Lewis had sufficient fuel and tyres to complete a final lap, why should he park up just because it was 'Alonso's lap'

If MS had been in a similar situation, he would simply have set a blistering lap that Lewis couldn't match regardless of how many times he circled the track.

Alonso was convinced that Lewis would beat any time he set, so decided to prevent him from doing so.

MS had the full support of the Ferrari Team, and any teammate that would have done what Hamilton did would be gone from that ferrari team. McLaren scored no Championship points because, boy wonder wouldn't follow the game plan, and the stewards some how got involved?????. Any driver that did that at Ferrari would be out on his a##. I was never an MS fan, but I envied what he had at Ferrari, and steps that they would go to always ensure he was the one that captured the pole on the final lap of qualifying.

Michael Schmaucher was a great driver, and Ferrari was a great team, and together the dominated the sport because of the order they created in that team.

McLaren has a real mess on their hands now. Ron let this get out of hand, and he knows it.

[Max Mosley 2]

But there was sufficient time for both to get a lap in. If Lewis had sufficient fuel and tyres to complete a final lap, why should he park up just because it was 'Alonso's lap'

If MS had been in a similar situation, he would simply have set a blistering lap that Lewis couldn't match regardless of how many times he circled the track.

Alonso was convinced that Lewis would beat any time he set, so decided to prevent him from doing so.

Yes on all counts. Some people here just have no imagination. It's quite funny imho.

I don't know what the Lewis Hamilton guys are on about really. The team has spoken and they have clearly pointed at Lewis Hamilton for not following the game plan. Hamilton admitted to this and has already apologized to the team. There is really nothing to spin here. Hamilton, a rookie who fell into the best seat on the grid, has now taken it upon himself to disobey the very people that gave him that ride. That is the fact. You can either hate him for it or love him for it, the choice is yours, but the fact remains.

Lewis is quite possibly another Senna/Schumi in the making, with all that that entails about his character imho.

But you do know that JV argued with and disobeyed team orders?