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#1 Pato

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 05:22 PM

Saw this on PF1, thought it's a good idea. Just list your best to worst F1 drivers.

My list:
1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Fernando Alonso
3. Felipe Massa
4. Sebastian Vettel
5. Kimi Raikkonen
6. Nico Rosberg
7. Robert Kubica
8. Nick Heidfeld
9. Mark Webber
10. Jarno Trulli
11. Jenson Button
12. Adrian Sutil
13. Timo Glock
14. Sebastien Buemi
15. Rubens Barichello
16. Giancarlo Fisichella
17. Heikki Kovalainen
18. Jaime Alguersuari (impressive debut but we can't judge him properly yet)
19. Romain Grosjean (accident prone in GP2, don't know what to expect of him)
20. Kazuki Nakajima

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 05:32 PM

1.- Fernando Alonso.
2 to 20.- Who cares?

(lists are boring if there is no explanation on why you ranked the drivers that way...just my humble opinion)
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Posted 19 August 2009 - 07:15 PM

I think -as Jenson Button proved this year- there is a top drivers group: Nando, Hamilton, Webber, Massa, Heidfield and Kimi with a-soon-to-be-in-this-group drivers like Nico rosberg, Seb Vettel, kubica, Glock and maybe Buemi and Sutil. The rest is a mix of my-best-days-passed (Rubinho, Trulli and Fisico) and simply a bunch of very good drivers... for any series but F1 (Nakajima, Bourdais, Kovalainen).
For the sucess of each of these drivers is important the decissions they´ll take in the car and outside the car in terms of career managent and teams.
And yes Andrés, you´re right Lewis is the best... ooops! No Nando is the best package overall -till he drive a Ferrari, at least!

Edited by Argento, 19 August 2009 - 07:17 PM.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 08:36 PM

View PostQuiet One, on 19 August 2009 - 05:32 PM, said:

1.- Fernando Alonso.
2 to 20.- Who cares?
I like your list.

I never understood those long list with more than one item. Posted Image

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 10:34 PM

View PostQuiet One, on 19 August 2009 - 05:32 PM, said:

1.- Fernando Alonso.
2 to 20.- Who cares?

(lists are boring if there is no explanation on why you ranked the drivers that way...just my humble opinion)

So logically your list is boring too :)

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 10:52 PM

View Postmeanioni, on 19 August 2009 - 10:34 PM, said:

So logically your list is boring too :)
That would be true if it weren't for rule #2: "Any list of best F1 drivers that begins with Alonso on top is not only fun, but also accurate and hence informative as well. This rule supersedes rule number #1"

Hey, don't look at me. I don't make the rules. :whistling:

Edited by Quiet One, 19 August 2009 - 10:54 PM.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 11:31 PM

My list:
1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Fernando Alonso
3. Sebastian Vettel
4. Kimi Raikkonen
5. Nico Rosberg
6. Robert Kubica
7. Massa
8. Romain Grosjean
9. Mark Webber
10.Nick Heidfeld
11.Timo Glock
12.Jarno Trulli
11.Jaime Alguersuari
12.Rubens Barichello
13.Heikki Kovalainen
14.Sebastien Buemi
15.Rubens Barichello
16.Giancarlo Fisichella
17.Heikki Kovalainen
18.Button
19.Kazuki Nakajima
20.Adrian Sutil
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Posted 20 August 2009 - 12:10 AM

Fernando Alonso
Sebastian Vettel
Lewis Hamilton
Mark Webber
Felipe Massa
Kimi Räikkönen
Jenson Button
Nico Rosberg
Nick Heidfeld
Rubens Barrichello
Robert Kubica
Jarno Trulli
Heikki Kovalainen
Timo Glock
Adrian Sutil
Giancarlo Fisichella
Sebastien Buemi
Kazuki Nakajima

I won't opiniate neither on Jaime nor Grosjean, cus I haven't seen enough to do so. Obviously I tried to be impartial (or Seb would be on top), but well, I said 'tried to'...
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Posted 20 August 2009 - 02:51 AM

View PostKati, on 20 August 2009 - 12:10 AM, said:

Fernando Alonso
Sebastian Vettel
Lewis Hamilton
Mark Webber
Felipe Massa
Kimi Räikkönen
Jenson Button
Nico Rosberg
Nick Heidfeld
Rubens Barrichello
Robert Kubica
Jarno Trulli
Heikki Kovalainen
Timo Glock
Adrian Sutil
Giancarlo Fisichella
Sebastien Buemi
Kazuki Nakajima

I won't opiniate neither on Jaime nor Grosjean, cus I haven't seen enough to do so. Obviously I tried to be impartial (or Seb would be on top), but well, I said 'tried to'...


Didn't try too hard, or Rubens Heidfeld and Hamilton would never be ahead of Robert. Not to mention Button behind Kimi. Geeze, woman, I didn't know South America was on another planet...
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Posted 20 August 2009 - 06:33 AM

Driver rankings are poinltess because they are subjective and difficult to qualify. Far better to rank the driver and car combination. Oh, hang on, they did it already with the current drivers points standings.
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Posted 20 August 2009 - 11:08 AM

Yes; lists don't necessarily mean anything.  But with this summer vacation that Bernie scheduled for the 2009 season we need to stimulate our brains so I like pato's idea.  As dribbler aptly pointed out, we can readily view the points standings if we wish to rank the current driver & car combination so I will take this instead as representing my somewhat subjective opinion of a driver's innate ability regardless of the equipment he happens to be driving this year.



  • Fernando A.
  • Sebastian V.
  • Lewis H.
  • Kimi R.
  • Felipe M.
  • Mark W.
  • Robert K.
  • Nico R.
  • Jensen B.
  • Timo G.
...and then there's the rest.  Is it time for qualifying in Valencia yet?


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Posted 20 August 2009 - 02:52 PM

View PostPato, on 19 August 2009 - 05:22 PM, said:

19. Romain Grosjean (accident prone in GP2, don't know what to expect of him)

Err, obviously you haven't seen much of GP2 this year.

1. Massa
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel
4. Webber
5. Button
6. Alonso
7. Kubica
8. Glock
9. Raikkonen
10. Barrichello.
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Posted 20 August 2009 - 06:33 PM

View PostQuiet One, on 19 August 2009 - 05:32 PM, said:

1.- Fernando Alonso.
2 to 20.- Who cares?

(lists are boring if there is no explanation on why you ranked the drivers that way...just my humble opinion)

you didn't say why you rank Alonso that high and we don't need to hear about that, we know you just don't need a reason but we also know that you need a reason to rank the rest of the drivers :naughty:

Edited by Schumikonen, 20 August 2009 - 06:34 PM.

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Kimi Raikkonen: It is the same thing that I said before. I have no interest in driving for a bad team next year. If I race here, I always try to finish as high as I can. I don't need anything to motivate me. If I drive, I drive to do my best and that is it.
jemstride:
"I get the feeling that Alonso fans tend to heap over-praise on Alonso and bring down Kimi whenever they can, with mere theories and unjustified statements."
I just always end up disagreeing with you guys because of all the huge exaggerations, myths, theories & unjustified statements
Lewis Hamilton:
I never go with expectations, I go with a target. That is to be at the front, and the ultimate aim to win, which is the mentality I have always gone racing with.
You've got to be on the limit all the time - and I love that, because that's how I love to race.

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 06:37 PM

View PostKati, on 20 August 2009 - 12:10 AM, said:

Fernando Alonso
Sebastian Vettel
Lewis Hamilton
Mark Webber
Felipe Massa
Kimi Räikkönen
Jenson Button
Nico Rosberg
Nick Heidfeld
Rubens Barrichello
Robert Kubica
Jarno Trulli
Heikki Kovalainen
Timo Glock
Adrian Sutil
Giancarlo Fisichella
Sebastien Buemi
Kazuki Nakajima

I won't opiniate neither on Jaime nor Grosjean, cus I haven't seen enough to do so. Obviously I tried to be impartial (or Seb would be on top), but well, I said 'tried to'...

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Kimi Raikkonen: It is the same thing that I said before. I have no interest in driving for a bad team next year. If I race here, I always try to finish as high as I can. I don't need anything to motivate me. If I drive, I drive to do my best and that is it.
jemstride:
"I get the feeling that Alonso fans tend to heap over-praise on Alonso and bring down Kimi whenever they can, with mere theories and unjustified statements."
I just always end up disagreeing with you guys because of all the huge exaggerations, myths, theories & unjustified statements
Lewis Hamilton:
I never go with expectations, I go with a target. That is to be at the front, and the ultimate aim to win, which is the mentality I have always gone racing with.
You've got to be on the limit all the time - and I love that, because that's how I love to race.

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 06:45 PM

View PostAleHop, on 19 August 2009 - 08:36 PM, said:

I like your list.

I never understood those long list with more than one item. Posted Image

I thought that having more than one item it would made it a list although every list will have to start with a first item and it is still a list from the beggining and maybe if you delete or erase the fisrt and only item from it, it will still be a list because you are working a list and you had a list in mind and you will have a list and at the end you will have a list with as many item as you want to include in that list like and you can see here how everyone made their list which it was suppose to include all drivers but some people just inlcude some of them, so I don't know what is a list and that makes pointless everything I said here but One thing is not pointless and is that I am not posting any list because I don't want to include Alonso in it, I'll wait until he is retired.
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Kimi Raikkonen: It is the same thing that I said before. I have no interest in driving for a bad team next year. If I race here, I always try to finish as high as I can. I don't need anything to motivate me. If I drive, I drive to do my best and that is it.
jemstride:
"I get the feeling that Alonso fans tend to heap over-praise on Alonso and bring down Kimi whenever they can, with mere theories and unjustified statements."
I just always end up disagreeing with you guys because of all the huge exaggerations, myths, theories & unjustified statements
Lewis Hamilton:
I never go with expectations, I go with a target. That is to be at the front, and the ultimate aim to win, which is the mentality I have always gone racing with.
You've got to be on the limit all the time - and I love that, because that's how I love to race.

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 07:40 PM

View PostSchumikonen, on 20 August 2009 - 06:45 PM, said:

I thought that having more than one item it would made it a list although every list will have to start with a first item and it is still a list from the beggining and maybe if you delete or erase the fisrt and only item from it, it will still be a list because you are working a list and you had a list in mind and you will have a list and at the end you will have a list with as many item as you want to include in that list like and you can see here how everyone made their list which it was suppose to include all drivers but some people just inlcude some of them, so I don't know what is a list and that makes pointless everything I said here but One thing is not pointless and is that I am not posting any list because I don't want to include Alonso in it, I'll wait until he is retired.
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In that case we don't need a list. Posted Image

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Posted 20 August 2009 - 07:47 PM

View PostPiotr, on 20 August 2009 - 02:51 AM, said:

Didn't try too hard, or Rubens Heidfeld and Hamilton would never be ahead of Robert. Not to mention Button behind Kimi. Geeze, woman, I didn't know South America was on another planet...


well that was cus lewis, rubens and nick ARE better than robert. and jenson is not that impressive, let's go back to past years when he didn't have the best car on the grid. people seem to forget all the other yrs jens raced, just because he is winning now.

as for fernando, im not his fan, and i don't even like him, but still, he is doing miracles in that sh***y car he's got. oh yes because a driver must impress me either in a good car AND a bad car. being the best in a brawn / red bull seems easy this season, like in a mclaren / ferrari has been in past years.

just so u know, nick is still ahead of robert in wdc ;) it's not because he won a race in which lewis played bowling with all the competitive cars on pitlane that he's gon go up in my list, maybe on urs, not mine. and no, nick is not the best driver in the world, but sorry robert isn't any better. ;)

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View PostKati, on 20 August 2009 - 07:47 PM, said:

just so u know, nick is still ahead of robert in wdc Posted Image it's not because he won a race in which lewis played bowling with all the competitive cars on pitlane that he's gon go up in my list, maybe on urs, not mine. and no, nick is not the best driver in the world, but sorry robert isn't any better. Posted Image

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 01:08 AM

Used colors to divide the drivers in tiers.

1. Fernando Alonso
2. Sebastian Vettel
3. Lewis Hamilton
4. Felipe Massa
5. Kimi Raikkonen
6. Nico Rosberg
7. Robert Kubica
8. Jenson Button
9. Rubens Barrichello
10. Mark Webber
11. Timo Glock
12. Nick Heidfeld
13. Sebastien Buemi
14. Adrian Sutil
15. Jarno Trulli
16. Giancarlo Fisichella
17. Heikki Kovalainen
18. Sebastien Bourdais
19. Nelsinho Piquet
20. Kazuki Nakajima

Unranked:

Jaime Alguersuari
Romain Grosjean

Edited by Ayrton Senna, 21 August 2009 - 02:31 AM.

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Then suddenly something just kicked me. I kind of woke up and realised that I was in a different atmosphere than what we normally are. My immediate reaction was to back off, slow down. I drove slowly back to the pits and I didn't want to go out any more that day. It frightened me because I was well beyond my conscious understanding." - Ayrton Senna, about the 1988 Monaco GP qualifying

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 06:10 AM

View PostAyrton Senna, on 21 August 2009 - 01:08 AM, said:

Used colors to divide the drivers in tiers.

1. Fernando Alonso
2. Sebastian Vettel
3. Lewis Hamilton
4. Felipe Massa
5. Kimi Raikkonen
6. Nico Rosberg
7. Robert Kubica
8. Jenson Button
9. Rubens Barrichello
10. Mark Webber
11. Timo Glock
12. Nick Heidfeld
13. Sebastien Buemi
14. Adrian Sutil
15. Jarno Trulli
16. Giancarlo Fisichella
17. Heikki Kovalainen
18. Sebastien Bourdais
19. Nelsinho Piquet
20. Kazuki Nakajima

Unranked:

Jaime Alguersuari
Romain Grosjean


That was real pretty. Surely though Piquet Jr is the only one in tiers?
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 02:19 PM

Kimi
Alonso
Kubica
Vettel

The rest are unproven or whatever-the-fck-else... although I wish many of them well and cheer them on.
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Posted 21 August 2009 - 02:38 PM

View PostSchumikonen, on 20 August 2009 - 06:33 PM, said:

you didn't say why you rank Alonso that high and we don't need to hear about that, we know you just don't need a reason but we also know that you need a reason to rank the rest of the drivers :naughty:

I will help them out.

For having a crappy team mate, and a near empty fuel tank for making it to q3, and comitting pit blunders to save his face. :naughty:

Edited by abbas_gear, 21 August 2009 - 02:39 PM.

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Posted 21 August 2009 - 05:21 PM

Wank the current drivers?

No thanks, not unless Danica joins the fray :)

Edited by meanioni, 21 August 2009 - 05:22 PM.

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Posted 24 August 2009 - 07:19 AM

1. Fernando Alonso
2. Lewis Hamilton
3. Kimi Raikonnen
4. Jenson Button
5. Sebastian Vettel
6. Rubens Barrichello
7. Mark Webber
8. Robert Kubica
9. Nico Rosberg
10. Nick Heidfeld
11. Timo Glock
12. Heikki Kovalainen
13. Jarno Trulli
14. Romain Grosjean
15. Adrian Sutil
16. Giancarlo Fisichella
17. Jaime Alguersuari
18. Sebastien Buemi
19. Kazuki Nakajima
20. Luca Badoer (currently don't rate him)
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Posted 24 August 2009 - 09:40 AM

View Postmikathegreat2, on 24 August 2009 - 07:19 AM, said:

1. Fernando Alonso
2. Lewis Hamilton
3. Kimi Raikonnen
4. Jenson Button
5. Sebastian Vettel
6. Rubens Barrichello
7. Mark Webber
8. Robert Kubica
9. Nico Rosberg
10. Nick Heidfeld
11. Timo Glock
12. Heikki Kovalainen
13. Jarno Trulli
14. Romain Grosjean
15. Adrian Sutil
16. Giancarlo Fisichella
17. Jaime Alguersuari
18. Sebastien Buemi
19. Kazuki Nakajima
20. Luca Badoer (currently don't rate him)

Nando above Lewis? bbbut...
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