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[tifosi too!]

What do you think is the next step for Kimi?

[mikathegreat2]

WRC!!

[JHS]

The favourite must be for him to go to McLaren.

[lewisthegreat2]

I'm equally arsed about Kimi's future as he is: not very.

He'll probably stay in F1 and waste a seat that could belong to someone I like, because F1 should be the 26 drivers that I like the most, not the 26 best in the world.

[elgo]

SILVER ICEMAN IS BACK!!!!!!!!!

[Quiet One]

He will be paid to leave Macca in a couple of years. I'd say it's a very profitable career he has already.

[Silas Talbot]

Quiet One, on 30 September 2009 - 07:43 PM, said:

He will be paid to leave Macca in a couple of years. I'd say it's a very profitable career he has already.

I concur. Kimi in F1 for another two years, heading to WRC in 2012.

It's probably not going to be so decisive, but just imagine the fallout if Kimi gets in that silver car and starts trouncing Hammy. Lewis would probably go mad with rage.

Edited by Silas Talbot, 30 September 2009 - 07:50 PM.

[Rainmaster]

The next step is a sideways one, as Kimi will be drunk after celebrating a move back to Mclaren.

[lewisthegreat2]

Much has been made recently of the returns of elgo, Maure, Michael Schumacher, Girl Racer, Seasonalkittycat, and more, but I have to say the long-awaited return of Silas Talbot is one I was eagerly waiting for.  I checked his personal profile every 3 minutes to see if he had logged in.

Okay, so I didn't actually do that, but I really am glad you're back.

[AleHop]

I think Raikkonen could be the man to beat next year if he goes to McLaren. He has the speed and he will have a winner car there.

[Silas Talbot]

lewisthegreat2, on 30 September 2009 - 07:56 PM, said:

Much has been made recently of the returns of elgo, Maure, Michael Schumacher, Girl Racer, Seasonalkittycat, and more, but I have to say the long-awaited return of Silas Talbot is one I was eagerly waiting for.  I checked his personal profile every 3 minutes to see if he had logged in.

Okay, so I didn't actually do that, but I really am glad you're back.

Too kind Eric! It's good to see you too.

[Jean Todt]

Silas Talbot, on 30 September 2009 - 08:15 PM, said:

Too kind Eric! It's good to see you too.

He is not Eric.

[Jean Todt]

Quiet One, on 30 September 2009 - 07:43 PM, said:

He will be paid to leave Macca in a couple of years. I'd say it's a very profitable career he has already.

[Rainmaster]

I hope Kimi's the man to beat, he has the speed, but Hamilton can be awfully consistent when he wants to be. It'll be fun.

[lewisthegreat2]

If Kimi finishes higher than fifth in the WDC next year, I'll drink a bottle of water.  That's how confident I am.

[lewisthegreat2]

abbas_gear, on 30 September 2009 - 09:05 PM, said:

He is not Eric.

Yes I am.  Just ask any of the mods/admins.  My IP has 8,000,000,001 accounts registered to it, so I'm clearly Eric .

[AleHop]

lewisthegreat2, on 30 September 2009 - 09:39 PM, said:

If Kimi finishes higher than fifth in the WDC next year, I'll drink a bottle of water.  That's how confident I am.

Sparkling or still?

[Rainmaster]

lewisthegreat2, on 30 September 2009 - 09:39 PM, said:

If Kimi finishes higher than fifth in the WDC next year, I'll drink a bottle of water.  That's how confident I am.

I'm gonna enjoy watching you drink that water (wait, does that make me a paedophile?). Anyway, if Kimi does go to Mclaren I don't see him being that far behind Lewis.

For Brad and all other believers:

"It's fair to say that Raikkonen andFerrari has not been a marriage made in heaven. Sure, he delivered that2007 world title thanks to Lewis Hamilton's own goal in the final tworaces of that campaign, but beyond that there has been little of thesparkle that some had hoped.Perhaps Raikkonen enjoyed a little toomuch the freedom he was given by escaping from the realms of RonDennis, for he never seemed to deliver the hard work ethic that was ahallmark of the Schumacher-era at Ferrari.

Raikkonen has always been simply aboutflat out attack and give him a sniff of a victory and he will give hisall. Yet on days when the car was not up to the job, you could beforgiven for thinking that Raikkonen could hardly be bothered to turnup at the race track.

With the big bucks rolling in, andFerrari happy to see Felipe Massa become de facto team leader for atime, there was little evidence that Raikkonen wanted to ensure it washim who the whole team would be based around. And when Ferrari madeclear it wanted to end Raikkonen's contract early, so the situationdeteriorated further.

Yet for all Raikkonen's foibles infailing to make enough of an effort sometimes, and team insiders citehis lack of leadership qualities as his biggest weakness, he can alsobe a hugely stubborn personality at times. And there probably is nocoincidence that when Massa was forced out of the c#ckpit after theevents of Hungary, Raikkonen stepped up his game to prove a point.

A run of podium finishes plus a brilliantvictory at the Belgian Grand Prix showed that the Raikkonen of old wasback on the track, and even inside the team they admitted seeing adifferent man.One team insider suggested that, lookingat the data, Raikkonen has once again been doing things in the c#ckpitof a very difficult car that they can hardly believe. He is goingbeyond what, theoretically, the F60 would be capable of in normal handsas though the Finn's last great act of defiance is to prove to hisformer bosses that they were wrong.

And that is exactly the sort of attitudethat he will likely take with him to McLaren. The Woking-based teamwill take him back with open arms and none of the hangover from hisprevious period will be there now that Ron Dennis has switched hisfocus to the automotive industry.

Raikkonen will show McLaren, and indeedLewis Hamilton, exactly why he not Alonso was once regarded as the realdeal on track. And he would like nothing more than rocking up onSundays and blowing Alonso into the weeds.

The 2010 season is still five months away, but already the excitement is mounting."

The ice age is approaching Eric, wrap up warm

[Jean Todt]

lewisthegreat2, on 30 September 2009 - 09:41 PM, said:

Yes I am.  Just ask any of the mods/admins.  My IP has 8,000,000,001 accounts registered to it, so I'm clearly Eric .

that ip adress sounds spanish...so it has to be Alehop's...

Edited by abbas_gear, 30 September 2009 - 10:46 PM.

[tifosi too!]

El Maestro, on 30 September 2009 - 10:14 PM, said:

A run of podium finishes plus a brilliantvictory at the Belgian Grand Prix showed that the Raikkonen of old wasback on the track, and even inside the team they admitted seeing adifferent man.One team insider suggested that, lookingat the data, Raikkonen has once again been doing things in the c#ckpitof a very difficult car that they can hardly believe. He is goingbeyond what, theoretically, the F60 would be capable of in normal handsas though the Finn's last great act of defiance is to prove to hisformer bosses that they were wrong.

And that is exactly the sort of attitudethat he will likely take with him to McLaren. The Woking-based teamwill take him back with open arms and none of the hangover from hisprevious period will be there now that Ron Dennis has switched hisfocus to the automotive industry.

Raikkonen will show McLaren, and indeedLewis Hamilton, exactly why he not Alonso was once regarded as the realdeal on track. And he would like nothing more than rocking up onSundays and blowing Alonso into the weeds.

The guy who wrote this sure knows a thing or two about weeds!!

[Quiet One]

IF...Macca and Ferrari both deliver cars to fight up front
IF...the new regulations, interpretations and fiction based on 2010 rules allow for certain degree of overtaking and/or on-track actual fight
IF...no stupid BS that ends in "-gate" shows up
IF...the stewards decide to find a more consistent way of enforcing the ruls without forcing the results

THEN...

- We will have 3, maybe 4 awfully good drivers (Massa was beiong surprisingly good, but we need to see what Massa we get back after this)
- IMHO: Lewis > Kimi, but barely so. Nando > Massa (of course, but he will be the newbie and Massa the veteran there, so very close too)
- Motivated Kimi > Regular Lewis
- If Lewis lowers his error margins then Lewis > Kimi.
- Motivated Alonso > Massa can crash some time to try to keep his seat
- If Flavio and Renault were really the reason Alonso has been so nice this season then probably Massa > Alonso (Ferrari is no Renault)
- If all 4 are motivated and more or less comfy...then wow...and I mean WOW. No, I don't mean WOW, the game, but wow, as in WOW! Get it?
- Kimi and Massa are fast. Lewis and Nando are fierce. Technically Ferrari has the edge with their line-up. In pure speed, Macca has the edge.
- Regarding intra team harmony, theoretically Macca has the edge. Regarding intra team winning attitude, Ferrari has the edge.
- I hope Kubica goes to Renault, I would sign Timo, too. I don't want Button nor Trulli, thanks.
- Salma and Cameron are mine.
- Any questions?

[Schumikonen]

JHS, on 30 September 2009 - 07:33 PM, said:

The favourite must be for him to go to McLaren.

I like your answer

lewisthegreat2, on 30 September 2009 - 07:38 PM, said:

I'm equally arsed about Kimi's future as he is: not very.

He'll probably stay in F1 and waste a seat that could belong to someone I like, because F1 should be the 26 drivers that I like the most, not the 26 best in the world.

I don't like your answer

El Maestro, on 30 September 2009 - 10:14 PM, said:

I'm gonna enjoy watching you drink that water (wait, does that make me a paedophile?). Anyway, if Kimi does go to Mclaren I don't see him being that far behind Lewis.

For Brad and all other believers:

"It's fair to say that Raikkonen andFerrari has not been a marriage made in heaven. Sure, he delivered that2007 world title thanks to Lewis Hamilton's own goal in the final tworaces of that campaign, but beyond that there has been little of thesparkle that some had hoped.Perhaps Raikkonen enjoyed a little toomuch the freedom he was given by escaping from the realms of RonDennis, for he never seemed to deliver the hard work ethic that was ahallmark of the Schumacher-era at Ferrari.

Raikkonen has always been simply aboutflat out attack and give him a sniff of a victory and he will give hisall. Yet on days when the car was not up to the job, you could beforgiven for thinking that Raikkonen could hardly be bothered to turnup at the race track.

With the big bucks rolling in, andFerrari happy to see Felipe Massa become de facto team leader for atime, there was little evidence that Raikkonen wanted to ensure it washim who the whole team would be based around. And when Ferrari madeclear it wanted to end Raikkonen's contract early, so the situationdeteriorated further.

Yet for all Raikkonen's foibles infailing to make enough of an effort sometimes, and team insiders citehis lack of leadership qualities as his biggest weakness, he can alsobe a hugely stubborn personality at times. And there probably is nocoincidence that when Massa was forced out of the c#ckpit after theevents of Hungary, Raikkonen stepped up his game to prove a point.

A run of podium finishes plus a brilliantvictory at the Belgian Grand Prix showed that the Raikkonen of old wasback on the track, and even inside the team they admitted seeing adifferent man.One team insider suggested that, lookingat the data, Raikkonen has once again been doing things in the c#ckpitof a very difficult car that they can hardly believe. He is goingbeyond what, theoretically, the F60 would be capable of in normal handsas though the Finn's last great act of defiance is to prove to hisformer bosses that they were wrong.

And that is exactly the sort of attitudethat he will likely take with him to McLaren. The Woking-based teamwill take him back with open arms and none of the hangover from hisprevious period will be there now that Ron Dennis has switched hisfocus to the automotive industry.

Raikkonen will show McLaren, and indeedLewis Hamilton, exactly why he not Alonso was once regarded as the realdeal on track. And he would like nothing more than rocking up onSundays and blowing Alonso into the weeds.

The 2010 season is still five months away, but already the excitement is mounting."

The ice age is approaching Eric, wrap up warm

I can feel it and we are not talking about winter.

[BradSpeedMan]

El Maestro, on 30 September 2009 - 10:14 PM, said:

I'm gonna enjoy watching you drink that water (wait, does that make me a paedophile?). Anyway, if Kimi does go to Mclaren I don't see him being that far behind Lewis.

For Brad and all other believers:

"It's fair to say that Raikkonen andFerrari has not been a marriage made in heaven. Sure, he delivered that2007 world title thanks to Lewis Hamilton's own goal in the final tworaces of that campaign, but beyond that there has been little of thesparkle that some had hoped.Perhaps Raikkonen enjoyed a little toomuch the freedom he was given by escaping from the realms of RonDennis, for he never seemed to deliver the hard work ethic that was ahallmark of the Schumacher-era at Ferrari.

Raikkonen has always been simply aboutflat out attack and give him a sniff of a victory and he will give hisall. Yet on days when the car was not up to the job, you could beforgiven for thinking that Raikkonen could hardly be bothered to turnup at the race track.

With the big bucks rolling in, andFerrari happy to see Felipe Massa become de facto team leader for atime, there was little evidence that Raikkonen wanted to ensure it washim who the whole team would be based around. And when Ferrari madeclear it wanted to end Raikkonen's contract early, so the situationdeteriorated further.

Yet for all Raikkonen's foibles infailing to make enough of an effort sometimes, and team insiders citehis lack of leadership qualities as his biggest weakness, he can alsobe a hugely stubborn personality at times. And there probably is nocoincidence that when Massa was forced out of the c#ckpit after theevents of Hungary, Raikkonen stepped up his game to prove a point.

A run of podium finishes plus a brilliantvictory at the Belgian Grand Prix showed that the Raikkonen of old wasback on the track, and even inside the team they admitted seeing adifferent man.One team insider suggested that, lookingat the data, Raikkonen has once again been doing things in the c#ckpitof a very difficult car that they can hardly believe. He is goingbeyond what, theoretically, the F60 would be capable of in normal handsas though the Finn's last great act of defiance is to prove to hisformer bosses that they were wrong.

And that is exactly the sort of attitudethat he will likely take with him to McLaren. The Woking-based teamwill take him back with open arms and none of the hangover from hisprevious period will be there now that Ron Dennis has switched hisfocus to the automotive industry.

Raikkonen will show McLaren, and indeedLewis Hamilton, exactly why he not Alonso was once regarded as the realdeal on track. And he would like nothing more than rocking up onSundays and blowing Alonso into the weeds.

The 2010 season is still five months away, but already the excitement is mounting."

The ice age is approaching Eric, wrap up warm

I am close to tears writing this my fellow F1 fans. I feel Kimi is really badly treated. I felt for the sake of good ethics on the part of Ferrari, they should have at least seen out his term with them. It's not for nothing that Kimi has expressed his sadness at leaving the ferrari team which he admires so much, his respect for the red team is well-known in the paddock. Sure, the guy lost some motivation last year, but he did make amends for it this year in a rather bad underperforming car. He's won a championship with them. I do not wish the red team well, I hope Massa beats Alonso, I hope that strains bad relationships because I believe like Wapi, Alonso brings trouble wherever he goes. May this point prove me right in the future.

As for Kimi at Mclaren, i hope the move spurs him onto greater things. I hope we Kimi fans see justice...

[BradSpeedMan]

El Maestro, on 30 September 2009 - 10:14 PM, said:

For Brad and all other believers:

forgot to ask you rainmaster....who's the source of the article...

[AleHop]

BradSpeedMan, on 01 October 2009 - 07:13 AM, said:

I feel Kimi is really badly treated.

I had just the same feeling in 2007 about Alonso and McLaren.

[tifosi too!]

BradSpeedMan, on 01 October 2009 - 07:13 AM, said:

I am close to tears writing this my fellow F1 fans. I feel Kimi is really badly treated. I felt for the sake of good ethics on the part of Ferrari, they should have at least seen out his term with them. It's not for nothing that Kimi has expressed his sadness at leaving the ferrari team which he admires so much, his respect for the red team is well-known in the paddock. Sure, the guy lost some motivation last year, but he did make amends for it this year in a rather bad underperforming car. He's won a championship with them. I do not wish the red team well, I hope Massa beats Alonso, I hope that strains bad relationships because I believe like Wapi, Alonso brings trouble wherever he goes. May this point prove me right in the future.

As for Kimi at Mclaren, i hope the move spurs him onto greater things. I hope we Kimi fans see justice...

I don't think that's the case Brad!

F1 is serious business.
Our perception of agreements or ethics does not apply here. Kimi is a part of the F1 world, lives by its principles, even though he does his own thing occasionally.

Is he 'just a driver' that got kicked out of the team, kind of like an employee who never had the time to get his work right and was fired by his evil employer?

The straight answer is a big "NO".
All F1 drivers are multimillionaire athletes and they are paid because of their skills and to get the job done! No one is allowed to "fall asleep" here and the drivers know this.
Do you really think Kimi will be ice-fishing to survive? He buys yachts for fun! He didn't try hard enough and he was no longer considered to be the best driver Ferrari could have.

Right or wrong of Ferrari, we shall see!

[pabloh20]

BradSpeedMan, on 01 October 2009 - 07:13 AM, said:

I am close to tears writing this my fellow F1 fans. I feel Kimi is really badly treated. I felt for the sake of good ethics on the part of Ferrari, they should have at least seen out his term with them. It's not for nothing that Kimi has expressed his sadness at leaving the ferrari team which he admires so much, his respect for the red team is well-known in the paddock. Sure, the guy lost some motivation last year, but he did make amends for it this year in a rather bad underperforming car. He's won a championship with them. I do not wish the red team well, I hope Massa beats Alonso, I hope that strains bad relationships because I believe like Wapi, Alonso brings trouble wherever he goes. May this point prove me right in the future.

As for Kimi at Mclaren, i hope the move spurs him onto greater things. I hope we Kimi fans see justice...

No need, Brad.  Kimi may have liked Ferrari, but I can't see him being too broken up about it, to be honest

He'll easily get a drive at any other team he wants.  Teams will always take a chance with 'rogue personalities' (not that I think Kimi's is) as long as they are fast and can deliver.

If he does go back to McLaren, then I think it will be a very interesting pairing.  I don't think they will have a problem with each other.  Lewis might not like getting beaten by Kimi, but I think he will accept it because there are just no hidden agendas with Kimi, what you see is what you get.  I think Lewis can learn a lot from Kimi, if he wants to, of course.

He's still, overall, my favourite driver in F1 at the moment.  Though I shouldn't tell you that when I want to wind you up about Kimi

Edited by pabloh20, 01 October 2009 - 03:49 PM.

[Schumikonen]

BradSpeedMan, on 01 October 2009 - 07:13 AM, said:

I am close to tears writing this my fellow F1 fans. I feel Kimi is really badly treated. I felt for the sake of good ethics on the part of Ferrari, they should have at least seen out his term with them. It's not for nothing that Kimi has expressed his sadness at leaving the ferrari team which he admires so much, his respect for the red team is well-known in the paddock. Sure, the guy lost some motivation last year, but he did make amends for it this year in a rather bad underperforming car. He's won a championship with them. I do not wish the red team well, I hope Massa beats Alonso, I hope that strains bad relationships because I believe like Wapi, Alonso brings trouble wherever he goes. May this point prove me right in the future.

As for Kimi at Mclaren, i hope the move spurs him onto greater things. I hope we Kimi fans see justice...

I was waiting to hear from you about this and I am not dissapointed, let me say that once again your words are my words and I agree with everything in this post.

[Schumikonen]

tifosi too!, on 01 October 2009 - 08:41 AM, said:

I don't think that's the case Brad!

F1 is serious business.
Our perception of agreements or ethics does not apply here. Kimi is a part of the F1 world, lives by its principles, even though he does his own thing occasionally.

Is he 'just a driver' that got kicked out of the team, kind of like an employee who never had the time to get his work right and was fired by his evil employer?

The straight answer is a big "NO".
All F1 drivers are multimillionaire athletes and they are paid because of their skills and to get the job done! No one is allowed to "fall asleep" here and the drivers know this.
Do you really think Kimi will be ice-fishing to survive? He buys yachts for fun! He didn't try hard enough and he was no longer considered to be the best driver Ferrari could have.

Right or wrong of Ferrari, we shall see!

I think Santander money has a lot more to do with this, than thinking that Alonso is a better driver than Kimi.

[Grabthaw the Hammerslayer]

....and I care, why?