Quiet One 15 Report post Posted May 17, 2011 I very much agree with you but that bolded part is indeed a big difference. Yes it is. That is why I pointed it. This is not the same as with the mass dampers at all in that respect. But still, let's assume that <insert your favorite team here> wins the championship, that they achieved that thanks to a lot of effort, divers racing their wheelnuts off, etc. You will still feel somewhere inside you that such thing could not have happened if the blown diffussers hadn't hut RBRs chances so much (again, assuming that RBR will be really affected by this) We all knew about the blown diffusers. FIA had plenty of time to analyze them and had al the data about them since last year. Even if only this year they become so unbalancing they could have changed the rules starting next year. A sudden change of rules without notice does not sound like a step towards fairness, even if it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caesar 0 Report post Posted May 17, 2011 Yes it is. That is why I pointed it. This is not the same as with the mass dampers at all in that respect. But still, let's assume that <insert your favorite team here> wins the championship, that they achieved that thanks to a lot of effort, divers racing their wheelnuts off, etc. You will still feel somewhere inside you that such thing could not have happened if the blown diffussers hadn't hut RBRs chances so much (again, assuming that RBR will be really affected by this) We all knew about the blown diffusers. FIA had plenty of time to analyze them and had al the data about them since last year. Even if only this year they become so unbalancing they could have changed the rules starting next year. A sudden change of rules without notice does not sound like a step towards fairness, even if it is. blown diffussers are not banned, just engine maps which were used for constant exhaust gas blow on diffusser during quali.maybe RBR will not have 1 sec advantage in Q3 anymore, but they will manage it with what is left, only 0.5 sec advantage on their rivals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted May 17, 2011 http://www.totalf1.com/full_story/view/377263/Confusion_over_diffuser_rules/ Apparently they won't enforce this rule until after Spain. Now, I don't think that's good. If the blown diffusers (or the engine maps, as pointed by Casar) are considered bad enough to be banned then they should be banned right away, and not after some time. This way they are giving RBR an unfair advantage with a device they know must be banned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted May 17, 2011 http://www.totalf1.c...diffuser_rules/ Apparently they won't enforce this rule until after Spain. Now, I don't think that's good. If the blown diffusers (or the engine maps, as pointed by Casar) are considered bad enough to be banned then they should be banned right away, and not after some time. This way they are giving RBR an unfair advantage with a device they know must be banned. Naturally! Well, at least you are making up for the lack of posters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted May 17, 2011 Naturally! Well, at least you are making up for the lack of posters I have no idea what made you write that. And you should stop whining so much. I don't think it matters whether they are banned or not. Teams and drivers should cope up with whatever they are thrown at. FFS let them race! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted May 17, 2011 I have no idea what made you write that. And you should stop whining so much. I don't think it matters whether they are banned or not. Teams and drivers should cope up with whatever they are thrown at. FFS let them race! ..and the pattern is complete! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caesar 0 Report post Posted May 18, 2011 http://www.totalf1.c...diffuser_rules/ Apparently they won't enforce this rule until after Spain. Now, I don't think that's good. If the blown diffusers (or the engine maps, as pointed by Casar) are considered bad enough to be banned then they should be banned right away, and not after some time. This way they are giving RBR an unfair advantage with a device they know must be banned. well,FIA will let them pollute Earth for 2-3 more weeks,let the boys to have a blowout, and after that ban it and save the world from bad,bad gases Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HandyNZL 1 Report post Posted May 18, 2011 Yeah, because a 5'9", 58kg southpaw like Adrian Sutil can do grievous bodily harm... It's quite sad that some people in the world consider sueing as the first option. Man up. Get hard. No harm, no foul. Move on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AleHop 0 Report post Posted May 18, 2011 Yes it is. That is why I pointed it. This is not the same as with the mass dampers at all in that respect. But still, let's assume that <insert your favorite team here> wins the championship, that they achieved that thanks to a lot of effort, divers racing their wheelnuts off, etc. You will still feel somewhere inside you that such thing could not have happened if the blown diffussers hadn't hut RBRs chances so much (again, assuming that RBR will be really affected by this) We all knew about the blown diffusers. FIA had plenty of time to analyze them and had al the data about them since last year. Even if only this year they become so unbalancing they could have changed the rules starting next year. A sudden change of rules without notice does not sound like a step towards fairness, even if it is. I agree again. Absolutely agree again. If FIA change the rules during the championship, even more when they knew about those engine maps since last year, it's a complete disgrace and you always wonder if they've changed the rules to balance out the championship or what? http://www.totalf1.c...diffuser_rules/ Apparently they won't enforce this rule until after Spain. Now, I don't think that's good. If the blown diffusers (or the engine maps, as pointed by Casar) are considered bad enough to be banned then they should be banned right away, and not after some time. This way they are giving RBR an unfair advantage with a device they know must be banned. Using the engine (mapping) to control how aerodynamic devices perform is considered a moveable aerodynamic device so it's banned according to Technical Regulations art. 15 blah, blah, blah... Are they serious? What about flexi wings? FFS!!! They can ban an engine mapping straight away and do nothing about moveable aero devices for the naked eye? Does that make sense? They picked a set of rules for 2011 and they should keep them until 2012. FFS!!! Having said that, I would like to stay calm buuut... If the FIA sent a letter, or any other official or non official communication to the teams, stating it would be banned in Spain and now they change their minds again to keep it one more race it's completely nuts and reminds me why I hate them to the core. FFS!!! We will know soon what happened and what's going on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4 Report post Posted May 18, 2011 Naturally! Well, at least you are making up for the lack of posters Ah... Ok, does this help? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4 Report post Posted May 18, 2011 constant exhaust gas blow is probably used only in qualy cause engine would suffer too much so RBR's race pace is still at the same level I used to suffer from that, you can get tablets for it these days..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4 Report post Posted May 18, 2011 On a serious note (for once)... Should blown diffusers be banned? 1) FIA tinkering with rules (again) and being inconsistent (again) 2) Blown diffusers good example of innovation (which F1 is good at and FIA good at banning) 3) On the other hand, looks like the WDC and WCC is sewn (already) and the prospect of Vettel shooting off every race is not good (have to be careful here as when Steph sees "blown exhaust" and "Vettel shooting off" she will think its a new type of porn/F1 cross-over....) 5) Where's 4? 4) Oh there it is.... 6) I think fundamentally there are two things in opposition here - one is innovation which is in F1's DNA, the other is a racing spectacle - which FIA/Bernie is trying hard to (micro)-manage. This year, for me has been infinitely better than last year - where I switched off after race 3. Even with the flappy rear wing boost jobby - if I were watching F1 and knew nothing about the tech, I would find the level of overtaking more interesting. They engineered a problem with very restrictive rules; overcame that problem with more rules opening up some areas and now have encountered another problem where teams have bent the rules again. Long term there is a risk of this being a standard spec series (which Graham loves) as they are forced to ban/create new rules... I don't really know what the answer is, long term. I just hope they (FIA) apply rules intelligently, allowing a balance of innovation and racing spectacle..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HandyNZL 1 Report post Posted May 18, 2011 Steph is blowing her own exhaust at present....don't think she's too bothered about other exhausts concurrently, good Sir. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted May 18, 2011 This is cool. That is all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AleHop 0 Report post Posted May 18, 2011 This is cool. That is all. You mean that is old, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted May 18, 2011 It's new to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caesar 0 Report post Posted May 18, 2011 this is even older. funny how f1 was popular in USA. whole TV cover of the race with one camera,maybe two.link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grabthaw the Hammerslayer 4 Report post Posted May 19, 2011 This is cool. That is all. Like to see him try that on drums Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted May 24, 2011 Well, finally it seems that reprimands will have some weight. This was discussed a while back on this forum by me and a couple of others I think. It seems a sensible idea. http://adamcooperf1....grid-penalties/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yurp 0 Report post Posted May 25, 2011 Well, finally it seems that reprimands will have some weight. This was discussed a while back on this forum by me and a couple of others I think. It seems a sensible idea. http://adamcooperf1....grid-penalties/ A step in the right direction. But why must F1 punishments always be chunky? Why always 5 grid places/25 second time addition/drive through etc etc? Why not just hand out a 1 place grid drop for every non-driving reprimand and a 2 place grid drop for every driving reprimand - immediate and proportional. With the suggested system I can see every driver making use of their 2 'free' reprimands during the season. Better than before, but still not the most sensible solution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted May 27, 2011 And what do you think we are? Chopped liver? http://www.totalf1.com/full_story/view/379041/FOTA_planning_more_fan_forums/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewisthegreat2 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2011 If they want my fan input...get rid of all these silly alphabet soup organizations and give all the power to H.A. "Humpy" Wheeler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted May 29, 2011 Friday in F1 delivered the Lotus verdict (basically, nothing really changed): http://en.espnf1.com...tml?CMP=OTC-RSS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted May 31, 2011 This is a summary of the whole News Corp bid (remember that), which is yet to materialise: http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/50327.html?CMP=OTC-RSS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
