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Isn't it annoying the secrecy they surround everything with?

Whiting says today, India circuit and GP preparations exceeded our expectations following our inspection... Can't they, wouldn't it be nice to send/join a few pics so we can see something? So we can judge by ourselves where they're at?

Are you a qualified Project Manager/Surveyor?

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http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns23528.html

Would be easy to get teary eyed, or angry that money talks. But Rubens has had a long career. I would have been narked had he been booted for the start of this year, but I feel it's right for him to go now.

He only gets in the way of Schumacher when trying to go past pitwalls. Then there's that stupid bloody dance and the toy throwing. Come to think of it - go, you petulant, bald little man. We have to put up with one of those around here already.

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http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns23528.html

Would be easy to get teary eyed, or angry that money talks. But Rubens has had a long career. I would have been narked had he been booted for the start of this year, but I feel it's right for him to go now.

He only gets in the way of Schumacher when trying to go past pitwalls. Then there's that stupid bloody dance and the toy throwing. Come to think of it - go, you petulant, bald little man. We have to put up with one of those around here already.

Har, har! Wait...

Seriously, with the whole cost cutting excuse it feels that they are always spending as much, just in a lot less eficcient way. With ultra limited testing and bulls##t like that, we will end up having two types of drivers:

1) Newbies, completely untested drivers which will be shown 5 minutes before the parade lap which button does what.

2) Trulli.

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Har, har! Wait...

Seriously, with the whole cost cutting excuse it feels that they are always spending as much, just in a lot less eficcient way. With ultra limited testing and bulls##t like that, we will end up having two types of drivers:

1) Newbies, completely untested drivers which will be shown 5 minutes before the parade lap which button does what.

2) Trulli.

A scary thought. I only hope testing returns.

It may be a dangerous precedent that Williams are about to set; two pay drivers. They must be gambling on the risk of the perception it creates to good drivers who may be attracted to Williams, versus the commercial benefits of the money, the success it may buy them and the new deal with Renault.

I hope in say, three years from now they are back in a position where they can drop these pay ponces, show they have a good car and attract the calibre of driver who will return them to winning ways. We'll see.

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A scary thought. I only hope testing returns.

It may be a dangerous precedent that Williams are about to set; two pay drivers. They must be gambling on the risk of the perception it creates to good drivers who may be attracted to Williams, versus the commercial benefits of the money, the success it may buy them and the new deal with Renault.

I hope in say, three years from now they are back in a position where they can drop these pay ponces, show they have a good car and attract the calibre of driver who will return them to winning ways. We'll see.

I think that the problem is not about the drivers, but about the teams and cars. Teams have no real money to keep a competitive pace except for the top three. All others have to choose between some middle term investment from small investors and very short term, results-based sponsorship from the big investors. That's never enough to develop a car through the years so they end up delivering more or less crappy cars, with very slim chances of catching up with the top three, thus falling in a vicious circle of crappiness.

Pay drivers are as good or bad as anybody else. Petrov, Perez, Maldonado and (hopefully!) Senna are as good as any other midfield driver. The problem is that they barely get chances to get into actually competitive cars to show they can deliver at least as much as a Massa, or even a Webber. Grosjean is currently among the top drivers outside F1, yet he got his arse royally kicked in F1. With a couple of years he could have been the next Vettel, who knows?

Newbies come to crappy teams, with no test and have 6 months at best to challenge for a podium or be fired for the next pay driver. Barely the best strategy to get the top of the crop of the new generation.

And even with the pay drivers, the teams still struggle to stay in business. So, in the end you get drivers who cannot show their true potential, nor develop it, and teams that are more worried on whether they can pay the team leader's airplane ticket than about making any ambitious project to improve their cars. The fact that we are having a 3-tiers championship unofficially, means that smaller teams are hurt and they have no reallistic chances of making a qualitative jump.

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And even with the pay drivers, the teams still struggle to stay in business. So, in the end you get drivers who cannot show their true potential, nor develop it, and teams that are more worried on whether they can pay the team leader's airplane ticket than about making any ambitious project to improve their cars. The fact that we are having a 3-tiers championship unofficially, means that smaller teams are hurt and they have no reallistic chances of making a qualitative jump.

That's the important bit. And with the various financial pressures on teams these days the possibility of progressing from 3rd to 2nd tier or 2nd to 3rd tier is becoming increasingly unlikely.

It used to be that a great new/young designer and some innovation could give a less wealthy outfit a leg up in the championship. With that came better sponsorship and more money for wages, better drivers and all that that entailed. Over the last decade the status quo seems to have become increasingly entrenched. The fluid nature of F1 team fortunes we used to see (with teams making their way up and down through the formula) has stagnated. Had Force India joined F1 about 5 years earlier, I would think they could have been consistently 4th and mixing it up with the top 3. Now, I don't see that happening. The top three teams suck the oxygen out of the championship (oxygen being money) and soak it up like a sponge. It's not their fault - just the way sponsorship and over-paid drivers (sorry but that is part of the issue) cause things to work.

That and the unfortunate stance taken by the FIA and the most influential teams in FOTA to disallow most innovation that might see a small team pull one over on the top guys (a la Brawn - though that's a somewhat suspect argument).

Think of the innovations that have come to F1 in the past and made a smaller team a force to be reckoned with.

We've seen many teams come and go over the years.

Not that I dislike them particularly, but I'm personally a little tired of seeing McLaren, Red Bull and Ferrari always on top. I suspect they'll be there for a while. (EDIT - of course Ferrari and Macca have been there for a while already)

I truly hope FI and Renault can start to challenge them and that Lotus can make the move into the midfield.

Ramble over.

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Bring back tabaccy sponsorship...ever since it went yonder, me and Shirl ain't known our Luckee Strikes from our Mild Sevenses, y'all...

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http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/267332/vettel-not-a-true-leader-yet-says-domenicali/

You may be right,Stefano. However, to say that there are only 'two leaders' tastes of sour grapes and silliness. Sour grapes because your hairy boy isn't beating Seb and silliness becuase the other 'leader' is being lead by a Britney Spears impressionist.

I understand your sentiment, but you need to get a little more real.

Kubica would have been the other candidate, if the dear boy wasn't so broken.

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http://www.gpupdate....ays-domenicali/

You may be right,Stefano. However, to say that there are only 'two leaders' tastes of sour grapes and silliness. Sour grapes because your hairy boy isn't beating Seb and silliness becuase the other 'leader' is being lead by a Britney Spears impressionist.

I understand your sentiment, but you need to get a little more real.

Kubica would have been the other candidate, if the dear boy wasn't so broken.

he didn't say anything wrong. during 2010 vettel didn't show leadership, just opposite, if there weren't decisions by helmut marko, christian horner and adrian newey he would lost championship. nico rosberg is just like lewis hamilton : if car is good he is winning(well not nico, not yet, maybe in next 4-5 years), if car is bad - see you next year.

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I have to agree with Caesar here, Steve. I don't think he is being derisive towards the rest of the field (Massa does not count ). He is marking a characteristic that other guys do not have. As you mentioned, Kubica is another one of them. I do agree, though, that I am not so sure that these drivers are the only two ones with such characteristic.

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It's probably true enough, but I really don't think Vettel will give a crap when he's lifting the trophy.

While he's in a team with an older team mate, he'll always be thought of as 'junior' by members of other teams and even his own, even if he's way faster than Webber. It's a simple age thing - nothing really to do with experience - though Stefano would deny that.

Thing is, when you have Newey behind the design team and a fairly clued up team leader in Horner, these comments from Stefano will be water off a duck's back throughout the whole RB garage - what do they care - they have a far better combination of team players than Ferrari. Stefano can crow about Alonso's leadership skills, but if he's in a crap car with a crap team mate with a team of designers seemingly unable to improve their drive over the season, then team leadership doesn't count for jack Sh#t.

Stefano's little dig that will have no effect. Vettel's hardly likely to get all wound up about the slur on his leadership skills and bottle the next 5 races in a vain attempt to demonstrate what a leader he actually is - that would be Hamilton's department.

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Whoa! I think that there has been too much anti Vettel hysteria and now theres an overreaction.

LdM was actually recognizing Vettel's virtues. All he did was to remark that Vettel is no actual leader in a team sense (and it is obvious that he is no Alonso or Schumacher in the sense of pushing a team, despite being a winner). That does not deprive him of any worthiness and LdM even adds that, though Vettel does not quite has that characteristic, he is moving forward into that direction. Saying that Vettel is no team leader is like saying that Button is not the fastest driver around, that Webber is not the best starter around, that Alonso is not the best qualy driver around. Like at battle, you can win it with a lousy general but a great army (many of the first Allied wins in WWI were won this way as many of the last WWII won by the Axis), and you can win a battle with a great general but a lousy Army, both paths are equally glorious BTW and its just a matter of taste. Vettel is a good Army and maybe someday will develop into a great General. Lewis is a great Army who could be a great general if he wants to. Button is in between (a good general and a good army but lacking a little bit in both), but IMHO growing into a great General. Massa is a good army, might even become a great army but never a great general. Ditto for Kimi. Alonso is a great general and so forth.

Here you will find a good assessment from a guy who rarely makes good remarks about fellow racers

http://www.forumula1.com/2011/f1/f1-news/alonso-vettel-has-remarkable-qualities/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Forumula1-News+%28Forumula1.net+-+F1+News%29

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Whoa! I think that there has been too much anti Vettel hysteria and now theres an overreaction.

LdM was actually recognizing Vettel's virtues. All he did was to remark that Vettel is no actual leader in a team sense (and it is obvious that he is no Alonso or Schumacher in the sense of pushing a team, despite being a winner). That does not deprive him of any worthiness and LdM even adds that, though Vettel does not quite has that characteristic, he is moving forward into that direction. Saying that Vettel is no team leader is like saying that Button is not the fastest driver around, that Webber is not the best starter around, that Alonso is not the best qualy driver around. Like at battle, you can win it with a lousy general but a great army (many of the first Allied wins in WWI were won this way as many of the last WWII won by the Axis), and you can win a battle with a great general but a lousy Army, both paths are equally glorious BTW and its just a matter of taste. Vettel is a good Army and maybe someday will develop into a great General. Lewis is a great Army who could be a great general if he wants to. Button is in between (a good general and a good army but lacking a little bit in both), but IMHO growing into a great General. Massa is a good army, might even become a great army but never a great general. Ditto for Kimi. Alonso is a great general and so forth.

Here you will find a good assessment from a guy who rarely makes good remarks about fellow racers

http://www.forumula1...et+-+F1+News%29

yeah - and - so - you point is what exactly?

It's a bit of a silly 'trying to make a mountain from a mole hill' kind of article - if that wasn't obvious from my previous post, then I apologise. No - hang on - I don't. That is why I don't think anyone will give a Sh#t. Stefano makes perfectly rational statements through out the article. Unsurprisingly, attention centres on the comment that could be perceived (by lesser mortals than us Andres) as a slight dig at the current WDC leader. No one actually cares - least of all Vettel / RB. I don't either. He may as well say that Lewis produces more colourful wombat surprises than most*. It makes not a jot of difference. Just as his ethereal definition of 'leadership' has no bearing whatsoever on anything. Ever. (Apart from creating silly misunderstood conversations such as these.)

*I actually think Trulli has more wombat surprising ability than most on the grid - and anyone who disagrees should take their head out of their arse.

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ahhh, who cares . vettel may not be "the leader" but he is WDC leader.

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yeah - and - so - you point is what exactly?

It's a bit of a silly 'trying to make a mountain from a mole hill' kind of article - if that wasn't obvious from my previous post, then I apologise. No - hang on - I don't. That is why I don't think anyone will give a Sh#t. Stefano makes perfectly rational statements through out the article. Unsurprisingly, attention centres on the comment that could be perceived (by lesser mortals than us Andres) as a slight dig at the current WDC leader. No one actually cares - least of all Vettel / RB. I don't either. He may as well say that Lewis produces more colourful wombat surprises than most*. It makes not a jot of difference. Just as his ethereal definition of 'leadership' has no bearing whatsoever on anything. Ever. (Apart from creating silly misunderstood conversations such as these.)

*I actually think Trulli has more wombat surprising ability than most on the grid - and anyone who disagrees should take their head out of their arse.

Are you in chinese handbag mode?

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Just as his ethereal definition of 'leadership' has no bearing whatsoever on anything. Ever. (Apart from creating silly misunderstood conversations such as these.)

I agree with you there, although that comment was so many times mentioned in relation to their drivers (Schumi, Alonso, Kubica) but not on other drivers that, with some little common sense, it is not too hard to get the general meaning of what it means.

It is what here in Argentina (regarding football players) we call "cargarse el equipo en los hombros" (carry the team on his own shoulders...or something like that). Meaning pushing forward, motivating. It is usually (but not necessarily) related to technical involvement...actually, I think whatever I write here will add more confusion than clear concepts. If the forum wasn't this empty people would have jumped on my throat saying that I am implying that Alonso or Schumi design the cars or are the sole responsibles of victory and defeat and the reality is much subtler. I find this "leadership" thing fascinating and might create a thread for this issue on its own (when I come home )

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I agree with you there, although that comment was so many times mentioned in relation to their drivers (Schumi, Alonso, Kubica) but not on other drivers that, with some little common sense, it is not too hard to get the general meaning of what it means.

It is what here in Argentina (regarding football players) we call "cargarse el equipo en los hombros" (carry the team on his own shoulders...or something like that). Meaning pushing forward, motivating. It is usually (but not necessarily) related to technical involvement...actually, I think whatever I write here will add more confusion than clear concepts. If the forum wasn't this empty people would have jumped on my throat saying that I am implying that Alonso or Schumi design the cars or are the sole responsibles of victory and defeat and the reality is much subtler. I find this "leadership" thing fascinating and might create a thread for this issue on its own (when I come home )

Big driver + big team = air of expectation all round.

In recent times, Schumacher and Alonso are the only two big names going to big teams to create big noises. Think about the champions from the last fifteen years. Of those that moved, which ones went to better teams? Answer, none apart from the aforementioned. This surely has much to do with it all.

Or maybe not. Maybe I should chew on a Chinese handbag too.

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Big driver + big team = air of expectation all round.

In recent times, Schumacher and Alonso are the only two big names going to big teams to create big noises. Think about the champions from the last fifteen years. Of those that moved, which ones went to better teams? Answer, none apart from the aforementioned. This surely has much to do with it all.

Or maybe not. Maybe I should chew on a Chinese handbag too.

Vettel: STR ---> RBR

I think that the 'leadership' term points more toward somehow improving the morale INSIDE the team, more than about expectacions OUTSIDE the team. Every driver (and obviously, #1 drivers in each team) can and will utter cries of war after each race, even if they got zero points. Lewis does it, Vettel does it, Liuzzi does it, Trulli doesn't. But to fire up the guys that actually develop the car, who know all the insides and have given up; that takes some different characteristic.

How it works and how much impact it has is debatable. But it seems at least important to LdM who always mentions it in relationship with Alonso.

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Vettel: STR ---> RBR

I meant drivers who were world champions when they moved, not the team sthey were in before they were champion.

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I meant drivers who were world champions when they moved, not the team sthey were in before they were champion.

Of course! Of course! I knew you mean that! What do you think I am? An idiot???

Erm...look! Behind you! It's the Halley Comet!

(PS: Sorry, I was too busy trying on my new NFL jackets and didn't pay enough attention)

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I saw the article the other day and thought it was quite funny: so the only two "leaders" on the grid are a current Ferrari driver and a previous one. I disagree. I think there are other drivers who help to carry, motivate and push the team, and that the team respects a lot for the job they do (my rough definition of a leader). Kubica was one. I think Vettel is another. And, bold statement it may be, I do not think Schumi is one anymore, or at least not the one he was.

There are two things to point out, one is that just because Red Bull have great strength and depth in all departments at the moment does not automatically dilute Vettel's contribution as a team leader (and by that I mean it is irrelevant to say "Vettel is not a leader, he has Horner and Newey who are exceptional" etc); in the same way it would be wrong to say that Alonso wasn't a leader because Ferrari lack such depth and talent and perfection in their operation (i.e. "Alonso isn't a leader, look how bad Ferrari are doing"!). It's possible to be a great team leader surrounded by a bunch of other amazing and talented people or surrounded by a bunch of idiots.

The second thing I think is to remember that what we see and what the truth is don't necessarily line up, and that there are different ways of motivating a team. People consider Alonso a leader for two reasons: his results; and the fact he is quite public in his emotions, so we know he is determined, focussed and a hard worker and therefore respected by his team. It is often said that many of the great champions share similar qualities, and I think it would be unwise to assume that just because Vettel has a happy demeanour and knows how to handle the press, that he isn't just as fiery as Alonso in getting the team to work for him. Vettel hides that side of him much better than Alonso but we have seen it a few times. In fact at Spa one of the most interesting things for me was to see Vettel, on the Sunday morning, having what looked like some very strong words with a Pirelli engineer (no doubt regarding the camber controversy) who almost looked like he was about to have a breakdown. So remember, just because Vettel is all smiles and you rarely see him chucking his toys out of the pram, don't assume he hasn't got that drive and inner steel and doesn't push the team when he is in the garage/factory. That is a foolish idea. This is by no means an Alonso criticism, just pointing out that there is more to it than meets the eye and different approaches.

Aside from those two matters of perception for us, the most important thing is to be respected. How does a driver gain respect of the team? Working hard, obviously (which is where Raikkonen probably fell down and Massa gained so much credit for a while). But most of the guys in F1 probably work quite hard, so there is something else. I think it is "knowing that your driver is getting the most out of the car", and this is why Schumi can no longer be considered a great leader for Mercedes, which it is possible does have some kind of effect on the workforce (esp. considering they have an unknown quantity in Rosberg). It is why Ferrari would always respect Alonso more than Massa and put their faith in him. It is why Kubica was vital for Renault. It is why Vettel, despite his age, commands the respect of Red Bull.

Of course the most difficult aspect of all of this is knowing exactly how much of difference it makes to have a strong leader over a simply fast driver

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I saw the article the other day and thought it was quite funny: so the only two "leaders" on the grid are a current Ferrari driver and a previous one. I disagree. I think there are other drivers who help to carry, motivate and push the team, and that the team respects a lot for the job they do (my rough definition of a leader). Kubica was one. I think Vettel is another. And, bold statement it may be, I do not think Schumi is one anymore, or at least not the one he was.

There are two things to point out, one is that just because Red Bull have great strength and depth in all departments at the moment does not automatically dilute Vettel's contribution as a team leader (and by that I mean it is irrelevant to say "Vettel is not a leader, he has Horner and Newey who are exceptional" etc); in the same way it would be wrong to say that Alonso wasn't a leader because Ferrari lack such depth and talent and perfection in their operation (i.e. "Alonso isn't a leader, look how bad Ferrari are doing"!). It's possible to be a great team leader surrounded by a bunch of other amazing and talented people or surrounded by a bunch of idiots.

The second thing I think is to remember that what we see and what the truth is don't necessarily line up, and that there are different ways of motivating a team. People consider Alonso a leader for two reasons: his results; and the fact he is quite public in his emotions, so we know he is determined, focussed and a hard worker and therefore respected by his team. It is often said that many of the great champions share similar qualities, and I think it would be unwise to assume that just because Vettel has a happy demeanour and knows how to handle the press, that he isn't just as fiery as Alonso in getting the team to work for him. Vettel hides that side of him much better than Alonso but we have seen it a few times. In fact at Spa one of the most interesting things for me was to see Vettel, on the Sunday morning, having what looked like some very strong words with a Pirelli engineer (no doubt regarding the camber controversy) who almost looked like he was about to have a breakdown. So remember, just because Vettel is all smiles and you rarely see him chucking his toys out of the pram, don't assume he hasn't got that drive and inner steel and doesn't push the team when he is in the garage/factory. That is a foolish idea. This is by no means an Alonso criticism, just pointing out that there is more to it than meets the eye and different approaches.

Aside from those two matters of perception for us, the most important thing is to be respected. How does a driver gain respect of the team? Working hard, obviously (which is where Raikkonen probably fell down and Massa gained so much credit for a while). But most of the guys in F1 probably work quite hard, so there is something else. I think it is "knowing that your driver is getting the most out of the car", and this is why Schumi can no longer be considered a great leader for Mercedes, which it is possible does have some kind of effect on the workforce (esp. considering they have an unknown quantity in Rosberg). It is why Ferrari would always respect Alonso more than Massa and put their faith in him. It is why Kubica was vital for Renault. It is why Vettel, despite his age, commands the respect of Red Bull.

Of course the most difficult aspect of all of this is knowing exactly how much of difference it makes to have a strong leader over a simply fast driver

yes, we all know he is faking

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Are you in chinese handbag mode?

I agree with you there, although that comment was so many times mentioned in relation to their drivers (Schumi, Alonso, Kubica) but not on other drivers that, with some little common sense, it is not too hard to get the general meaning of what it means.

It is what here in Argentina (regarding football players) we call "cargarse el equipo en los hombros" (carry the team on his own shoulders...or something like that). Meaning pushing forward, motivating. It is usually (but not necessarily) related to technical involvement...actually, I think whatever I write here will add more confusion than clear concepts. If the forum wasn't this empty people would have jumped on my throat saying that I am implying that Alonso or Schumi design the cars or are the sole responsibles of victory and defeat and the reality is much subtler. I find this "leadership" thing fascinating and might create a thread for this issue on its own (when I come home )

After all this time you still expect common sense from me?

Okay - here's another slant (which is why I label this kind of guff 'ethereal') - who is to say that carrying the whole team on ones shoulders is actually a good thing for that team? There are many arguments to say it actually isn't.

Just off the top of my head...

It can lead to ego conflicts.

It can result in other team members who require leading to do their job properly.

It leads to an unbalanced share of the decision making (which can be bad when the person in charge makes an incorrect decision).

It leads to leaders potentially making decisions that are outside their area of expertise over people who should make those decisions but are to busy being led.

etc etc etc

What I see here is a mistaken and lazy (yes Andres - lazy) continuation of the idea that "leadership" qualities are nothing but positive.

I think this idea that any team (footy/F1/polo/management) is bettter off with some charismatic (or not) "leader" is actually nonsense. Sometimes having a leader is good, sometimes it's detrimental to the team. A teams success depends on so many other things more than whether or not there's a person in there with leadership qualities. This mistaken belief that all depends on leadership is why incompetent bank/business bosses can continue to claim such disproportional bonuses. The idea is that without their strong 'leadership' the edifice would crumble. We know that's nonsense - it crumbles with them in place anyway, and actually the banks would survive just as well (if not better) with slightly lower paid people in their positions.

Big driver + big team = air of expectation all round.

In recent times, Schumacher and Alonso are the only two big names going to big teams to create big noises. Think about the champions from the last fifteen years. Of those that moved, which ones went to better teams? Answer, none apart from the aforementioned. This surely has much to do with it all.

Or maybe not. Maybe I should chew on a Chinese handbag too.

Yes - there is that too.

You can leave off the handbag for now.

One more thing - how about Kovi??????

Why is he not "leadership" material? Is it because he's not in a top team, or because he's not a former WDC?

For me - he's dragging Lotus up by the testicles. Bit by bit. Not underachieving in a top team like Alonso and Schumi.

EDIT - One more thing. If you had to choose any member of your F1 team to have "leadership" qualities who would it be?

For me it would be the team principle every time - not a driver. Never a driver.

EDIT EDIT - suck on that fake Gucci leather!

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All he did was to remark that Vettel is no actual leader in a team sense (and it is obvious that he is no Alonso or Schumacher in the sense of pushing a team, despite being a winner)

Bollocks! You get different kind of leaders, those that's extrovert in their saying or actions (which Alonso is a perfect example of), those that lead by example etc etc. I read an interesting article the other day when Adrian Newey stated the amount of hours Vettel works, till late at night, how he tries to improve the car even further. Trying to make the tyres work better. JA says of his excellent working relationship with the Pirelli team and how they respect Vettel. To Quote James Allen..."Vettel has an excellent relationship with Pirelli management. In Germany he was with them on Saturday night until 10-30pm and they speak very highly of him." If those are not qualitites of a great leader in driving the team forwards then I really don't know. Plus he's winning and has his 2nd title in the bag already... how's that for team morale... Hey guys, How about reading my signature line for a change????

Stephano took a dig at Vettel but in the end it's really him (as a leader) that comes up short....