brambilla 0 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 I don't believe it. Schumi yet again out of the race. That i did not like. seemed to me like Schumi was being a good No.2 Driver ( ) and letting Rosberg get away, so it wasnt good to see him pull off the track. Happy with the end result though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brambilla 0 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 Good job Peter Sauber is already bald....Perez and Kobayashi showing each other the grass....sparks flying off the wheels....enough to make you turn grey and lose your hair all at once Perez's jink into Koba on the straight towards the end (Lap 50 - When they were passing Kimi) - a little uncalled for , I hope Kaltenborn gives him a paddling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LabradoRacer 2 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 Schumi says he feels sorry for the pit guy who messed up. Class act. He had every right to read out the riot act, but didn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caesar 0 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 i pity the soul who said that will do China GP report. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Massa 0 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 Just finished watching this one...let's see... I said Rosberg would never win a race in his entire career, good for him. He had it won, even if Button's pit crew hadn't run into issues; he didn't lose any pace at the end and to me, that was absolutely incredible. I'm not sure how he did it...no really, I'm not, they never showed his car at the end and credit to them for showing the racing and not the leader. Ever watch American racing? They show the leader all by himself 90% of the race, and then the big stars regardless of where they are running. Literally you might see about four drivers in the entire race other than for huge blanket shots that show everyone out-of-focus. FOM do a great job producing these broadcasts, really. You know I remember Rosberg's F1 debut because it was my F1 debut, Bahrain 2006, and how we all were handing him WDCs that day and praising Montoya's sweet grandmother for sending someone to save Williams. Never panned out that way but at the very least we're six years past it and Rosberg's a winner and Williams aren't looking so terrible anymore. Now what? Sergio Pérez locking it up. Whatever he did at Australia he couldn't do here. BUT GUYS REALLY LET'S PUT HIM IN A FERRARI. No. Give him time to develop outside of such a high-pressure, low-results team. Please. He could really do something. I sort of liked (and sort of hated) his **** move on Kamui Kobayashi there when they were going three-wide in the DRS zone. Kobayashi, by the way, can we finally stop linking him to big-time drives? He's one of the few drivers out there that I like. Fun to watch and seems like a really great guy, but let's face it, F1 isn't about making impossibly sloppy overtakes stick when you're up at the front of the field, it's about managing a race like Rosberg did. Kobayahsi was a minus seven today. He can't cut it with the big teams and I'm actually glad; he's more fun to watch in the mid-field than stranded all out by himself. Is Fernando Alonso the greatest driver in F1 or what? Gosh that guy was sliding everywhere today and he made it work well enough. Sebastian Vettel, what a genius when it comes to setting up the overtake or even trying the cross-over. He just does it so smoothly and so perfectly, at least he did today. Really clean stuff and that's not as exciting, but you know what, that's what really takes skill. Mark Webber, ah, you're winning me over buddy. I love it! Sticking it to Vettel and going dirt-tracking. Felipe Massa had a wild adventure today. Poor guy. That car drives like *** and I'm not really sure anyone other than Alonso could do anything with it. That doesn't excuse Massa's terrible judgment at times, of course, but it's an awful, awful car that's being designed to drive awfully around Alonso, which means it's really tremendously horrible for Massa. He'd be better off in an HRT designed around him, wouldn't he? No excuses for not scoring points in the first three rounds, of course, when there was unpredictability to capitalize on in Melbourne and Sepang. Bruno Senna's better than I thought he was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 First half of the race was a snooze fest, but it really came alive as the different tyre strategies started to converge. And what excites me most is that there has been no clear frontrunner with different cars being fast at each circuit (although the most consistent performers have to be the McLarens). All bodes well for a really close season. My thoughts too. First of all, I honestly don't understand how Mercedes could have dominated this weekend, at all Apparently solving chronic tyre degradation is as easy as flicking a switch? But anyway, well done Rosberg - I really wasn't convinced he had it in him. I did think Senna had something, so good to see him performing well again as at the last race. Shame about Schumi although maybe it was for the best for his ego as he might have ended some way back from Nico in this one. Shame about Kimi's strategy, too, another opportunity missed. Great season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 EISH... Kimi.... *shakes head* That really hurt guys... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 Message to the younguns: don't let us old fools bother you again with those patronizing "in my times, when we had REAL RACING..." and bore you to death with Villeneuve and Arnoux and Donnington 93. YOu just watched a race that deserves to join those old legenday drives. I never thought I would say this but: shame about Schumi and Kimi, and hats off to Vettel fro showing both the fighting spirit and some good skills out there! Actually is hard to single out a guy that has not delivered today. Oh, wait...Massa! But it wasn't his fault. He was doing a more than decent job until that weird strategy choice secured him a back of the field position. I have no idea what were they trying to accomplish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JHS18 0 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 Wow how I've missed live BBC F1 coverage. Sky, you can stick your subscription package up Bernie Ecclestone's a##. Okay, that was my predictable dig at Sky. It was a good race. Not too much happened to start with (seems like Button said, DRS makes things harder when cars are running in a train and everyone gets it) but there was some fantastic racing late on. Great to see so many cars being so close with lots having the potential to be on the podium. Kinda felt for Raikkonen at the end though, P2 to P14. Ouch. Would have loved to see Michael up there, hopefully he's got rid of all his bad luck for the season so far in these first three races. Was gutted to see him retire. Enjoyed seeing the Saubers in the thick of it again despite ultimately dropping back. Nice job by Vettel from P11. Most of all though, great to see a new winner in F1. I'm indifferent towards Rosberg, I find him a difficult driver to support, but it was nice to see him win today. He earned that, Button's pitstop problem or not. 2012's shaping up to be a great year. I enjoyed seeing Vettel win last year, but it is fantastic it is so competitive this year. Three different winners in three different types of car in the first three rounds. You can't be disappointed with that. It's just a shame there's such a wait till the Spanish Grand Prix now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Argento Reloaded 1 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 What a race! The only thing I can say is Webber do a better job all over the weekend than Vettel! Webbo´s revenge!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pabloh20 1 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 EISH... Kimi.... *shakes head* That really hurt guys... Awww come on Brad, that was just Kimi's learning experience of 'the cliff', every other driver has done it at some point. In another race, he wouldn't have had to pay that dearly. In fact I am struggling to think of another race (aside from safety car incidents) in recent times whereby on your 2nd pit stop, you can drop from 2nd or 3rd to outside the top ten. I am sure there must have been, but can't think of it offhand And great drive from Rosberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 In fact I am struggling to think of another race (aside from safety car incidents) in recent times whereby on your 2nd pit stop, you can drop from 2nd or 3rd to outside the top ten. I am sure there must have been, but can't think of it offhand and you just had to rub it in... It's like pouring salt on an open wound Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 Wow how I've missed live BBC F1 coverage. Sky, you can stick your subscription package up Bernie Ecclestone's a##. Okay, that was my predictable dig at Sky. It was a good race. Not too much happened to start with (seems like Button said, DRS makes things harder when cars are running in a train and everyone gets it) but there was some fantastic racing late on. Great to see so many cars being so close with lots having the potential to be on the podium. Kinda felt for Raikkonen at the end though, P2 to P14. Ouch. Would have loved to see Michael up there, hopefully he's got rid of all his bad luck for the season so far in these first three races. Was gutted to see him retire. Enjoyed seeing the Saubers in the thick of it again despite ultimately dropping back. Nice job by Vettel from P11. Most of all though, great to see a new winner in F1. I'm indifferent towards Rosberg, I find him a difficult driver to support, but it was nice to see him win today. He earned that, Button's pitstop problem or not. 2012's shaping up to be a great year. I enjoyed seeing Vettel win last year, but it is fantastic it is so competitive this year. Three different winners in three different types of car in the first three rounds. You can't be disappointed with that. It's just a shame there's such a wait till the Spanish Grand Prix now. I'm afraid he's inherited the points-threatening 2nd driver syndrome which all of his team mates suffered from. There's simply no hope for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainmaster 7 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 Wow how I've missed live BBC F1 coverage. Sky, you can stick your subscription package up Bernie Ecclestone's a##. Okay, that was my predictable dig at Sky. It was a good race. Not too much happened to start with (seems like Button said, DRS makes things harder when cars are running in a train and everyone gets it) but there was some fantastic racing late on. Great to see so many cars being so close with lots having the potential to be on the podium. Kinda felt for Raikkonen at the end though, P2 to P14. Ouch. Would have loved to see Michael up there, hopefully he's got rid of all his bad luck for the season so far in these first three races. Was gutted to see him retire. Enjoyed seeing the Saubers in the thick of it again despite ultimately dropping back. Nice job by Vettel from P11. Most of all though, great to see a new winner in F1. I'm indifferent towards Rosberg, I find him a difficult driver to support, but it was nice to see him win today. He earned that, Button's pitstop problem or not. 2012's shaping up to be a great year. I enjoyed seeing Vettel win last year, but it is fantastic it is so competitive this year. Three different winners in three different types of car in the first three rounds. You can't be disappointed with that. It's just a shame there's such a wait till the Spanish Grand Prix now. I'm afraid he's inherited the points-threatening 2nd driver syndrome which all of his team mates suffered from. There's simply no hope for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted April 15, 2012 Karma is a bitch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dribbler 6 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 A brilliant Grand Prix. I wonder whether Mercedes can now surprise us further by delivering that sort of performance cosistently? Ross Brawn said that the win was the culmination of having consistent conditions for the duration of the weekend. This enabled Mercedes to build their performance progressively and keep the car in its optimum performance window. The real trick will be to do this when the conditions are changeable, or hotter. Unless they learn how to do this in seven days, my prediction is that they may even struggle to match the Red Bull's in Bahrain. Just a theory. Schumacher must be disappointed that Mercedes' first win (forgetting the history babble) was not delivered by him. Nico has fought back at Michael's superiority of the first two races in commanding style. Wobbly wheels aside, Michael did not have Nico's race pace. It could have looked like they were on different strategies, but bearing in mind Nico was on two stops, this would have meant Michael was on three and made his lack of relative performance look even weaker. It may be that Nico pulled away because initially they had him on a three and later switched to a two when they realised the tyres were going to last. I don't know. Either way, Michael needs to start scoring big if he wants any chance of challenging for a title charge. To me it looks like he has fallen behind too much already. Hamilton is playing the right game with consistency, or is he? He may be thinking the way to win this title is to keep banging the points in, and he is right. But what made him special in his first year was his ability to do this combined with an attacking style. I get a sense of him having analysed himself a little too much and deciding on a new, unattacking style of driving. He must not forget that he will still need days when he has to push and take risks. Button is not about to start going slow. Lewis once again looked tardy and average in traffic, taking ages to get past Massa. This is where he lost any chance of taking the fight to Button. Webber must have roared a deep Aussie laugh inside that helmet when he put manners (again) on Sebastian. He's on a mind game role. Sebastian is riding the same roller coaster as the one Lewis paid for in 2009. Character building stuff. The race behind this gaggle was fantastic. Some great and very professional wheel to wheel shennanigans. Does F1 get any better? I really didn't need any more than what this race delivered. How brilliant that we have all moaned, all offered solutions, tried them and found an incredible recipe that just works. There will be races less exciting than this. I'm glad though, in a way. It will let me get my breath back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pabloh20 1 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 and you just had to rub it in... It's like pouring salt on an open wound Me bad Sorry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pabloh20 1 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 Hamilton is playing the right game with consistency, or is he? He may be thinking the way to win this title is to keep banging the points in, and he is right. But what made him special in his first year was his ability to do this combined with an attacking style. I get a sense of him having analysed himself a little too much and deciding on a new, unattacking style of driving. He must not forget that he will still need days when he has to push and take risks. Button is not about to start going slow. Lewis once again looked tardy and average in traffic, taking ages to get past Massa. This is where he lost any chance of taking the fight to Button. Personally, I think Lewis has gone too far towards the safe approach, as you say, although it could just be a lack of confidence in his decision making. I completely understand why he is doing it, though, if it is a conscious decision. Maybe after a few more races like this, his mojo will come back. He was certainly more hesitant getting past Massa than some of the others, but maybe that's understandable too, after last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 Personally, I think Lewis has gone too far towards the safe approach, as you say, although it could just be a lack of confidence in his decision making. I completely understand why he is doing it, though, if it is a conscious decision. Maybe after a few more races like this, his mojo will come back. He was certainly more hesitant getting past Massa than some of the others, but maybe that's understandable too, after last year. Yes to you and Steve. I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing. He needs to learn patience first, and from there start to take risks. As Steve mentioned about Vettel, character building stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pabloh20 1 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 Yes to you and Steve. I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing. He needs to learn patience first, and from there start to take risks. As Steve mentioned about Vettel, character building stuff. Well, the bolded bit, I am not quite so sure about. I guess time will tell on that one, but my gut feeling is saying something is not sitting quite right at the moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 Well, the bolded bit, I am not quite so sure about. I guess time will tell on that one, but my gut feeling is saying something is not sitting quite right at the moment. Liverpool flavored bollocks! I know he looks unusually hesitant and low key at the moment but let's face it: last year's performance as the flamboyant car destroyer was a mess that brought him nothing but a personal and career crysis while his teammate won the mind games and team's heart. He went to the other side of the spectrum and now he looks a lot more like Massa than he looks like Nando, and obviously it is not a good place to be but is a better start as results will help him find confidence and bring his fighting spirit back (hopefully). As somebody who has no personal interest on who ends up on top at McLaren (I like JB better as a person but respect LH more as a driver) it is fun to watch JB "Mr.Nice Guy" messing with LH's head lately with his comments about Nando and such. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pabloh20 1 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 Liverpool flavored bollocks! I know he looks unusually hesitant and low key at the moment but let's face it: last year's performance as the flamboyant car destroyer was a mess that brought him nothing but a personal and career crysis while his teammate won the mind games and team's heart. He went to the other side of the spectrum and now he looks a lot more like Massa than he looks like Nando, and obviously it is not a good place to be but is a better start as results will help him find confidence and bring his fighting spirit back (hopefully). As somebody who has no personal interest on who ends up on top at McLaren (I like JB better as a person but respect LH more as a driver) it is fun to watch JB "Mr.Nice Guy" messing with LH's head lately with his comments about Nando and such. Well, bollocks to your bollocks, mon amis It's a British thing, we often try to curb or 'coach out' what makes a person talented in the first place. That's what Lewis seems to be doing at the moment. Or that's what it feels like, at any rate. You know I think Alonso is the 2nd best all rounder on the grid at the moment, obviously Schumi destroys him in any way shape or form, but it could be argued that with a bit of flamboyant car destroyer about him, he may have 3 world titles. Of course it could be argued that trying to drive like a flamboyant car destroyer, Alonso would have been nowhere near that title anyway, because if you try to make a driver what he is not, then it can backfire. As I say, time will tell. You may be right, there is a first time for everything, after all However, I am not totally convinced Lewis is starting from the right place, I think he is starting from a 'too safe' position. Anyway, let's be honest, last year's flamboyant car destroyer act would have worked if it wasn't for those pesky other drivers getting in his way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quiet One 15 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 You know I think Alonso is the 2nd best all rounder on the grid at the moment Geez you cannot be so ignorant! FYI, Montoya is not in F1 anymore!!! Wait...oh, sorry, my bad...I read "all round". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradSpeedMan 6 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 You know I think Alonso is the 2nd best all rounder on the grid at the moment, obviously Schumi destroys him in any way shape or form, but it could be argued that with a bit of flamboyant car destroyer about him, he may have 3 world titles. Of course it could be argued that trying to drive like a flamboyant car destroyer, Alonso would have been nowhere near that title anyway, because if you try to make a driver what he is not, then it can backfire. http://www.crash.net/f1/news/178177/1/scheckter_alonso_a_steady_performer_not_best_of_the_bunch.html uhm, you were saying?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Massa 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2012 We trust a guy who works around all that methane on his organic farm to talk sense? Doesn't even give any evidence to support his claims, just throws things out there. Jody would be a good Internet forum poster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites