Williams Retain Karthikeyan

[bajo39 0]

Prior to entering F1? Yes, that's fair. I do think that Gene is better than Pizza Boy though.

How is it fair? Gene may well be better than Pizzonia but I think both are better than Karthikeyan.

Prior to entering F1? Yes, that's fair. I do think that Gene is better than Pizza Boy though.

And now it's pub time. See you all after quali.

Sh#te, I better go set up my PVR!

[Autumnpuma 0]

I suppose you could argue that Narain and Marc are of equal skill level, but Antonio was doing well against Heidfeld during their Williams shoot-out. Perhaps that elevates him a bit?

Also, I'm not so sure that the amount of sponsorship funding that Marc and Antonio brought to the table equal the amount Narain brings. Surely that should factor into it?

[mock 0]

I'd rather the teams either ceased to exist or were given standardised cars, which would solve this problem.

Sounds very much like A1 GP

Okay let's just agree to disagree so that I can stop making a fool of myself then

I find these are the wisest and truest words spoken till date and adhering to these would make the forum a happier place

stopkidding - don't bother, none of this lot is interested in a discussion, all they'll do is keep baiting you with bulls##t. Not worth it, it's like trying to have a discussion with a pub brawler and his mates, he'll simply respond with a stupid retort and his hanger ons will laugh. None of these prize idiots in over an year have made a single[i/] attempt to analyse Narain's driving and present a rational argument. Mike will soon be around telling us how important and wonderful bajo is to the forum and that you should not question him. None of them are interested in the slightest in making an assertion that will stand up to any scrutiny, it is all baiting and bulls##t. Just do a search if you want to see, this stuff has a long long history, amazingly just about all normally rational members just echo this bulls##t - pumpdoc, ecapdeville etc., and simply respond with inane bulls##t. There are some who tried to take a reasonable position, unfortunately they are not around. There is no point arguing with these fools.

My friend, these are by far the wisest words spoken on this forum, far outstripping any previous bests, besides the fact that they gave me a very good laugh on a morning where I'm really p**sed off because I have to be at work while qualifying is going on...............

[Jean Todt 4]

stopkidding - don't bother, none of this lot is interested in a discussion, all they'll do is keep baiting you with bulls##t. Not worth it, it's like trying to have a discussion with a pub brawler and his mates, he'll simply respond with a stupid retort and his hanger ons will laugh. None of these prize idiots in over an year have made a single[i/] attempt to analyse Narain's driving and present a rational argument. Mike will soon be around telling us how important and wonderful bajo is to the forum and that you should not question him. None of them are interested in the slightest in making an assertion that will stand up to any scrutiny, it is all baiting and bulls##t. Just do a search if you want to see, this stuff has a long long history, amazingly just about all normally rational members just echo this bulls##t - pumpdoc, ecapdeville etc., and simply respond with inane bulls##t. There are some who tried to take a reasonable position, unfortunately they are not around. There is no point arguing with these fools.

well said!

[Loser Boy 0]

Btw its really the Indians who are racist. How come they all support a driver who brings the sport into disrepute? It is they who are prejudiced, in this case in favour of someone like themselves over and above anybody with a different skin colour or nationality. The rest of us just give an assessment of a driver's potential.

I am Indian, but I am not supporting Narain.

Everyone on this planet is racist. Broadly speaking , there are 2 types of racism :Harmful & Harmless

e.g Harmful : - hate type, denying jobs/promotions & so on.

e.g Harmless :- Sexual preferences.Some may prefer only Caucasians,others Latinas. Or some find certain races ugly,but there's no hate involved here nor is anybody harmed. Another type of harmless racism is being clannish.

It's better that we humans realise that we are all racist. Some are upfront ,others aren't.

Anyway ,Murray Walker, I don't blame you for getting a little uptight, given that this world scrutinizes Caucasians for "good behaviour" more closely than other races. No, I am not trying to ingratiate myself to the whites here on this forum.

[mock 0]

No he is a driver trying to do what he thinks is the best for himself, you are the sad spoilt pathetic brat

You have a standing ovation for your very true and apt proclamation

[mock 0]

Btw its really the Indians who are racist. How come they all support a driver who brings the sport into disrepute? It is they who are prejudiced, in this case in favour of someone like themselves over and above anybody with a different skin colour or nationality. The rest of us just give an assessment of a driver's potential.

Pure bull Sh#t. Michael Schumacher and Ferrari have many more fans in India than NK has, likewise McLaren is a favourite team too for most Indians. Everyone wants to see a homegrown hero do well. I assume you are a Brit, the Brits and the South Africans have been the worlds worst racists, along with the Americans.

In what way has NK brought the sport into disrepute? Don't go around making stupid statements that make you seem like you have your head in your nether regions. He's paid for a drive just like many many other guys before him, and he's done a decent job when he was on the grid, thats what one could ask for.

In fact I have proven on this forum that NK did a better job in Jordan than NH did when he was driving for Jordan, with a racewise analysis, head to head, so what crap are you talking. Your assessment is just an ASSessment, sorry to say so. Wake up, smell the coffee and above all be fair and objective in what you are writing.

And for your information, the yahoo India homepage is the only one I've seen with a Formula 1 section which is not parked under 'sports' - it is a direct seperate section on their home page - this shows the popularity and following for the sport, despite NK not being driving this year. In a country where everyone breathes, eats drinks and sleeps cricket, this is no mean feat

[Ctrl300 0]

No he is a driver trying to do what he thinks is the best for himself, you are the sad spoilt pathetic brat

It is good that some fart (not referring to your body odour which probably smells far worse than any fart) knows where it is at. You are obviously friendless as you spend all your time in the UNSW computerlabs, and you probably have a sexual weakness for dead male elephants. Homo-zoo-necrophilia is just so in vogue.

Do you want to exchange further pleasantries little man?

In fact I have proven on this forum that NK did a better job in Jordan than NH did when he was driving for Jordan, with a racewise analysis, head to head, so what crap are you talking.

I am no fan of either driver, but I do not know how you can compare what Hick did at Jordan with that Narain accomplished. But as far as I could see Nick surely performed better. Overlooking the fact that they drove different chassis with different engine manufacturers under different ownership, lets make a brief comparison:

2004, very poor finance and disastrous reliability. Nick managed a 7th and a 8th scoring 3 WDC points

2005, better finance and very good reliability. Narain is beaten by Monterio and manages no real WDC. Remember, Narains WDC points at Indy does not count, although you probably see that glorious 4th place as a masterstroke from Narain.

Now please enilghten me on how he did better.

[cavallino 2]

It is good that some fart (not referring to your body odour which probably smells far worse than any fart) knows where it is at. You are obviously friendless as you spend all your time in the UNSW computerlabs, and you probably have a sexual weakness for dead male elephants. Homo-zoo-necrophilia is just so in vogue.

Do you want to exchange further pleasantries little man?

I pity you, I really do.

[Ctrl300 0]

I pity you, I really do.

Not nearly as much as you pity yourself

[Jean Todt 4]

Pure bull Sh#t. Michael Schumacher and Ferrari have many more fans in India than NK has, likewise McLaren is a favourite team too for most Indians. Everyone wants to see a homegrown hero do well. I assume you are a Brit, the Brits and the South Africans have been the worlds worst racists, along with the Americans.

In what way has NK brought the sport into disrepute? Don't go around making stupid statements that make you seem like you have your head in your nether regions. He's paid for a drive just like many many other guys before him, and he's done a decent job when he was on the grid, thats what one could ask for.

In fact I have proven on this forum that NK did a better job in Jordan than NH did when he was driving for Jordan, with a racewise analysis, head to head, so what crap are you talking. Your assessment is just an ASSessment, sorry to say so. Wake up, smell the coffee and above all be fair and objective in what you are writing.

And for your information, the yahoo India homepage is the only one I've seen with a Formula 1 section which is not parked under 'sports' - it is a direct seperate section on their home page - this shows the popularity and following for the sport, despite NK not being driving this year. In a country where everyone breathes, eats drinks and sleeps cricket, this is no mean feat

well said!

[Racing4G 0]

Pure bull Sh#t. Michael Schumacher and Ferrari have many more fans in India than NK has, likewise McLaren is a favourite team too for most Indians.

BMW too...

Everyone wants to see a homegrown hero do well. I assume you are a Brit, the Brits and the South Africans have been the worlds worst racists, along with the Americans.

Yes we wish him(NK) all the best. But we know that he cannot become like MS,KIMI or annyone else in the first row. Now we even back young talents like Mass, Kubica .....

valid point...mock

[bajo39 0]

I am no fan of either driver, but I do not know how you can compare what Hick did at Jordan with that Narain accomplished. But as far as I could see Nick surely performed better. Overlooking the fact that they drove different chassis with different engine manufacturers under different ownership, lets make a brief comparison:

2004, very poor finance and disastrous reliability. Nick managed a 7th and a 8th scoring 3 WDC points

2005, better finance and very good reliability. Narain is beaten by Monterio and manages no real WDC. Remember, Narains WDC points at Indy does not count, although you probably see that glorious 4th place as a masterstroke from Narain.

Now please enilghten me on how he did better.

Indeed, I don't get it either.

[bajo39 0]

In what way has NK brought the sport into disrepute? Don't go around making stupid statements that make you seem like you have your head in your nether regions. He's paid for a drive just like many many other guys before him, and he's done a decent job when he was on the grid, thats what one could ask for.

Here is the answer you are looking for, from earlier in the thread:

F1 purportedly espouses to be the pinnacle of racing with the best cars and the best drivers, racing on the best circuits. Having an under-qualified driver like Narain associated with the series - particularly in countries like India where the fans are new to the sport and don't realize that Karthikeyan is an unfortunate anomaly in talent terms - brings into question the quality of the series as a whole. This is unacceptable to those among us who truly love and respect the support and will not sit quite as its reputation is tarnished.

For Narain to have any popularity among F1 fans anywhere, except as the butt of a joke, is a problem to my mind. And that is because his association with the sport is detrimental to its reputation for the reasons outlined above. The more popular he is, the more harm is done to the sports reputation. The sooner the teams start rejecting his posionous cheques, the sooner the reputation of the sport improves.

[mock 0]

It is good that some fart (not referring to your body odour which probably smells far worse than any fart) knows where it is at. You are obviously friendless as you spend all your time in the UNSW computerlabs, and you probably have a sexual weakness for dead male elephants. Homo-zoo-necrophilia is just so in vogue.

Do you want to exchange further pleasantries little man?

I am no fan of either driver, but I do not know how you can compare what Hick did at Jordan with that Narain accomplished. But as far as I could see Nick surely performed better. Overlooking the fact that they drove different chassis with different engine manufacturers under different ownership, lets make a brief comparison:

2004, very poor finance and disastrous reliability. Nick managed a 7th and a 8th scoring 3 WDC points

2005, better finance and very good reliability. Narain is beaten by Monterio and manages no real WDC. Remember, Narains WDC points at Indy does not count, although you probably see that glorious 4th place as a masterstroke from Narain.

Now please enilghten me on how he did better.

You are mentally sick, Cav pities you, I pity your parents...I don't see anyone on this forum condoning the Sh#t that spills out of your mouth

Here is the answer you are looking for, from earlier in the thread:

For Narain to have any popularity among F1 fans anywhere, except as the butt of a joke, is a problem to my mind. And that is because his association with the sport is detrimental to its reputation for the reasons outlined above. The more popular he is, the more harm is done to the sports reputation. The sooner the teams start rejecting his posionous cheques, the sooner the reputation of the sport improves.

Ah, same old Bajo crap. The problem is with your mind, leave no doubts.

Your reasons are as pathetic as your little, pathetic and narrow mind. In fact I have myself a hearty laugh every time I read the crap you post here. Keep entertaining me and other Indians with your crap. Your so full of yourself I'm surprised you haven't torn yourself a new one

Indeed, I don't get it either.

Don't bother trying, you wouldn't, however hard you tried

I feel you need a check up - you show signs of schizophrenia

[Max Mosley 2]

Pure bull Sh#t. Michael Schumacher and Ferrari have many more fans in India than NK has, likewise McLaren is a favourite team too for most Indians. Everyone wants to see a homegrown hero do well. I assume you are a Brit, the Brits and the South Africans have been the worlds worst racists, along with the Americans.

In what way has NK brought the sport into disrepute? Don't go around making stupid statements that make you seem like you have your head in your nether regions. He's paid for a drive just like many many other guys before him, and he's done a decent job when he was on the grid, thats what one could ask for.

In fact I have proven on this forum that NK did a better job in Jordan than NH did when he was driving for Jordan, with a racewise analysis, head to head, so what crap are you talking. Your assessment is just an ASSessment, sorry to say so. Wake up, smell the coffee and above all be fair and objective in what you are writing.

And for your information, the yahoo India homepage is the only one I've seen with a Formula 1 section which is not parked under 'sports' - it is a direct seperate section on their home page - this shows the popularity and following for the sport, despite NK not being driving this year. In a country where everyone breathes, eats drinks and sleeps cricket, this is no mean feat

You are making yourself look stupid. First I was referring to the Indians on here, almost all of whom except loser boy, do support Karty. Where are the Indians that don't support Karty? In fact before him we had only a few Indian posters and their quality was a lot higher. Your NH NK comparison is laughable. Are you seriously suggesting NK is a better prospect than NH was after his debut season?

[bajo39 0]

You are mentally sick, Cav pities you, I pity your parents...I don't see anyone on this forum condoning the Sh#t that spills out of your mouth

He provided a factual argument, contrary to the angry drivel that your lot issue. And since there was no complaint as to his post - except from the Indian quarter - I would say that the forum generally condones what was said.

Don't bother trying, you wouldn't, however hard you tried

I don't get it because it doesn't make any sense. There is no basis to suggest that Karthikeyan outperformed Heidfeld as Ctrl adequately demonstrated.

[stopkidding 0]

F1 purportedly espouses to be the pinnacle of racing with the best cars and the best drivers, racing on the best circuits. Having an under-qualified driver like Narain associated with the series - particularly in countries like India where the fans are new to the sport and don't realize that Karthikeyan is an unfortunate anomaly in talent terms - brings into question the quality of the series as a whole. This is unacceptable to those among us who truly love and respect the support and will not sit quite as its reputation is tarnished.

This all I am looking for your hotness. Objective proof as to how he is under qualified. I know you have nothing but drivel for opinion, but I am yet a to see a single argument that can be considered to be Objective Proof as to why NK is under qualified.

Its either the case that you have no argument to present or your understanding of English is very poor.

OBJECTIVE PROOF is all I am looking for, as for opinion you are always entitled to it.....

[Fed up 0]

This all I am looking for your hotness. Objective proof as to how he is under qualified. I know you have nothing but drivel for opinion, but I am yet a to see a single argument that can be considered to be Objective Proof as to why NK is under qualified.

Its either the case that you have no argument to present or your understanding of English is very poor.

OBJECTIVE PROOF is all I am looking for, as for opinion you are always entitled to it.....

You'll be waiting forever my friend

[stopkidding 0]

You'll be waiting forever my friend

I have been, I am no fan of Narain, I couldn't care less if he raced or not. All I care about is fighting this prejudice on this forum. This whole Anti-Narain on this forum is nothing but utter prejudice against a driver who doesn't fit the "traditional" mold of an F1 driver. Based on his junior record the only thing I claim is that he is sufficiently qualified to be an F1 test driver on merit. Not a race driver, but an F1 test driver for sure. This about all I claim, yet with all the wisdom in this forum not ONE OBJECTIVE or RATIONAL argument has been presented to void my claim. Instead all I get is prejudice and posters forming cliques to use each other for validation. This is SO elementary school behaviour.

If someone has the balls to have an argument based on reason and objectivity I am here waiting....

if not then, seriously, SHUT UP

[Fed up 0]

I have been, I am no fan of Narain, I couldn't care less if he raced or not. All I care about is fighting this prejudice on this forum. This whole Anti-Narain on this forum is nothing but utter prejudice against a driver who doesn't fit the "traditional" mold of an F1 driver. Based on his junior record the only thing I claim is that he is sufficiently qualified to be an F1 test driver on merit. Not a race driver, but an F1 test driver for sure. This about all I claim, yet with all the wisdom in this forum not ONE OBJECTIVE or RATIONAL argument has been presented to void my claim. Instead all I get is prejudice and posters forming cliques to use each other for validation. This is SO elementary school behaviour.

If someone has the balls to have an argument based on reason and objectivity I am here waiting....

if not then, seriously, SHUT UP

Spot on

I'm of the opinion that Narain bashing is used specifically to wind up the likes of Cav, Narain fan and the other Indian posters. The fact that these guys cant rise above it only serves to perpetuate the bigotry.

[bajo39 0]

I have been, I am no fan of Narain, I couldn't care less if he raced or not. All I care about is fighting this prejudice on this forum. This whole Anti-Narain on this forum is nothing but utter prejudice against a driver who doesn't fit the "traditional" mold of an F1 driver. Based on his junior record the only thing I claim is that he is sufficiently qualified to be an F1 test driver on merit. Not a race driver, but an F1 test driver for sure. This about all I claim, yet with all the wisdom in this forum not ONE OBJECTIVE or RATIONAL argument has been presented to void my claim. Instead all I get is prejudice and posters forming cliques to use each other for validation. This is SO elementary school behaviour.

If someone has the balls to have an argument based on reason and objectivity I am here waiting....

if not then, seriously, SHUT UP

The proof is before you yet you ignore it...

If Narain were qualified on merit for the bottom of the grid race seat he occupied in 2005, he would not have had to have paid a reportedly record setting sum to secure it. If he were qualified on merit for the promotional test seat he currently occupies, he would not have paid $3m* to secure it. The logical conclusion is that Narain is not qualified for either of these positions and it therefore seems reasonable to conclude that he is not qualified on merit for any position in F1.

*and one wonders whether this $3m is not another record given the lowly position purchased.

[goferrarigo 0]

Spot on

I'm of the opinion that Narain bashing is used specifically to wind up the likes of Cav, Narain fan and the other Indian posters. The fact that these guys cant rise above it only serves to perpetuate the bigotry.

I agree with you Fed up. but the problem is sometimes people go overbord with comments not only indian poster but the ppl contradicting them and it gets out of hand. thus i had from a few posts asked for this tread to be locked but no one was/is listening, too busy fighting. No time for Peace

[Max Mosley 2]

Based on his junior record the only thing I claim is that he is sufficiently qualified to be an F1 test driver on merit. Not a race driver, but an F1 test driver for sure.

Oh. So you agree he made a mockery of our sport last year?

[stopkidding 0]

Oh. So you agree he made a mockery of our sport last year?

just as much as all pay drivers do. Like monteiro continues to do, just like Sato and Yamamoto continue to do....yes in that respect yes.

The proof is before you yet you ignore it...

If Narain were qualified on merit for the bottom of the grid race seat he occupied in 2005, he would not have had to have paid a reportedly record setting sum to secure it. If he were qualified on merit for the promotional test seat he currently occupies, he would not have paid $3m* to secure it. The logical conclusion is that Narain is not qualified for either of these positions and it therefore seems reasonable to conclude that he is not qualified on merit for any position in F1.

*and one wonders whether this $3m is not another record given the lowly position purchased.

No Tata sponsoring Williams is not the same has securing a pay seat. When you pay to get a drive you give the team cold hard cash in return for a drive with no promotional obligations. Tata have a sponsorship deal for which they have their logo prominently splashed on the Car, the overalls and the helmet. That is called sponsorship.

In the same light McLaren have announced some deals with some spanish companies, Does that make Alonso a pay driver? Senna always carried his Nacional Sponsorship to every team he drove for, does that make Senna a Pay driver?

The fact remains that Narain is a paid employee of Williams, and he gets paid for his testing duties rather than him paying Williams to test.

How do you ignore that?

isn't it time to SHUT UP?