General Music Thread

[goferrarigo 0]

Yeah, but they aren't making ALL the money they deserve. Think of it this way: your income is $100,000 per year. And you get $80,000 before taxes because someone illegally took your money. Are you gunna be like "oh, oh well, whatever"?

I agree you don't get as much as you deserve. but the CD prices are pretty riduclous, you can get DVD movies(around 200 now but increasing) legal copies for half price

Nope, I don't share songs. I pay for my songs on iTunes, and if someone wants the same song, they have to pay for it on iTunes, too.

Same with all the places I legally buy music for my phone. I don't share any files at all.

I will admit I used some P2P Internet TV thing once, until I found it was illegal, and then I deleted the program.

I use this to watch F1. As there is no other way to watch it online. If the FIA did get one out(which i don't understand why they haven't, IMO would be a good money making machine with hardly any costs); i would definatly subscribe...

[Rainmaster 7]

Some good stuff in there. And I know of another place on you that has some good stuff in it.

Thanks Eric, now if only I could remember where that place was

As for all you thieves who download music, well your no better than scum, would you walk into a shop and steal a CD off the shelf? (and yes, I actually download music a fair bit, I'm just 'playing' with you) - still though you (and me) are scum, and should feel ashamed of ourselves. To be fair though, if the artists worked harder and made albums full of 'hits', then we'd all be inclined to buy the whole album, not just download the few good songs they do. Anyway I don't upload music, so hopefully I won't burn too badly.

Oh yeah Eric, bollocks is making music hard, the people who are successful at it have the talent or have half the stuff written for them, I don't think it's hard if your naturally good at it (at least not relative to most people's lives, you know 9-5 jobs etc). Besides, it's less money for them to waste on drugs and alcohol, so you could argue I (and everyone else) who downloads music was doing them a favour - anyway they're not gonna starve and they can make money from magazine covers and adverts. So I won't be losing sleep over dwnloading music, I can't find the sympathy for em' to be honest. Although yeah they still deserve their dough, and it can be hard for 'artists' to break through, so erm, yeah.

Hmm I think that was a rant.

[Eric 0]

Thanks Eric, now if only I could remember where that place was

As for all you thieves who download music, well your no better than scum, would you walk into a shop and steal a CD off the shelf? (and yes, I actually download music a fair bit, I'm just 'playing' with you) - still though you (and me) are scum, and should feel ashamed of ourselves. To be fair though, if the artists worked harder and made albums full of 'hits', then we'd all be inclined to buy the whole album, not just download the few good songs they do. Anyway I don't upload music, so hopefully I won't burn too badly.

Oh yeah Eric, bollocks is making music hard, the people who are successful at it have the talent or have half the stuff written for them, I don't think it's hard if your naturally good at it (at least not relative to most people's lives, you know 9-5 jobs etc). Besides, it's less money for them to waste on drugs and alcohol, so you could argue I (and everyone else) who downloads music was doing them a favour - anyway they're not gonna starve and they can make money from magazine covers and adverts. So I won't be losing sleep over dwnloading music, I can't find the sympathy for em' to be honest. Although yeah they still deserve their dough, and it can be hard for 'artists' to break through, so erm, yeah.

Hmm I think that was a rant.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

To an extent I agree...some musicians work harder than others...but still, I think it's equally hard. Sure, it takes talent to be talented, but it also takes a lot to be Britney Spears and lose 100 lbs before every tour...and honestly, if it's so hard to do, then why aren't me and you making millions of dollars being pop stars? Exactly.

I'm just saying d/l-ing sucks. If it didn't, it'd be legal.

[Rainmaster 7]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

To an extent I agree...some musicians work harder than others...but still, I think it's equally hard. Sure, it takes talent to be talented, but it also takes a lot to be Britney Spears and lose 100 lbs before every tour...and honestly, if it's so hard to do, then why aren't me and you making millions of dollars being pop stars? Exactly.

I'm just saying d/l-ing sucks. If it didn't, it'd be legal.

I don't know, all a question of talent, and I have none when it comes to music, so no doubt I couldn't do it. Then again I'm not sure Britney Spears has talent either, but she gets on just fine - maybe I should stop wearing underwear?

Not everything illegal sucks, I enjoy p**sing in the street.

[Eric 0]

I don't know, all a question of talent, and I have none when it comes to music, so no doubt I couldn't do it. Then again I'm not sure Britney Spears has talent either, but she gets on just fine - maybe I should stop wearing underwear?

Not everything illegal sucks, I enjoy p**sing in the street.

After Googling you, looks like you've been involved in some other illegal acts...:

• Child pornography
  
• Drug dealing
  
• Masturbating while driving
  
• Driving nude
  
• Fornication with F1 drivers, including but not limited to Sakon Yamamoto and Markus Winkelhock
  
• Saying free health care is a good thing
  
• Watching F1 on the Lord's Day
  
• Posting on an Internet forum (including but not limited to Total F1) while under the minimum age (thirteen (13) years (365 days) of age)
  

[dribbler 6]

After Googling you, looks like you've been involved in some other illegal acts...:

• Child pornography
  
• Drug dealing
  
• Masturbating while driving
  
• Driving nude
  
• Fornication with F1 drivers, including but not limited to Sakon Yamamoto and Markus Winkelhock
  
• Saying free health care is a good thing
  
• Watching F1 on the Lord's Day
  
• Posting on an Internet forum (including but not limited to Total F1) while under the minimum age (thirteen (13) years (365 days) of age)
  

I think i have done all of those, all at the same time. Actually, i don't think i have done the healthcare one.

[freaky2 1]

I think artists get payed a sum and then it's the discographics that collect the money from CD sellings, bands get the money from concerts (part of it). If you look at it in this way P2P programmes are good for the bands and artists because they're widely known and many people go to their concerts, but at the same time they must be hell for the discographics and that's why they're so strongly opposed, because discographics have more say in the music business than the artists (who usually are so drunk/high that they don't even give a damn anyway ).

Rant? Nah, a little bit too short

[Eric 0]

I think artists get payed a sum and then it's the discographics that collect the money from CD sellings, bands get the money from concerts (part of it). If you look at it in this way P2P programmes are good for the bands and artists because they're widely known and many people go to their concerts, but at the same time they must be hell for the discographics and that's why they're so strongly opposed, because discographics have more say in the music business than the artists (who usually are so drunk/high that they don't even give a damn anyway ).

Rant? Nah, a little bit too short

That's all I have to say.

[Yoda McFly 1]

How many of you actually buy the official music CDs?

<rant>

On the occasions when I download something, it's for one of two reasons:

• Get songs that *aren't* the singles, to see if the album is actually worth my 20 spacebucks. If they're worth it, I buy the album. If not, I delete 'em, because I need the HDD space.
  
• If the album is one I know I want, but it's out of print and I can't find it used, then I'll download it and hold onto it until I can buy it.
  

That said, I don't go in for "major label" music that much, any longer. As you pointed out, Eric, most musicians bust their asses ... But here's where we disagree. For the majority of acts that are on major labels, very little of that 20 spacebucks actually makes it to the artist.

And with the amount of ... for lack of a better word, manufactured bullspit ... that is shoveled out weekly by the "Record Industry" (so nice, they made an ASSociation of themselves ) ... Far too many extremely talented artists work their entire lives and never get the "big break," because they don't have the "right look" or the "right sound" or whatever tripe the sheeple want this week, while the talentless hacks thrive because they do have the "right-" whatever ... Or their life is enough of a train wreck to keep people interested.

Any more, I spend more time looking for and listening to indie/underground stuff. Hell, the last two albums I bought were the Henry Rollins-driven, semi-Black Flag album Rise Above (fundraiser for a good cause), and Reagan Youth's A Collection of Pop Classics (which I apparently got a bad pressing of... ). Been looking for both albums for a couple of years now.

So, long answer to a short question...

Some good stuff in there. And I know of another place on you that has some good stuff in it.

Me. I buy the CDs, then I upload the songs fromt he CD to my iTunes account and have it in two forms. CDs are better for long car rides because iPods run out of their charge quickly, and also I don't have an iPod adapter in my car. Also, an MP3 or MP4 cuts a lot out of the song to condense it, so there's a lot of little things you won't hear on an iPod that you will on a CD.

As for iTunes, I refuse to pay for any song with DRM; DRM infringes on my fair-use rights, so I exercise my right to not purchase it ...

Tangentially to that, and addressing your quality concerns (Eric, and others): I give you Vorbis and FLAC. Now, they won't play on yer iPod without heavy modifications (because Apple sees no reason to support freedom and openness), but there *are* players out there that support them. Both are lossless (FLAC stands for Free Lossless Audio Compression), and totally open. (Did you know that in order to legally use MP3, you need to pay licensing fees?) Admittedly, the hardware that can play them isn't up to the quality of the 'pod ... Yet. But it's improving, and with continued support, it will continue to improve.

</rant>

On re-reading this, the comment to Apple's support of openness is a bit snarky, but I stand by it.

Edit: Feh. Took nearly an hour to write this. Even made the correction directly above before hitting "post" ... Then, after posting, I found the typo.

Re-Edit: Gah! Found another one!

[pumpdoc 2]

Me, always. MP3 files are not of the same quality. Plus, it's all about the tactility and aesthetics of a collection.

Us slightly older ones will remeber the thrill of having to save our money in order to buy an album on vinyl or latterly an audio cassette. Because i would have to wait months before i could buy another, i would play that album to death and end up knowing it better than my mother. it's only then that you could truly know a piece of music, only then that you were qualified to make an in depth critical evaluation. Albums, grow with you, change shape and meaning. They have a flow, a pattern. Some songs have a flavour because you know what song is coming after. That, to me is what owning an album is all about.

These days, people upload, give it five seconds and cast it aside. It's indicative of our throw away society and the ghastly media machine that feeds it.

'Figures.

Ah vinyl, that warms my cackles. Put the album on make sure not a spec of dust or any other imperfection is on the disc, make sure the turntable speed is adjusted, gently drop the perfectly balanced tonearm on to it and enjoy. I was so anal.

Never have, never will download any music.

You are so right about music on good albums having a flow to it, back in the day the album told a story.

[BradSpeedMan 6]

The Verve, Oasis, Gorillaz, Feeder, Foo Fighters, Queens of The Stone Age, Red Hot Chillis, Snow Patrol, Hard-Fi, The Zutons, Linkin Park, The Killers, The Offspring, that's just some of the stuff I listen to.

Then there's the older stuff, Pink Floyd, Queen, Rush, The Eagles, Crowded House, R.E.M, Fleetwood Mac etc.

Excellent stuff!

good selection rainmaster

thats the good stuff I listen too....

[pabloh20 1]

Ah vinyl, that warms my cackles. Put the album on make sure not a spec of dust or any other imperfection is on the disc, make sure the turntable speed is adjusted, gently drop the perfectly balanced tonearm on to it and enjoy. I was so anal.

Never have, never will download any music.

You are so right about music on good albums having a flow to it, back in the day the album told a story.

By moving the pulley onto a different cog, I hope ?

[UrKo 0]

How many of you actually buy the official music CDs?

Last cd that i bought was way back...hmm 1999?? i think!

[pumpdoc 2]

By moving the pulley onto a different cog, I hope ?

No silly rabbit, it has a built in strobascope

[pabloh20 1]

No silly rabbit, it has a built in strobascope

My Dad still has his Rega Planar 3 turntable - need to remove the platter to get to the belt to change speeds. Those were the days!

[pumpdoc 2]

My Dad still has his Rega Planar 3 turntable - need to remove the platter to get to the belt to change speeds. Those were the days!

You know how hard it is to get a belt anymore, used to be a time before "superstores" that you could accually go to a proper stereo shop and get the bits you needed, now you have to resort to ebay.

[pabloh20 1]

You know how hard it is to get a belt anymore, used to be a time before "superstores" that you could accually go to a proper stereo shop and get the bits you needed, now you have to resort to ebay.

Yeah, sadly the proper hifi shop seems to be dying out a bit, or it seems to have done here in Liverpool. I thing these things are cyclic, though and I hope it starts to become a bit more popular again sometime soon.

[Max Mosley 2]

Edit: Feh. Took nearly an hour to write this. Even made the correction directly above before hitting "post" ... Then, after posting, I found the typo.

Yeah it can be addictive! Worst thing is, no one ever reads the really long and well thought out posts!

[Yoda McFly 1]

Yeah it can be addictive! Worst thing is, no one ever reads the really long and well thought out posts!

Unfortunately ... Oh, well.

[dribbler 6]

Ah vinyl, that warms my cackles. Put the album on make sure not a spec of dust or any other imperfection is on the disc, make sure the turntable speed is adjusted, gently drop the perfectly balanced tonearm on to it and enjoy. I was so anal.

Never have, never will download any music.

You are so right about music on good albums having a flow to it, back in the day the album told a story.

No silly rabbit, it has a built in strobascope

They give me a head fcuk!

[Rainmaster 7]

After Googling you, looks like you've been involved in some other illegal acts...:

• Child pornography
  
• Drug dealing
  
• Masturbating while driving
  
• Driving nude
  
• Fornication with F1 drivers, including but not limited to Sakon Yamamoto and Markus Winkelhock
  
• Saying free health care is a good thing
  
• Watching F1 on the Lord's Day
  
• Posting on an Internet forum (including but not limited to Total F1) while under the minimum age (thirteen (13) years (365 days) of age)
  

I take offence to that Eric, I never said that free health care is good. As for the rest, well yeah that sums up my average day.

[pumpdoc 2]

They give me a head fcuk!

[Eric 0]

So I got a new computer on Saturday, and it came with Yahoo! Music Jukebox...and I'm in love with life again.

All these free radio stations of all these songs I love all in one place. And there's two 1990s rock ones , along with many other good ones. It's awesome.

Just thought I'd say that.

[goferrarigo 0]

So I got a new computer on Saturday, and it came with Yahoo! Music Jukebox...and I'm in love with life again.

All these free radio stations of all these songs I love all in one place. And there's two 1990s rock ones , along with many other good ones. It's awesome.

Just thought I'd say that.

You mean to say some people actually like that spam these companies put on your system???

[Eric 0]

You mean to say some people actually like that spam these companies put on your system???

No, just some of it. I remove all the Windows s##t (Windows Messenger, Windows Media Player, etc) as I have alternatives that work better, but I keep most of the stuff it comes with like Yahoo! Music Jukebox, Roxio, McAfee, Microsoft Office, etc.

But I agree that most of the Windows products on there essentially act as viruses and just slow your computer down.